Nicorette ads: Don't vape - quit for good (Jul 2014)
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That Nicorette Mist Inhaler is not FDA approved in the States, according to Kristin of CASAA.
It is, however, marketed in the UK.
I do not know which NRT product Kent C. was referring to, which seems to be FDA approved in the States.
It is, however, marketed in the UK.
I do not know which NRT product Kent C. was referring to, which seems to be FDA approved in the States.
I've heard these ads on the radio recently too and thought exactly the same thing. I find it amusing that the tobacco companies have now jumped on vaping with the recent acquisition of certain tobacco companies buying out vaping businesses . The Pharma's on the other hand have decided to continue to try to discredit the vaping community and their products. They're gonna need their patches to mop up the tears soon 
I am actually thrilled at this ad appearing! It's the first explicit admission (that I know of) by BP that ecigs are threatening their bottom line. And as was said earlier, it gets the word "vape" out to many who might not see it otherwise.
I believe in the U.S. that the FDA has approved NRT for children 12 yrs and up, and in fact that NRTs are handed out to children in schools. Also, on the non-nicotine front, Pfizer is conducting clinical trials on the use of Chantix by children as well. Info here: Smoking Cessation Study In Healthy Adolescent Smokers - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov
The hypocrisy of saving the chiiiiiildren from the evils of nicotine in ecigs while approving the nicotine in NRTs for 12-year-old children needs no comment...
I believe in the U.S. that the FDA has approved NRT for children 12 yrs and up, and in fact that NRTs are handed out to children in schools. Also, on the non-nicotine front, Pfizer is conducting clinical trials on the use of Chantix by children as well. Info here: Smoking Cessation Study In Healthy Adolescent Smokers - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov
The hypocrisy of saving the chiiiiiildren from the evils of nicotine in ecigs while approving the nicotine in NRTs for 12-year-old children needs no comment...
WHAT??!? I can't begin to express my horror at this development.
OMG!!!
They are feeding their mind-altering, potentially deadly drug to adolescents??????? From 12 years old???
Where the hell are the sceams of "save the children!!!" when real-life young people are really being put in danger? Tobacco control does not give a flying fig this time, do they?
This is too disgusting to contemplate.
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Well, if the unfortunate adolescents subjected to that mind-altering drug did not have those problems when they started, they will most definitely have them after they have been fed that horrible drug.
It is really too disgusting to contemplate.
And yeah, feeding nicotine in NRTs to children 12 years old while whining about e-cigs for those over 18 is real hypocrisy. After all, it is the same nicotine.
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I'm not sure I'd be happy to see BP and/or BT to be threatened at all.
They have billions and billions invested in their interests. But more importantly, they've had decades of experience with the influencing of politicians and people in places of power. They have established lines of communication with these people who seemingly await instructions on how to further their interests without any rational thought behind them.
What we know about vaping beyond any of the topics of discussion is that it is AT LEAST 95% healthier than smoking a combustible cigarrette.
If BT wasn't completely immersed in policy, ask yourself why CIGARRETES haven't been banned. We KNOW what the health consequences are of those things. We have decades and decades of empirical evidence, anectdotal evidence, death rates, secondary health issues, second-hand reprocussions, usage rates among children, effect they have on the unborn, etc. Hundreds of thousands of research studies involving thousands of the best minds available. They have proven, without any question, that not only are they highly dangerous and addictive, but they are one of the leading causes of death in the world and have been for decades. We aren't waiting for the studies to come in. We have them. Mountains of irrefutable evidence.
But...Are tobacco companies frightened in the least that their industry might face a ban or even increased regulation to the point of creating a dent in the bottom line? Nope. They aren't. They sit in safe position. They worry not about govenment obstacles. In fact, the only real threat to come along for these producers of one of the deadliest and protracted health epidemics the world has ever seen is the little ol' vaporizer. And the e-juice. Those things that together, represent at worst, a 95% reduction in the harm caused by the cigarette. This is where they face a threat. Not by the FDA. Not by the government. Not by the WHO or any other regulatory organization that is willing to sell their influence to a high bid.
