Its legal to smoke an electronic cigarette on NO SMOKING PREMISE'S

[Mr.Darcy]

i liked roy castle.

anyway,if it hadnt been his wife,it would have been someone else campaigning against smoking.

and lets face it,all we should be focusing on right now is the prospect of esmoking being banned.

lets get real here-the smoking ban is here,and its here to stay,no matter who says what after the effect.
if people dont accept that,then theyre kidding themselves.a new government isnt going to change a thing.

its not going to be reversed.end of story.

as for esmoking,well theres the fact that we are handling poison,using unregulated and untaxed devices and liquid,inhaling substances that we dont even know the long term effects of...and im afraid the Gov arent going to allow THAT to continue for long!certainly not in its present form.

its going to be taxed heavily,at the very least.
probably ecig use as we know it curtailed,or banned entirely.
thats the reality of the situation.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Well, I don't know Mr D. It isn't very likely to be repealed, but it's at least possible. This is prohibition, and it's hurting business (most obviously the licensed trade). More and more people are getting their cigarettes and booze on the black market and that's got to be hurting the national coffers. Sooner or later somebody will notice this and offer the obvious solution, some form of relaxation of the ban.

Unfortunately, our cabbages wouldn't notice if they were on fire, so it will have to wait a change of government (probably a change of political class all through the western world).

 

[Nazareth]

I gotta agree with that Darcy- those are hte cold hard facts, and I'm a little more than a little nervous abotu htis deal with NJoy and Target Stores carrying them as it will force the issue before congress, and as you say, "we are handling poison,using unregulated and untaxed devices and liquid,inhaling substances that we dont even know the long term effects of" Those are BIg BIG NO NO's! when it coems to the government and the public- this doesn't bode well I'm afraid.

 

[TropicalBob]

I'm with Darcy, too, obviously.

We can wear tie-dye T-shirts, raise our clenched fists against the heavens, cry like a baby .. and old times aren't coming back. Tobacco bans will spread, not be relaxed. And proponents of the bans have not only a majority behind them, but real science (not junk) as well. Whatever your pleasure today, tomorrow will only get worse if you want to suck smoke into your lungs and exhale it in public.

Sure we all have fond memories of smoking anywhere. Wasn't that great? Freedom! I smoked during one hospital stay, in a shared room with one post-op, another man dying of cancer, another with emphysema. I could smoke, and did smoke for two days in that room. I remember smoking as my hair was being cut, too. The barber chairs had ashtrays built-in. Who cared if the non-smoking barber inhaled smoke all day?

Remember smoking during movies? The projector beam cut through a blue haze of smoke. How about on airplanes? Couldn't wait for that "bing" that signaled time to light up, even though the poor stewardesses had to serve us through the clouds of smoke. And I remember a receptionist at my newspaper who was so allergic to smoke that she wore a mask at her desk, where she greeted people stepping off the third floor elevator to the editorial department. Heck, everyone knows reporters smoke. Meeting deadlines is nerve-wracking business. Who would tell us NOT to smoke? I chain-smoked as I typed my reports.

Remember bumping someone, probably a child, with your lit cigarette? Burning them. Them crying. Remember just flipping the butts anywhere, on streets where they washed into the ocean, to be swallowed by fish who would then die? Remember every intersection's curbs littered with mounds of butts? Remember horrendous forest fires that began with a carelessly tossed cigarette ....? I do. I watched houses burn. Ever written a story about a person who burned to death in bed because they fell asleep smoking? I have. As usual, I wrote it with a lit cigarette in the ashtray next to my typewriter.

Remember bowling alleys with smoke so thick that your eyes watered? So? You smoked too! Bowling and smoking and drinking a Bud just go together, right. Oh boy, did I love cigarettes. For 50 years.

Anyone think we're going back to that? Anyone think smoking bans are unfair payback for years of smokers abusing non-smokers and never even asking the clear majority, "Mind if I smoke?" Nah, we smokers just smoked. Because we could. And now we can't. Do we expect anyone's pity for our plight?

Us versus them for the "right to smoke" is over. We lost. Now we must work for legal alternatives to smoking cigarettes. That's a cause we can promote, with the help of manufacturers. That cause has a better chance of success than turning back the clock to the good old smoking days. Good only for whom?

