Rant: Why push the envelope?

[FloydianSlip]

NOT everyone that watches the news is void of common sense...

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I think what Mike meant was that many of the folks featured on the news lack common sense.

 

[vjc0628]

Common sense saves the day, but watching the news each day illustrates how short the supply is.

I agree but common sense is not too common anymore

 

[chellemakepeace]

I think these type of posts are lame. Not that the original poster is lame, but the whole idea that we have to post rants on this, just silly.

I guess because I am a libertarian, and I believe I should be able to put whatever I want to in my body, as long as it is not infringing on others freedoms to do the same.

The need to point out that some people are different, and will always be discourteous smokers, or vapers, or swear in front of your kids, or or or or...blah blah blah

 

[zoiDman]

Common sense saves the day, but watching the news each day illustrates how short the supply is.

I think what Mike meant was that many of the folks featured on the news lack common sense.

I agree but common sense is not too common anymore

I think is was Richard Feynman who once said...

The Most Prevalent thing in the Universe is Hydrogen.

The Second Most Prevalent thing is Ignorance.

If we have to Rely on the Common Sense of the Average Person, We are All Doomed.

 

[cramptholomew]

I think these type of posts are lame. Not that the original poster is lame, but the whole idea that we have to post rants on this, just silly.

I guess because I am a libertarian, and I believe I should be able to put whatever I want to in my body, as long as it is not infringing on others freedoms to do the same.

The need to point out that some people are different, and will always be discourteous smokers, or vapers, or swear in front of your kids, or or or or...blah blah blah

Then, as it would stand to reason, I guess pointing out that people make lame posts, and like to take advantage of their freedom of speech is also lame? Not that the person posting about lame posts is lame, but the whole idea that we have to post about lame posts on lame posts, just silly.

The need to point out that some posts are lame, and will always be lame, or lamer, or be lame in front of your kids, or or or or...

sorry, just had to do it... couldn't resist ;-)

 

[quiter]

Being obnoxious about how you vape isn't exactly the best PR is it?

 

[grandmato5]

Yep, if common sense were allowed to rule all would be ok, but we see less and less common sense everyday in all parts of our lives.

I agree at least to a point with the op. Everyone should be able to refrain from vaping at times. Openly vaping where its not allowed and is likely to be met with hostility will not win us vaping advocates. BUT, neither will I pretend there is something wrong with vaping and only vape behind closed doors. There are places they don't even want one to vape there When they tell me I cant vape in the privacy of my own hotel room or cruise cabin or they will charge me a cleaning fee (for cleaning what????) they've gone too far and I will and do vape in both. When I'm outdoors in a park with NO one close to me I will vape because telling me its against the rules to vape outdoors in the open is totally rediculous. I've stealth vaped LOTS of different places vaping is not allowed.

If there is no rule or law against vaping then if I wish, I will openly vape where ever that might be. Several times I've run into people that have told me what I'm doing is not allowed. As politely as possible I tell them I am not smoking and what I am doing is not against the rules. I don't blow vapor in peoples faces and I'm considerate to those with small children. Again, I try to use some common sense even where there is no rules against vaping but I do beleive that seeing us vape helps educate a lot of people that have been led to believe that vaping is something very different from what it really is

 

[FrostyWolf]

I hate people that just do it "because its not illegal". I know people that purposely vape while pumping gas, vape every restaurant and store and bar they go in and throw a mini-fit whenever anyone asks them to stop.

The point is this, you aren't raising awareness doing that. 90% of the people observing you are going to think your a jerk, and are going to want some sort of restriction in place not because of secondhand smoke or a smell or anything like that, but just because their primary introduction into what vaping is was that one jerk the other day.

EDIT: (This wasn't directed at you grandmato5!)

 

[Steam Turbine]

I was OK with not smoking near non-smokers. I was always, what I considered, a considerate smoker. In fact, I try to be considerate in whatever activity I'm taking part in. I don't want to sound all prideful, and self righteous, but I think that's an important virtue. "Do unto others", and all that. That said, I see a lot of people in the vaping community that insist on pushing the envelope in public places, and with smoking restricted areas. While we, as "vapers", are fairly convinced that vaping is far, FAR, less dangerous than smoking cigarettes, the general public may not be as convinced, or they may not be familiar with e-cigarettes in general, and therefore apprehensive as to the effects it may have on their health. In my opinion, it's important to educate these people about what we're doing, and why we're doing it. BUT, is it irresponsible of us to just walk around indoors, in restaurants, on the bus, on the train, etc., and force people to accept what we're doing as "OK"? Or, would it be better to get the word out some other way? I'm not sure what the best approach is, but I know that when someone else's activity infringes on my comfort zone, I become defensive. I think that that's a natural reaction that we, as humans, have ingrained in us. And, I don't think that forcing our vapor on others is going to produce a different reaction in "outsiders".

Like I said, I don't know what the best approach is, but I do see a lot of you that take the time to ask before you vape, which I think is the considerate thing to do. Then there are those that walk into Starbucks, and start puffing away like they're trying to start a revolution. I guess it comes down to this: does anyone REALLY need to vape that badly, that they can't wait until they're bus ride is over, or until they have an opportunity to go outside? People are still going to see your device, and will most likely ask questions, if they feel comfortable. They're NOT going feel comfortable, and will probably just get defensive, if you're going to blow it their face, so to speak. I think we need a positive message, and an educational one, if our habit/hobby/common joy is to be accepted by others outside of the vaping community. And, it may go a long way in our fight against severe regulation. Brute force never yields that kind of message.

