:) Who sells up to quarter per ml high quality ejuices ?

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That's great and I totally understand you. Wouldn't you like however to have the option ? I vape 5 ml of 24 nic per day plus my wife's whatever. Do you think it makes sense to charge me the same per ml as someone who buys a sampler? How about those who ran into hardship and cannot afford it? Should they just suffer and get sick on Chinese made crap because they cannot pay premium? And lets say one vendor came with a great efficient way to make an amazing ejuice, should we dismiss him and his hard work because he sells in bulk ?(typed on my phone, please excuse any typos I'll correct later)

I don't mind paying premium prices on juice I really enjoy. I refuse to 'nickle and dime' my enjoyment with vaping. And with what I am saving by not buying analogs, I am still way ahead.
 

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cost per ML is just that....nothing more nothing less ....when we smoked we could buy name OR generic smokes based on what we could afford...if you bought in bulk (cartons VS packs) you could save a bit more. I think it could be possible for a SMALL decease per ML to sell in say a 2 oz bottle vs a bunch of 15ML bottles due to the deceased packaging costs (personally I prefer a variety of flavors so I would not buy this way for fear of getting sick of a flavor before running out....but many people vape only 1 juice)...the rest of the costs remain static. If someone is really facing financial hardships the option to DIY is always available sort of like the option to RYO was available to smokers facing the same financial hardships
 

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That's great and I totally understand you. Wouldn't you like however to have the option ? I vape 5 ml of 24 nic per day plus my wife's whatever. Do you think it makes sense to charge me the same per ml as someone who buys a sampler? How about those who ran into hardship and cannot afford it? Should they just suffer and get sick on Chinese made crap because they cannot pay premium? And lets say one vendor came with a great efficient way to make an amazing ejuice, should we dismiss him and his hard work because he sells in bulk ?(typed on my phone, please excuse any typos I'll correct later)


Hell's Bells ! ! ! ! I wish I could understand you. Do you over-analyze everything?

I do enjoy some of the cheaper juices, because I choose to. I purchase samples and I purchase the bigger bottles, because I choose to. I shop at WalMart and buy the Chinese made crap, because I choose to. Life is all about choices.

Sometimes... when you hold out for everything, you walk away with nothing.
 

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That's great and I totally understand you. Wouldn't you like however to have the option ? I vape 5 ml of 24 nic per day plus my wife's whatever. Do you think it makes sense to charge me the same per ml as someone who buys a sampler? How about those who ran into hardship and cannot afford it? Should they just suffer and get sick on Chinese made crap because they cannot pay premium? And lets say one vendor came with a great efficient way to make an amazing ejuice, should we dismiss him and his hard work because he sells in bulk ?(typed on my phone, please excuse any typos I'll correct later)

You're free to buy the juice you choose to buy and spend what you want to spend. I don't think anyone is specifically criticizing you for wanting to save a little bit of money. As it's been said over and over, the majority of the posts were with your expectations from cheaper vendors, more specifically expected price per ML of e-liquid and what seems to be a failure to understand the cost of doing business.

Short of buying a factory-style setup (building, machines, having outside inspections for cleanliness) and investing a large sum of money to automate bottling internally, vendors aren't going to see a large cost reduction in the cost of bottling. I know quite a few third-party bottlers that will bottle any amount any vendor comes to them with, but they charge per bottle which means the cost to produce the liquid pretty much remains the same, barring a few pennies. The pennies they save won't necessarily be passed down in the form of a discount to you though. Chances are high they'll just use those to recoup costs elsewhere in the process.


That said, if you're vaping ~35ml a week and your wife is at or around the same, DIY is going to be the cheaper route. It's up to you to decide whether or not that's where you want to go with vaping, but that is the single cheapest method but it comes with a larger upfront cost until you build your supplies up a bit.

As far as China, a number of flavors come out of China and *many* members here like them just fine. Chinese flavors are not where they used to be and most Chinese companies have labs that would blow most of the US companies out of the water simply because they are very much ahead of us in technology (after all, that's where electronic cigarettes came from in the first place - it wasn't a US design). You're chances of getting sick are about as high as they are for most US vendors.
 

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This is starting to remind me of the person who only showed up on ECF wanting to beg for free stuff because he said he couldn't afford to vape. Then he developed a pissy attitude about why he couldn't trade his sob story for free stuff. Then he "moved on."

You can have the financial chip on your should all you want. It's not going to change the industry or it's pricing structure. DIY or deal with it.

This thread do seem to be doing a spiral nose dive. Just sayin...
 