So, while the anecdotal evidence suggests that BT/BP may feel threatened to the point that they have considered a low-level, regional campaign against vaping, I would prefer to really poke that bear after we have obtained a more solidified position from a scientific standpoint.
Not because we need it to know what is right. But because as the incumbant, the cigarrette (and their manufacturers) has the benefit of decades of astronomical profits and a clearly established channel to the legislative bodies that can and do fight for the contiuation of their industry completely unincumbered.
How is this fair, or even possible? It's a mystery to me. Or at least I wish it was.
They have billions and billions invested in their interests. But more importantly, they've had decades of experience with the influencing of politicians and people in places of power. They have established lines of communication with these people who seemingly await instructions on how to further their interests without any rational thought behind them.
What we know about vaping beyond any of the topics of discussion is that it is AT LEAST 95% healthier than smoking a combustible cigarrette.
If BT wasn't completely immersed in policy, ask yourself why CIGARRETES haven't been banned. We KNOW what the health consequences are of those things. We have decades and decades of empirical evidence, anectdotal evidence, death rates, secondary health issues, second-hand reprocussions, usage rates among children, effect they have on the unborn, etc. Hundreds of thousands of research studies involving thousands of the best minds available. They have proven, without any question, that not only are they highly dangerous and addictive, but they are one of the leading causes of death in the world and have been for decades. We aren't waiting for the studies to come in. We have them. Mountains of irrefutable evidence.
But...Are tobacco companies frightened in the least that their industry might face a ban or even increased regulation to the point of creating a dent in the bottom line? Nope. They aren't. They sit in safe position. They worry not about govenment obstacles. In fact, the only real threat to come along for these producers of one of the deadliest and protracted health epidemics the world has ever seen is the little ol' vaporizer. And the e-juice. Those things that together, represent at worst, a 95% reduction in the harm caused by the cigarette. This is where they face a threat. Not by the FDA. Not by the government. Not by the WHO or any other regulatory organization that is willing to sell their influence to a high bid.
So, while the anecdotal evidence suggests that BT/BP may feel threatened to the point that they have considered a low-level, regional campaign against vaping, I would prefer to really poke that bear after we have obtained a more solidified position from a scientific standpoint.
Not because we need it to know what is right. But because as the incumbant, the cigarrette (and their manufacturers) has the benefit of decades of astronomical profits and a clearly established channel to the legislative bodies that can and do fight for the contiuation of their industry completely unincumbered.
How is this fair, or even possible? It's a mystery to me. Or at least I wish it was.
Always going to call this nonsense out when it is posted. Sorry, but I disagree. As you are one putting forth claim of irrefutability, then I welcome you to cite your data. I'll even let you know that my first tactic will be to use same sources' information on eCigs to help show their credibility can be questioned when it comes to such data. My next tactic will be to deal squarely with the (so called) science, and IMO, will be rather easy to refute.
And I'm telling you that the science will be manipulated (already has) to establish that vaping is plausibly dangerous, and for sure carries with it a degree of harm. Vaping enthusiasts, of which I am one, want to put that in what we consider proper perspective, by comparing it to smoking. Yet, for some (I would say majority) that is not proper perspective. That's like saying bombing places is okay thing to do, cause at least you are not using nuclear bombs. Our bombs are 95% safer than nuclear bombs.
Smoking isn't banned for a bunch of reasons, but if it were based on harm alone, it still wouldn't be banned. Type of politicians that are in place is, IMO, the number one reason why it thus far hasn't been banned. Way too much of a cash cow to go in direction of banning when regulation helps steal funds from a business that can be stigmatized forever and a day.
Oh yeah. Let's just succumb to the pressure and wait for, say, another 40, 50 years. By that time, most of us here will be dead anyway.
Then after 40, 50, 60 years - or whenever the much-screamed-for "long-term studies" come in - our successors just may (!) be allowed to vape instead of smoking cigarettes. Of course, there are two tiny little problems with that kind of misguided hope:
1. The so-called "long-term studies" will never come in. As demanding them is just a ruse. As much a ruse as "protecting the chiiildren" by attempting to ban products for adults.
