it only costs $60 to test for D/AP

[Gauntlgrym]

wow, didn't realize it could be done so cheap.

why are ALL companies not doing it at that price? should be the standard!
$60 per flavor is nothing considering normal business startup costs. hell, putting a nice tv in a new B&M costs more than testing 10 flavors.

example: terponix.com

 

[Nanny22]

Great info, Gauntlgrym. Can ANYONE send in ANY eliquid in for testing?

 

[ibndevilish]

Wow $80.00 for both test. Wonder what the excuse is why many companies don't have it tested. Every place I have read or been told stated way more than that. Hmm makes you wonder on some of these companies. I'm glad I make my own juice and know what is in it for sure.

 

[retired1]

Technically, you would have to do it for every single iteration that you create. Let's say you carry 50 different flavors at 4 different nicotine strengths and a non-nicotine version. You would have to test each and every one. Not so cheap now, is it?

Yes, all companies should be testing. But it's not as cheap as many would have us believe.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Technically, you would have to do it for every single iteration that you create. Let's say you carry 50 different flavors at 4 different nicotine strengths and a non-nicotine version. You would have to test each and every one. Not so cheap now, is it?

Yes, all companies should be testing. But it's not as cheap as many would have us believe.

first off, most new companies don't start off with a whopping 50 flavors, and most eliquid companies don't even HAVE 50 flavors. (keep in mind i said most not all)
second, you don't need to test every nic strengh. nic has nothing to do with D/AP

$600 bucks to test 10 flavors is cheap. if you can't afford that, then maybe you shouldn't be starting up a company in the first place.
lets just put it this way. it costs between $116,000-263,000 to open a subway sandwich place. so you want to tell me a vendor can't spend $600-$1,200 (on average) to test their line, and start the business?

@Nanny22 yes, i would think you could send in for tests if you want. call them

 

[retired1]

Again, you need to test each and every batch. It's not just 10 flavors. It's EVERY iteration of that flavor.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Again, you need to test each and every batch. It's not just 10 flavors. It's EVERY iteration of that flavor.

why do you need to test every batch?
you make a recipe that consists of A+B+C, then test that recipe to make sure it's D/AP free. if it is, then great keep making it. D/AP will not change on the next batch, as long as you follow the recipe 100%.

 

[ibndevilish]

Technically, you would have to do it for every single iteration that you create. Let's say you carry 50 different flavors at 4 different nicotine strengths and a non-nicotine version. You would have to test each and every one. Not so cheap now, is it?

Yes, all companies should be testing. But it's not as cheap as many would have us believe.

I agree in away. They could however test so many flavors a month until all of what they make are tested. I have a semi local vape shop who make juice and I did ask them if the flavors were tested and the reply back is it's expensive but yet every month they come out with new flavors, why make new flavors when you don't even care what is in the first ones. If they would quit making new ones and test the old that would be better in my opinion. So I won't buy any of them.

 

[retired1]

why do you need to test every batch?
you make a recipe that consists of A+B+C, then test that recipe to make sure it's D/AP free. if it is, then great keep making it. D/AP will not change on the next batch, as long as you follow the recipe 100%.

Because each strength is going to have minor changes due to the amount of nicotine in the juice. If you want consistency in your products, one size does not fit all.

 

[93gc40]

Vendor offers 1 flavor of juice in 3 flavor levels with 3 PG/VG ratios and 3 nic levels. That's 1x3x3x3, thats 27 tests for just 1 flavor. Each variation of a product is a NEW product and must be tested individually.. When it comes to HANDCRAFTED stuff the Testing can be required for each and every new batch of product, Because HANDCRAFTING, tends to lead to some variation in the product itself from batch to batch.

OH and when that $60 test become REQUIRED. It will not remain a $60 test, Not enough zeros.

Vendors should take care to use known safe ingredients, to make juice. Users should take care to KNOW those flavors that have potential for badness, and take care to limit exposure. If PEOPLE did that testing of Ejuice would be a MOOT POINT.