 

[Mr.Darcy]

well,IMO i really dont see that happening Emp...the BMA have a lot of clout,and are now calling for a tobacco free Britain by 2035...
cigarettes are being removed from shop displays-its literally going under the counter...
smoking age is being raised...
they want packaging to be made less appealing,prices raised,a licence to sell,a ban on vending machines,and anti smoking messages to be broadcast before films or tv shows with smoking in them...

not very encouraging for the future of cigs really,if even some of these proposals are adopted...some of them are in the process already...and all that on top of the bad image smokers already have...

reversing the ban would a huge backward step for them...plus they are still producing the "evidence" that the health of bar workers etc has improved immensely,and the costs to the health service have reduced enough to justify the ban....probably total fudge,of course..but thats the way it is.

imagine the uproar from the antis if it were reversed...and they wield the power,lets face it.

its hard to fight against the self-righteous,when they are made up of,or have the support of,the government and majority of the general public.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

compelling arguments, guys, and you're right. I suppose I'm this irritated because our new gizmo doesn't inflict all these horrors on the innocent, but the arguments will be deployed against us just as if they do.

 

[Spider]

You never know, things might be different this time around.. I'm ever the optimist

 

[Nazareth]

Down with Optimists!!! Down with optimists!!!

 

[jarvis]

The thing that is a little troubling about e-smoking press coverage is the "Beat the Ban" slogan. It just implies that we e-smokers are doing something underhanded, side stepping a law, and non smokers are going to immediately resent this. Can't they just say "No smoke, second hand or otherwise!"

 

[Lady Python]

Well, I don't know Mr D. It isn't very likely to be repealed, but it's at least possible. This is prohibition, and it's hurting business (most obviously the licensed trade). More and more people are getting their cigarettes and booze on the black market and that's got to be hurting the national coffers. Sooner or later somebody will notice this and offer the obvious solution, some form of relaxation of the ban.

Unfortunately, our cabbages wouldn't notice if they were on fire, so it will have to wait a change of government (probably a change of political class all through the western world).

I agree 100%.

Because I'm not a drinker I very seldom go into pubs or clubs anyway. I did once like the occasional game of bingo but stopped going when the ban came in as did a lot of people, hence so many bingo halls closing down.

Unfortunately the government we've got is hell-bent on controlling every aspect of our lives and taxing us to death in the process. That has already bitten them on the backside at the local elections and they will get kicked out at the next general election which for me cannot come quick enough.

I don't think the smoking ban will be repealed but I think concessions will be made similar to what they have in other countries which seems to work quite well.

Either way, I intend to carry on enjoying tobacco cigs and my e-cig

 

[leaford]

Did you put link in there deliberately?

 

[Spider]

The thing that is a little troubling about e-smoking press coverage is the "Beat the Ban" slogan. It just implies that we e-smokers are doing something underhanded, side stepping a law, and non smokers are going to immediately resent this. Can't they just say "No smoke, second hand or otherwise!"

Slogans like that are used to sell the products to people who currently smoke, it's a very attractive slogan to smokers who have been looking for a way to beat the ban. Unfortunately, as much as we'd love to, we can't tell people how to sell their products.

If slogans like that work, they will most likely keep using them..

 

[Lady Python]

Err, how come every time I type e-n-j-o-y it links to NJoy

 

[TropicalBob]

I am ...... beyond belief at the Njoy link in my commentary. Just how did a link show up every time a specific word is typed? Imagine that. We've been hacked! Arrrgh. By an ad.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Happened to me too.

MODS!

What is this crap?

 

[TropicalBob]

God, who even has the SKILL to make such a hack? Anyone else is free to try this: Use the word enjoy in a message and what ends up being online.

 

[karenwest1961]

I don't think I'd enjoy that at all, T-Bo.

 

[Pluto]

In the advanced options for making a post, there are checkboxes for "Automatically parse links in text"
and
"Automatically retrieve titles from external links "

I bet if you disable the options, the links will go away.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Happens with Sedansa too

 

[leaford]

Oh, god. This is my fault. And it's not a hack. It's our kindly host, trying to earn a few quid to pay for the upkeep on the premesis.

It's my fault, because I tried my hand at posting an affiliate link, which reminded SJ to do something with his. But I don't think he quite meant it to work this way. 8-o