:) Who sells up to quarter per ml high quality ejuices ?

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I have 2 Mt. Baker in my rotation (East Coast tobacco and USA), and I did not like ECBlends (although some here love them) nor some of MBV. Killer ejuice - I ordered and its on its way, it seems to hit all the points.
The point of the thread was to find more vendors YOU LIKE, not to tell me what I should like...
I really do not understand why everyone is so upset about it.

I'm not upset, it's e-liquid. There's far greater things to worry about in the world today than the price on a bottle of e-liquid. If it sounds good, I'll try it. If I like it, I'll buy more of it. If I don't I won't. That keeps things simple.

The point being made is that you have high expectations for a budget. That's like going to McDonalds and expecting gourmet food to come through the drive through. I don't mean to be rude nor do I think you're lesser of a person for making a request, but the expectations are a little high for what you want. The posts I've made are to give you an idea of what costs a business incurs, which validates their prices. Pricing isn't something you just pull out of thing air and those that do tend to fail, or get slapped with reality really quick.

Is it wrong to have a budget? No, not at all. Most everyone has one, I do too. That said, however, I'd rather invest in quality. The majority of the cheaper brands *are* going to use FlavorWest because they're cheap flavors. I would make an educated guess and say that ECBlends, like MBV, also uses FW due to the flavor similarities. So if that holds true MBV's Flavor X is most likely going to be close to or the same as ECBlends Flavor X with the same name (and yes, I've ordered from both).

I don't expect you to pay $1/ML, just be reasonable. That's all. If you don't want to pay high prices, DIY is the way to go, seriously. The costs are higher upfront, but cheaper, much cheaper, overall.
 

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I have 2 Mt. Baker in my rotation (East Coast Tobacco and USA), and I did not like ECBlends (although some here love them) nor some of MBV. Killer eJuice - I ordered and its on its way, it seems to hit all the points.
The point of the thread was to find more vendors YOU LIKE, not to tell me what I should like...
I really do not understand why everyone is so upset about it.


Because your collective response to those of us who did not produce a "25 cents or less per ml" vendor was with venom. And then you "triumphantly" list vendors that DO meet your needs, as if we were "lying" to you and vendor "shills". I will say it again: Sorry, I (and you were, indeed, asking for personal opinions) do not like those vendors' offerings at all. I wish (oh, how I wish) my palate could enjoy such inexpensive liquids (even my DIY unflavored and simple single flavors are unvapeable). But alas, poor me must be content paying a premium for what tantalizes my taste buds.

And yes, I vape almost exclusively Alien Vision's Boba's Bounty (I know, it's SO three years ago). But it's what satisfies me, and not much else tickles my fancy. Again, I get it. I lose, you win in your twisted game.
 

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Wizard Lab (FDA reg. facility) sells (RETAIL) 24mg/ml nic solution in PG or VG for 5 cents per ml. I do not know how much it costs to make flavoring, and it varies anyway.

You'll run out of 24mg/ml faster than you will 100mg/ml and most vendors are going to be using 100mg/ml, unless they themselves have access to 1000mg/ml which they can cut down (MyFreedomSmokes does as they even sell it in that concentration IIRC).

Just as an example, I vape 12mg/ml. So making a 15ml bottle, I'd use 5ml of 24mg/ml versus 1.2ml of 100mg/ml, which is 2.3x more, so the cost savings simply isn't there. That's $0.115 cents per 15ml bottle, w/o the cost of shipping. Add in shipping and the cost goes up. The cost for 100mg/ml is ~$0.14/ml for 100mg/ml with shipping included.

That said, WizardLabs is a great place to get smaller DIY flavors to test. I use them quite often.
 

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Check Mt. Baker Spinfuel awards.
when I was new I tried Mt Baker....and then I let them steep for a month, shaking weekly and tried them again...and then I PIF'ed them to others who may find them enjoyable along with many other brands I tried....nothing foul about them....just not to my liking (I tried 10 of them including some that had awards...if I liked candy flavorings I may have liked them more) None of the cheap brands hit my tastes like Nude Nicotine/ Halo/ 5 Pawns/ Alice in Vapeland/ Nicoticket do and I am willing to pay the higher cost to buy them.
 
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Re: Traceable owner: I was able to trace most, IF they are registered in the US, and you have the real company name you can find out (phone company, IPO scouts, Whois )
I removed the lab tested part, mistake on my part.
you said 25 cents is nearly impossible - so I raised it to 50 cents.
Regarding the source of the nic - its really the only thing that might push me to DIY, but the ones I mentioned say their nic is US sourced, so I believe them.
Is this still such a challenge? what would be Your affordability criteria?

Those are some pretty steep demands!

Best of luck, but you're never gonna find a Ferrari for the price of a Ford Focus.
 

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What's your problem? I asked a question, and a bunch of you are attacking me on a personal level for asking it. I essentially asked whether you know budget vendors that meet a certain criteria. some people answered that my criteria should change which I did, some, and that includes you, seem to have gotten upset over it.
BTW - following your post - I checked Bobas and they do sell 100ml for $52 (?) which is 52 cents per ml. I checked Alien Visions and they are registered in Texas, Whois points to someone in CA - which is great. So again what your problem? you have the same criteria, but think the mob here is right to hang me over the same? My initial response was to respond in anger which I regret, I herby apologize and have already deleted those responses.


Because your collective response to those of us who did not produce a "25 cents or less per ml" vendor was with venom. And then you "triumphantly" list vendors that DO meet your needs, as if we were "lying" to you and vendor "shills". I will say it again: Sorry, I (and you were, indeed, asking for personal opinions) do not like those vendors' offerings at all. I wish (oh, how I wish) my palate could enjoy such inexpensive liquids (even my DIY unflavored and simple single flavors are unvapeable). But alas, poor me must be content paying a premium for what tantalizes my taste buds.