 

[kkiet]

There is too much cost involved, if the vendors did this the prices we pay would also increase. Just use a reputable company.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Because each strength is going to have minor changes due to the amount of nicotine in the juice. If you want consistency in your products, one size does not fit all.

the nic changes should not effect D/AP levels.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

Vendor offers 1 flavor of juice in 3 flavor levels with 3 PG/VG ratios and 3 nic levels. That's 1x3x3x3, thats 27 tests for just 1 flavor. Each variation of a product is a NEW product and must be tested individually..

vendors don't NEED to do different flavor levels or pg/vg levels. in fact most don't. look a giant vapes/vaporshark/eliquids.com, etc. none of the liquids they sell offer flavor shots, or pg/vg levels.
if you can't afford to test the different levels, then don't do it.

When it comes to HANDCRAFTED stuff the Testing can be required for each and every new batch of product, Because HANDCRAFTING, tends to lead to some variation in the product itself from batch to batch.

first off, you can still be accurate in handcrafting.
second, i doubt anyone is going to loose it over a minor variance. for example, you advertise your eliquid has 0ug Diacetyl and 20ug AP. but occasionally you liquid might have 22ug of AP. big deal.

you think every burger McDonalds makes has the 100% exact amount of calories they say they have?

 

[retired1]

No, but it WILL affect the taste and therefore could affect the amount of flavoring you use.

Any change in a recipe would necessitate a test, for each and every iteration made. Looking at it from a simplistic view is not how it works in the lab.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

There is too much cost involved, if the vendors did this the prices we pay would also increase.

charging $22 for something that cost $2-3 to make is not enough of a markup huh?

Just use a reputable company.

as we have seen with the vaporshark testing. even companies you thought were reputable might not be.

 

[kkiet]

charging $22 for something that cost $2-3 to make is not enough of a markup huh?



as we have seen with the vaporshark testing. even companies you thought were reputable might not be.

You know they would use that as an excuse.

 

[Gauntlgrym]

No, but it WILL affect the taste and therefore could affect the amount of flavoring you use.

Any change in a recipe would necessitate a test, for each and every iteration made. Looking at it from a simplistic view is not how it works in the lab.

the simplistic view is make what you can afford for the safety of the consumer!
if you can only afford to fully test one flavor, then fine. only release 1 flavor. make some money from that flavor, then release more.
one hit wonder only started with one flavor, and cyclops vapor only started with 2. now i'm not saying they test, just that you can start with less flavors, and still make it big.

bottom line, it should be required. if you can't afford to test it, don't make it.

 

[93gc40]

the simplistic view is make what you can afford for the safety of the consumer!
if you can only afford to fully test one flavor, then fine. only release 1 flavor. make some money from that flavor, then release more.
one hit wonder only started with one flavor, and cyclops vapor only started with 2. now i'm not saying they test, just that you can start with less flavors, and still make it big.

bottom line, it should be required. if you can't afford to test it, don't make it.

A REQUIRED test sound like Government involvement.. Government is incapable of a LOGICAL testing regime. Heck they consider bottle water as TOXIC waste, once the caps is opened. You get them involve that testing for every flavor also adds testing for every flavor and every SIZE of that flavor being testes individually. After all if there is a little in 1 once of something there must be alot in 1 gallon, therefore they must be tested individually. Besides the Vendor might have done it different this time. So that will require more testing. And so on and so on and so on.

Your thinking is WHY Healthcare and education COST what they do and give such poor results.

 

[skoony]

If and when something is found that actually is harming vapers then it
will be removed. The government does not need deeming regulations
to protect the American consumer from dangerous products.
There is absolutely no need for testing if one is using the proper
products as they are already made according to strict standards
as per government regulations already in place.
Edit: How much do you think that $23.00 bottle of juice that only
costs 2 to 3 dollars to make according to you will cost after testing?
What about company's like Mount Baker?

Regards
Mike

 

[Suryia]

I do not see any excuses for why companies cannot test their juices. Pg/vg ratios and nicotine strength do not affect diacetyl, or else Dr. Faranikos (don't know exact spelling) would have stated so up front. The thing they are testing is the combination of flavorings. Also, there is really no point to iterative testing. Going back to the McDonalds example, it is not like they test every new batch of burgers they create for caloric count and nutrional values. No flavoring company is going to create one of their concentrates with X amount of diacetyl/AP one month and then change the recipe next month, so the numbers should stay somewhat stable.