So, I would just like to prevail upon people to consider how they want to be seen as a vaper. The "I don't have any .....s to give" attitude isn't helping anyone, especially you, and the rest of the vaping community.

<end rant>

Well said, I'm not as polite as you, I classify people that vape carelessly everywhere as inconsiderate douchebags that give vapers a bad name. Even if it is demonstrated that secondhand vaping is as harmless as secondhand gum chewing, I don't want to smell your stinky maple pecan juice when I'm standing in whatever line I happen to be in.

 

[cramptholomew]

Yep, if common sense were allowed to rule all would be ok, but we see less and less common sense everyday in all parts of our lives.

I agree at least to a point with the op. Everyone should be able to refrain from vaping at times. Openly vaping where its not allowed and is likely to be met with hostility will not win us vaping advocates. BUT, neither will I pretend there is something wrong with vaping and only vape behind closed doors. There are places they don't even want one to vape there When they tell me I cant vape in the privacy of my own hotel room or cruise cabin or they will charge me a cleaning fee (for cleaning what????) they've gone too far and I will and do vape in both. When I'm outdoors in a park with NO one close to me I will vape because telling me its against the rules to vape outdoors in the open is totally rediculous. I've stealth vaped LOTS of different places vaping is not allowed.

If there is no rule or law against vaping then if I wish, I will openly vape where ever that might be. Several times I've run into people that have told me what I'm doing is not allowed. As politely as possible I tell them I am not smoking and what I am doing is not against the rules. I don't blow vapor in peoples faces and I'm considerate to those with small children. Again, I try to use some common sense even where there is no rules against vaping but I do beleive that seeing us vape helps educate a lot of people that have been led to believe that vaping is something very different from what it really is

This is spot on. Be seen. Do it. And educate. I wasn't saying that I think we should all hide what we do. On the contrary, I think we need plenty of publicity. But, sometimes there is good PR, and there is bad PR. All I wanted to convey was that we all need to be conscious of what kind of PR we're relating. A PR campaign of hopeful acceptance, or one
of "F You, I'm gonna do whatever I want, because it's not illegal"?

 

[josie wales]

I hate people that just do it "because its not illegal". I know people that purposely vape while pumping gas, vape every restaurant and store and bar they go in and throw a mini-fit whenever anyone asks them to stop.

The point is this, you aren't raising awareness doing that. 90% of the people observing you are going to think your a jerk, and are going to want some sort of restriction in place not because of secondhand smoke or a smell or anything like that, but just because their primary introduction into what vaping is was that one jerk the other day.

I agree. People are very turned off by arrogance and vaping where smoking is banned is seen as arrogant, intended or not.

 

[zoiDman]

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If there is no rule or law against vaping then if I wish, I will openly vape where ever that might be. Several times I've run into people that have told me what I'm doing is not allowed. As politely as possible I tell them I am not smoking and what I am doing is not against the rules. I don't blow vapor in peoples faces and I'm considerate to those with small children. Again, I try to use some common sense even where there is no rules against vaping but I do beleive that seeing us vape helps educate a lot of people that have been led to believe that vaping is something very different from what it really is

There is a School of thought that If an Individual does not Respect someone like Business Owner to not allow Vaping because it is Non Illegal to do so, that it is the Fastest way to get Legislation Passed to Make It Illegal.

If Business X doesn't allow in Vaping and Business Y does, and if Everyone abided by Business X's policy, then Both Business X and Business Y are Happy. And Many, not all but Many, Vaper's are Happy.

But if People Don't Respect Business X's Policy s that Bans are Enacted, now Business X is Happy and Many Vaper's are Unhappy.

When you are Outnumbered 10 to 1, maybe that is a Good Time to Realize that a Little Compromise will get you More than taking a Hard Line Stance.

 

[Gautama]

Well said, I'm not as polite as you, I classify people that vape carelessly everywhere as inconsiderate douchebags that give vapers a bad name. Even if it is demonstrated that secondhand vaping is as harmless as secondhand gum chewing, I don't want to smell your stinky maple pecan juice when I'm standing in whatever line I happen to be in.

This is true. Even though secondhand vapor is (probably) safe, it doesn't mean others want to smell it. Also, some people are sensitive to it. For example my wife suffers from migraines. They are often times triggered by scents. If she has a migraine and I'm vaping, I leave the room. I can only imagine the rage she would feel (and rightfully so) if someones vapor triggered a migraine while she was simply standing in line somewhere. It would not go well for the person involved...

 

[Glen Snyder]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/

 

[dash]

IMO it all boils down to one word, respect.

 

[zoiDman]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/

This is Sadly what happens when a Few Vaper's can't seem to just vape Discreetly and or Follow some Basic Rules.

It casts a Bad Light On ALL Vaper's.

 

[cramptholomew]

http://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_.../i_just_made_my_bar_vape_free_am_i_a_bad_guy/

yes, this^

 

[polingpower]

I'm headed to Starbucks to vape then post it on FaceBook.......

then turn myself in....

 

[cramptholomew]

Actually, here's an interesting tidbit. My sister-in-law is a nurse in a large city hospital on the East Coast. She told me, when she first found out that I starting using e-cigs, that they completely allow the patients to use e-cigs in their hospital rooms. Apparently the Docs have no problem with this. That said, I don't know if they allow it all over the hospital, or only in the patient rooms, because they're more private and won't cause a "disturbance".

 

[vicflo]

its not all of us, just like you said, some of us were considerate smokers and some people dont care if they were smoking in a nursery. pretty much most of us know a handful those type of people. they are always experts on <insert agenda here> and you arent going to change their mind regardless of fact, reason or social implications.

It just sucks that it literally will take one bad apple to spoil the pot.