It comes in a "fresh-tasting minty spray"

[rothenbj]

NEW NICORETTE® QuickMist

Now a look at the ingredients-

Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray - Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) - (eMC)

Propylene glycol

Anhydrous ethanol
Trometamol
Poloxamer 407
Glycerol

Sodium hydrogen carbonate
Levomenthol
Mint flavour
Cooling flavour
Sucralose
Acesulfame potassium
Hydrochloric acid
Purified water

Emphasis mine.

 

[Boiler]

Hydrochloric acid?

Well, as long as the FDA approves

 

[MorpheusPA]

Hydrochloric acid?

Well, as long as the FDA approves

In their defense, HCl is often used to pH balance a basic solution toward neutral, just like NaOH (lye) is used to balance an acidic solution toward neutral.

Neither HCl nor NaOH are toxic. Neither are harmful unless concentrated to the point that the pH rises to damaging levels. Both are commonly used in tons of ingested and skin-applied items and are perfectly safe in proper proportion.

Plus you can't make soap without NaOH. Or, for that matter, really good crunchy pretzels.

 

[cabingal]

Uh-oh "fresh-tasting minty spray" sounds like something KIDS would like

 

[Boiler]

Plus you can't make soap without NaOH. Or, for that matter, really good crunchy pretzels.

Damn - not pretzels! Well, I figured it was something like that, but I know there ain't no hydrochloric acid in what I vape!

 

[MorpheusPA]

Damn - not pretzels! Well, I figured it was something like that, but I know there ain't no hydrochloric acid in what I vape!

They're probably pulling the pH closer to 7.0 (neutral, same as pure water). PG has a pH in the 9 range naturally. VG ranges from 6 to 8. Nicotine sits around 8 as well in most cases. All are weak bases.

Membrane absorption of nicotine is better at higher (above 7) pH levels and poorer in acidic solutions. I don't imagine they're sending the solution all that close to neutral or it wouldn't be effective.

 

[Katya]

NEW NICORETTE® QuickMist

Now a look at the ingredients-

Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray - Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) - (eMC)

Propylene glycol

Emphasis mine.

Oh, no! That stuff is in antifreeze!!!!

Somebody notify the FDA!

Hi, Roth!!! I didn't recognize you! New avatar!

 

[Katya]

Uh-oh "fresh-tasting minty spray" sounds like something KIDS would like

I know, right?

 

[Boiler]

PG has a pH in the 9 range naturally.

Hmm, good info. I hadn't read about this anywhere. Would the higher pH be a possible reason for the intolerance to PG that some people have?

 

[Rickajho]

Uh-oh "fresh-tasting minty spray" sounds like something KIDS would like

Apparently, only the older kids:

"Nicorette QuickMist is contraindicated in children under 12 years."

'Spose if they are at least 12 and a half then it would be ok.

 

[rothenbj]

Hi Katya, an ever changing avatar.


Anhydrous ethanol is deadly and used in gasoline.

 

[Petrodus]

Good "talking points" ...
If the FDA comes down on e-cigs with a heavy hand.

 

[rolygate]

......... Anhydrous ethanol is deadly and used in gasoline.

I often drink it. Makes all the difference to a vodka martini.

 

[Kurt]

Hmm, good info. I hadn't read about this anywhere. Would the higher pH be a possible reason for the intolerance to PG that some people have?

Not really. The negative effects of PG are mostly a chemical dehydration, sometimes (less often) an actual allergy (itching, rashes). The HCl and NaHCO3 are there to buffer at a particular pH, most likely to get an optimal mix of nicotine free-base form, and its salt form. Nic free-base is fast absorbing orally, but does not penetrate to the lungs well. Salt form is slower absorbing orally, but penetrates better to the lungs.

And while it is not common, some e-liquids are pH lowered with one non-toxic acid or another. The acid I have seen mainly used is citric, but HCl can also be used. The vast majority of e-liquids, however, use free-base form.

 

[MorpheusPA]

Hmm, good info. I hadn't read about this anywhere. Would the higher pH be a possible reason for the intolerance to PG that some people have?

I have no idea. I'm guessing it's a sensitivity like people have to chemicals regardless of pH.

9 really isn't all that high. It's comparable with sea water, and far less alkaline than simple milk of magnesia.

 

[Petrodus]

There's reasons why Blu e-cig only uses VG

 

[Boiler]

OK - thanks Kurt & Morpheus.

I had read on here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html That - "Because it [Pg] is made from non-organic sources (via synthetic processes) allergies are not believed possible."

It made wonder about alternative causes other than an allergy for those having problems with Pg. Then, hearing about the high pH level of Pg (x100 more alkaline than water) made it sound significant, to me anyway.

 

[Vocalek]

Headline reminds me of the time that my grandson who was about 3 or 4 at the time came over for a hug when I had a piece of White Ice Mint Nicorette gum in my mouth. He said, "Gee, Grandma, you smell minty fresh!"

 

[Rickajho]

OK - thanks Kurt & Morpheus.

I had read on here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html That - "Because it [Pg] is made from non-organic sources (via synthetic processes) allergies are not believed possible."

It made wonder about alternative causes other than an allergy for those having problems with Pg. Then, hearing about the high pH level of Pg (x100 more alkaline than water) made it sound significant, to me anyway.

Not true, according to my Allergist who handed me case studies regarding allergic reaction to PG used in anesthesia.

 

[Hulamoon]

Oh YUM! I've been looking for something with acesulfame potassium for the longest time and the tromatemel and anhydrous ethanol whatnot seals the deal. Uh where's the nicotine or did BT have something to say about BP trying to patent "tobacco" or "nicotine"?

NEW NICORETTE® QuickMist

Now a look at the ingredients-

Nicorette QuickMist 1mg/spray mouthspray - Summary of Product Characteristics (SPC) - (eMC)

Propylene glycol

Anhydrous ethanol
Trometamol
Poloxamer 407
Glycerol

Sodium hydrogen carbonate
Levomenthol
Mint flavour
Cooling flavour
Sucralose
Acesulfame potassium
Hydrochloric acid
Purified water

Emphasis mine.