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Nude Nic gives the option for partial DIY (just adding flavor), which is close enough. If I don't have to mix the nic, or the pg/vg, and just add the flavor - I hardly consider it DIY.
Mt. Baker offers the same options as well.
The others are Killer, ECB and e-liq.
BTW this is thread is turning into troll central, where are the moderators?
 
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Update about lab testing and other stuff:
Nude Nicotine checks with GCMS - which is as strict as you can get in your testing - it checks on molecular level (I used to work on GCMS way back). their site is back on now and I will try them.
Mt Baker is just a leap of faith - they are in the open, everything is registered, owner and all. so I choose to trust them. Their partial DIY (PDIY?) costs twice as much as Nude nic, and they offer only 230 ml base with minimal info (US sourced); so nude nic takes on that.
Killer eJuice - I was not sure he will customize but I PM'd him with the purchase order and he did (replied immediately ). haven't tried it yet - but my friends here (yes they are) rave about the tobacco cherry wood and I look forward to trying it.
ECB - nothing was vapable for me other than strawberry shortcake (even that - barely). I tried five (100% VG) flavors.
Wizard labs does not offer partial DIY since its either PG or VG nic solution, and you have to mix the ratio yourself - hence it is not an option relevant to this thread.

One criteria I did not mention - Mt Baker is a great place to buy equipment. a Kanger eVOD costs $4.50 (best clearo IMO if modded), they have Kanthal and silica wicks in stock now.
ECB is also a good place for equipment - perhaps the best as its the most informative site I have ever seen (for example I needed cartos for G6, the site dissuaded me from getting a dual coil which would have killed the battery); their prices are very low and large stock.

........'s blog posted that VaporDNA is selling 1-X10ml sample boxes for $25 - (25 cent per ml) on sale
 
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Common ... its all over your profile. just admit that you love mt. Baker just like me. no shame in it!
if the OP wants to vape "cheap" juice, let him. who cares. plenty of people like cheap vendors.

OP: i'm not sure if you'll find exactly what fits your criteria, but i hope you do, and enjoy your vape :)
 

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List :
Mt Baker
Killer ejuice
Lucky7
Nude Nic
e-liq
ECB

The ones I know are good:
Mt. Baker (well the elephant in the room - we love to hate them but they are just good)
Nude Nicotine (seems great, natural extracts and GCMS lab tests - Partial DIY)
Killer eJuice - Also lab tested and quality extracts

So you've seen their lab? What method do they use for their extracts? Or rather do you know where they're bought?
 

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Nude Nic - Ill bet on it. based on my PMs with them seems they are actually testing with GCMS. about the extracts - I just relied on their site description - haven't received it yet.
Killer- I went with forum vets recommendation, haven't received it yet (coming tomorrow) and no idea about the lab testing - that's what he says.
Anyway either way they fit the criteria - Made in USA and under 50 cents per ml. (we removed lab testing anyway).
Extracts - I don't care.
MBaker - you tell me ;)
So you've seen their lab? What method do they use for their extracts? Or rather do you know where they're bought?

Edit: I should have written "the ones I THINK are good" rather than "the ones I know are good"
 
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One criteria I did not mention - Mt Baker is a great place to buy equipment. a Kanger eVOD costs $4.50 (best clearo IMO if modded), they have Kanthal and silica wicks in stock now.
ECB is also a good place for equipment - perhaps the best as its the most informative site I have ever seen (for example I needed cartos for G6, the site dissuaded me from getting a dual coil which would have killed the battery); their prices are very low and large stock.

........'s blog posted that VaporDNA is selling 1-X10ml sample boxes for $25 - (25 cent per ml) on sale

Since you mentioned Kanthal, you may want to go through eBay. Find Temco Industrial Supply - Kanthal runs $5-$8 per 100 feet w/ free shipping. Probably one of the cheapest sources you'll find and it comes on a nice spool. The 32g is the cheapest, with 28g running around $8.

As an example, this 28g from Temco:

Kanthal A1 Wire 28 Gauge 100 ft 0 61oz Resistance Resistor AWG A 1 | eBay
 

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thanks; I think its the same seller also on Amazon:
Amazon.com: Kanthal Wire 28 Gauge - 100 FT 0.61 oz Series A-1 Resistance AWG: Everything Else

(same for 32 I think). Silica seems to be an expense as well.

Indeed it is :). Silica is pretty much expensive everyone, in terms of how much you get for what you pay. If you can find a dealer that isn't specifically targeting the vaping industry, you may be able to find it a bit cheaper since most dealer raise their pricing. I moved to cotton because of that and never looked back, though some do have issues with cotton (much like how some have issues with PG), so it's not for everyone.
 
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