And yes, I vape almost exclusively Alien Vision's Boba's Bounty (I know, it's SO three years ago). But it's what satisfies me, and not much else tickles my fancy. Again, I get it. I lose, you win in your twisted game.
 

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I checked MrEliquid (I did not know about them, been vaping only a few months); I saw they do offer 40 cents per ml if you buy in bulk. US made, US sourced; ty I will try them.
This did spin out a bit...
I don't like MBV or ECBlends.
I do like a couple I've had from MrELiquid, so I'll throw their name out there.
It's the cheapest juice I still buy, now that my ADV is DIY...about $0.40/ml in the larger volumes.
 

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I love the Halo Tribeca, and would pay the premium for it (BTW the only one out of the sampler box that's an ADV for me), but I have PG allergy.
Aiv - I got some weird stuff when I ran a background check a while ago. There doesn't seem to be ab actual company named "Alice in Vaper Land"; their public records point to some design company; I am probably wrong but that's what comes up.
Nude nic - seems premium and fits the bill; ty, I will definitely try them out.
Nicoticket I saw 44 -56 cents per ml (50ml bottle, 30 ml is also around 50 cents per ml - is it sale?); so they are reasonable as well. I haven't tried them yet.
if not on sale
Aiv comes in at 53 cents per ML
Nude Nicotine at 32 cents per ML
Nickoticket 63 cents per ML
5 Pawns 91 cents per ML
halo 67 cents per ML
If you watch for sales the cost of each goes down and MOST fall below your 50 cent price (except 5 pawns)
 

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About MT Baker – on one hand, they have the nastiest ejuice ever made (not counting intentional hazards :)) - which is their American tobacco (even after having steeped it open for a month ... still a tar like bio-chem weapon. last night I let my friends vape it as a joke - they chocked :)), but then again MBV also produced East Coast Tobacco which is my ADV and has won a Spinfuel award; its simply wonderful (as good as Tribeca). so its hit or miss I guess.
when I was new I tried Mt Baker....and then I let them steep for a month, shaking weekly and tried them again...and then I PIF'ed them to others who may find them enjoyable along with many other brands I tried....nothing foul about them....just not to my liking (I tried 10 of them including some that had awards...if I liked candy flavorings I may have liked them more) None of the cheap brands hit my tastes like Nude Nicotine/ Halo/ 5 Pawns/ Alice in Vapeland/ Nicoticket do and I am willing to pay the higher cost to buy them.
 

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I love the Halo Tribeca, and would pay the premium for it (BTW the only one out of the sampler box that's an ADV for me), but I have PG allergy.
Aiv - I got some weird stuff when I ran a background check a while ago. There doesn't seem to be ab actual company named "Alice in Vaper Land"; their public records point to some design company; I am probably wrong but that's what comes up.
Nude nic - seems premium and fits the bill; ty, I will definitely try them out.
Nicoticket I saw 44 -56 cents per ml (50ml bottle, 30 ml is also around 50 cents per ml - is it sale?); so they are reasonable as well. I haven't tried them yet.
Nickoticket Maybe on sale as I checked last purchase records

Alice in Vapeland ...not Alice in vapor land, if you check again you will find a traceable owners named John Jah L Flynn and Nicole Li....I tend to research my companies as well :)
I tend to dislike high VG blends.....terrible film left in my mouth and throat and leaves my lungs feeling heavy so I prefer 80%PG20%VG blends
 
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Yes I absolutely agree.
I removed the lab testing part.
About B&M - I tried quite a few, and even found an affordable one nearby but they don't customize PG/VG (I have PG sensitivity which sucks; max PG for me is 20% -30%, over that I choke).
About the trial and error - again I absolutely agree with you - Its not fair to just calculate the final cost, when so much can go into R&D, and the cost of the ingredients should not be the main factor in the price - its like appraising a Picasso by calculating the cost of canvas and paint, or a better analogy - a good chefs cooking.
My main intention was to list the Taco-Bells, the KFCs ... good, safe and cheap that go for low margins on high volume - we need those as well.

you had me up until Lab Tested. Doesn't lab testing cost money?
Also, you have to take into account that people are CONSTANTLY trying to clone/copy juices or gear right out of the gate. I think a lot of the time, people aren't trying to sell recipes or sell it themselves, but still-- if a good copy recipe gets out, it will cut into business for people who's ADV is that flavor.

A lot of money goes into not just the making of that one particular juice, but also continually innovating and trying to come up with the next great vape. So you're ultimately also paying for the failures that a company has tried to perfect and decided to scrap.

I haven't found one that fits all of you that the Boyfriend (who's the vaper in the house) considers an ADV for less than 51 cents per mL.

On the flip side-- yes, it's annoying to have to try a lot of different juices until you find a solid rotation. Buy samples, do your research, make friends in the vape community, try to find a good B&M to taste different flavors in store, and swap/PIF non-winners often.
 

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About MT Baker – on one hand, they have the nastiest ejuice ever made (not counting intentional hazards :)) - which is their American tobacco (even after having steeped it open for a month ... still a tar like bio-chem weapon. last night I let my friends vape it as a joke - they chocked :)), but then again MBV also produced East Coast Tobacco which is my ADV and has won a Spinfuel award; its simply wonderful (as good as Tribeca). so its hit or miss I guess.

I did not get any FOUL e-juices from them...just ones that were simple one note flavors not to my liking.....and that seemed to be the same from all the cheap e-juices I tried.....in all honesty I also bought highly renowned more expensive juices from companies like Heather's Heavenly Vapes (the film they caused....arrrghhh...but I did find I DO NOT LIKE 100%VG) others swear by her vapes so....different strokes...all were PIF'ed
 
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