2. The scientific studies that prove that vaping is approx. 95% safer than smoking already exist. More than enough. And they are more than clear enough. Start reading here: Clinical Research: Electronic Cigarettes
Oh, and this here is completely accurate:
What precisely makes you think that - in 40, 50 years, when all of us here are dead anyway - those industries like Big Tobacco and Big Pharma (do not forget them, please) will be weaker than they are today? I strongly believe that the opposite will be true. Just look back in history. The absolute rule of Big Industry over mercenary politicians - and thus over most of us mere humans - started to form approx 100 years ago. Look at it now. You actually think it will be weaker in 50 years time? Dream on....
And before expecting the decline of Big Tobacco:
Goverment needs them. Government needs the sin taxes levelled on their products. Government needs the completely unearned MSA payments - so much actually that they have "mortgaged the house" in the expectation of a future unearned rain of money. See here http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eatened-electronic-cigarettes-jul-2014-a.html
Governments do not kill off such cash cows.
Sorry if I sound tough. Read what I have read, and you will know what I know.
The time is now. While we are alive.
Yeah, some old man in a story once said that he is happily planting a little apple tree for his descendants, even though he will never get to eat any of the apples. Not me. I want to eat those apples while I live.
Whoever suggested we wait 40 years?
My point was that we need to be prepared before we enter into a fight with an opposition that has 1000 times more money, influence and the infrastructure to make it all effective.
Jman8.
Are you actually arguing that stating that there is irrefutable eveidence that cigarretes are a dangerous health concern is nonsense? If that's the case, why the hell even bother with vaping?
Am I missing something here?
My point was that we need to be prepared before we enter into a fight with an opposition that has 1000 times more money, influence and the infrastructure to make it all effective.
Jman8.
Are you actually arguing that stating that there is irrefutable eveidence that cigarretes are a dangerous health concern is nonsense? If that's the case, why the hell even bother with vaping?
Am I missing something here?
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So if they were to look at banning smoking based on HARM ALONE, you're saying that they would determine that smoking wasn't harmful enough to ban? But Vaping is. To borrow a phrase from you, that's total nonsense.
If you're arguing that there are a myriad of reasons other than HARM why they haven't banned cigarrettes, I hate to tell you, but we're arguing the same point.
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Yeah, on Saint Neverever's Day (as we say in my mother tongue).
Like I said: I want to eat those apples now. While I am alive.
All of us will be long dead before anything happens (if at all) if we waste time on sitting on our little behinds, waiting, preparing - while letting our enemies ride all over us with tanks.
They also serve who only stand and wait? Forget it.
Those who must take action is US. And the time is NOW.
As to sitting and waiting for some good fairy to come along and do our bidding:
You do realize that snus (oral tobacco) was banned in the entire European Union (except Sweden) in 1992, right?
You do realize that the so-called Swedish Model has shown that Sweden has the lowest smoking prevalence and the lowest rate of smoking-related diseases in all of Europe, right?
You do realize that the data is there, for all to see, and often cited?
You do realize that 22 years could just count as one of the ANTZ much-screamed-for "long-term studies"?
And you also realize that the Tobacco Products Directive passed by the mercenary bureaucrats of the European Union in spring of 2014 still bans snus? In spite of all the evidence to the contrary? - While keeping tobacco cigarettes freely available on the market, of course. -
Forget it. Just forget it.
Your motives may be honest. May be. But you are speaking to people who know. Who have seen the studies, who have seen the facts. And who know that the time to act is now.
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Not allowing myself to be drawn into that second-hand smoke scare discussion. Jman8 started it. Let him finish it. Not my job.
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This is amazing.
I agree. I'm talking about near future. Holy crap.
You people are amazingly difficult to agree with.
I agree. I'm talking about near future. Holy crap.
You people are amazingly difficult to agree with.
Spend some time reading general threads here on ECF and you will know.
No offense intended. Your motives may be honest. But I have seen a lot of posters in this forum whose motives have been anything but honest.
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