JAC Vapour Series-B DNA 75w
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Well shucks, you was making me feel special when I came on and saw I had so many alerts due to all the likes you was giving me (thank you btw) It was good while it lasted
Congrats on your new Jac
Hola Nailz
It was my pleasure & you are very welcome.
This is so true... I wanted to be able to try most things in the vaping world (and I have tried a lot of things, but nowhere near SOME) but I also know what I LIKE and I stick to that with the occasional foray into other things.... I can't ever imagine trying squonking for example, though I imagine at some point it may happen. If I love it, great. If not, equally great (and someone will receive a squonker....) I mean some stuff... I've tried an RTDA and HATED it, and I suppose I could hunt down "the" MTL dripper (if it exists) but to me it falls in the "why bother" camp since I have plenty of RTAs I actually like... But I don't run around trying to convince diehard drippers to vape MY way, LOL.
I actually am THANKFUL for deeming in some ways, when I joined it was still JUST around the corner and prior to its "mood shift" and I probably tried DIY and coilbuilding LONG before I would have, if that wasn't a looming thing...and it's worked out great. Given that we still have NO idea what the FDA will do, I am STILL glad of it.
If there's one thing every vaper needs (IMO) it's not necessarily particular equipment, but the ability to be self-sufficient going forward if necessary, in however fashion
Anna
Hola Anna
Former REO squonker here
I needed a solution to the whole fill, fill, fill that was needed to keep those cigalikes going and found the REO back in the day. It was good while it lasted I agree with both you and those you disagree with. You're right, it takes a little effort to get past the TC learning curve and it really is not particularly difficult. But I also understand why some do not want to monkey around with TC. They're in their comfort zone and just want to vape. TC can be a little finicky at times and I know lots of people who detest "finicky" in any amount.
As for me, having friends on both sides of the debate ensures I keep friends on both sides of the debate.
Hola Bronze
You got me pegged!
You've got a friend in me Hola KatlandKat
I like to keep it simple too
My Jac Vapour mod with its DNA internals might be overkill for someone like me who only uses its wattage option, but the form factor makes up for it all in my book 
Well I do like changing my flavours often but then I make my own. I have at least 8 years supply of base mix in freezer and a kit to make my own coils for a tank that looks easy enough....that is just in case something goes horribly wrong in Canada over vaping. I don't like to fuss over that either .......just eye ball it and hope for the best lol
Well there really isn't a lot of reason to switch style of vaping if you are happy with what you have.
TC can be finicky until you get it figured out with your specific equipment. I use it all the time because I can get a consistent vape and never worry about a burn hit. Even if the juice runs out it just throttles the wattage and nothing come out and no burnt wick. Generally better to lock ohm after you find it working well to avoid hiccups if it rereads the coil while it is hot.
I use SS coils in the .5 ohm range which seem to work very well as long as they are spaced coils. While the mods say they handle TC up to 1.5 ohms most of them. I don't think it actually works very well in any SS coil above 1 ohm and works better in the .7 ohm or below range with SS.
I don't use NI but it probably works better with TC than SS. But this would be even lower ohm. I have tried TI and while it works very well just don't like the idea of using Titanium.
SS is overall probably the reasonable choice because you can always run it in POWER mode if the TC doesn't work out for you.
TC can be finicky until you get it figured out with your specific equipment. I use it all the time because I can get a consistent vape and never worry about a burn hit. Even if the juice runs out it just throttles the wattage and nothing come out and no burnt wick. Generally better to lock ohm after you find it working well to avoid hiccups if it rereads the coil while it is hot.
I use SS coils in the .5 ohm range which seem to work very well as long as they are spaced coils. While the mods say they handle TC up to 1.5 ohms most of them. I don't think it actually works very well in any SS coil above 1 ohm and works better in the .7 ohm or below range with SS.
I don't use NI but it probably works better with TC than SS. But this would be even lower ohm. I have tried TI and while it works very well just don't like the idea of using Titanium.
SS is overall probably the reasonable choice because you can always run it in POWER mode if the TC doesn't work out for you.
Thanks for your response ShowerHead. 430 is my ultimate goal once I got TC sorted. I got me some from Unkamen. I realise the problem is me, and not the device. I got a friend that's more computer literate so we'll tackle Esribe together. I'll teach him vape and the theory of TC, and he'll translate that into settings on my mod...that's our plan at least. That should happen in the next few days.
Big thank you to everyone involved...i'll report back
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I know it does not really help but all i use are DNA devices with SS 316L from Temco with spaced coils. I only ever use TC and it works flawlessly.I hope you figure it out.
Oh, I agree that everyone has their own personal style of vaping. I do, you do, they do.
There are so many 'TC is SO complicated I tried it once and stuck with wattage mode' that are made in the vein of 'Why bother, stay with what is easy' posts. I'm somewhat amazed at the expertise displayed by those who by their own story have never had a good TC vape.
If you have a DNA and are trying to do TC unsuccessfully, then I feel as a long time DNA TC vaper, I should try to help.
A DNA is not an eleaf/evic/wismec/etc. If it is not faulty and you follow the steps of setting the mod and the profile properly, it is absolutely 'juice, battery, vape'. I cringe when others recommend a non-DNA mod for a first time TC experimenter.
It used to surprise me that people get their feelings hurt after they proudly post along the lines of 'TC sucks and I hate it', then have a TC vaper rebut their claim. But, unless I stumble into a 'My opinion is the last word' thread, rebut I sometimes do. And sure enough, the horror stories of TC follow with the standard 'I tried it, hated it' line. Usually on some mod/tank combo that I'd have a heck of a time getting TC to try to work.
So, again, I truly don't care if you do/don't TC. Really! The mod of this thread is a DNA device and if someone wants to do TC, I'll try to help.
There are so many 'TC is SO complicated I tried it once and stuck with wattage mode' that are made in the vein of 'Why bother, stay with what is easy' posts. I'm somewhat amazed at the expertise displayed by those who by their own story have never had a good TC vape.
If you have a DNA and are trying to do TC unsuccessfully, then I feel as a long time DNA TC vaper, I should try to help.
A DNA is not an eleaf/evic/wismec/etc. If it is not faulty and you follow the steps of setting the mod and the profile properly, it is absolutely 'juice, battery, vape'. I cringe when others recommend a non-DNA mod for a first time TC experimenter.
It used to surprise me that people get their feelings hurt after they proudly post along the lines of 'TC sucks and I hate it', then have a TC vaper rebut their claim. But, unless I stumble into a 'My opinion is the last word' thread, rebut I sometimes do. And sure enough, the horror stories of TC follow with the standard 'I tried it, hated it' line. Usually on some mod/tank combo that I'd have a heck of a time getting TC to try to work.
So, again, I truly don't care if you do/don't TC. Really! The mod of this thread is a DNA device and if someone wants to do TC, I'll try to help.
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I like and have a couple DNA mods. But I am also getting good TC out of eVic, pico and other mods. So while DNA is very good there are others that work well too.
...and THAT is great thing, and I hope you're never discouraged so much that you stop trying to help either. That IS, after all, one of the most valuable aspects of this forum.
One good rule of thumb is to never take @Katdarling or me too seriously. Many here already know this, sometimes to a painful extent
, but I know we sometimes forget that not everyone is familiar with our sometimes warped sense of humor. For that, we offer our sincere apologies. The wristbands, quick little (snarky) comments, and all that stuff - it's just us having fun. We see so many people who are dogmatic in their beliefs, and almost feverish in their desire to get others to do things their way, that it's sometimes fun to poke the bear a bit ("Just get a Provari!").
But we mean no harm - and that is truth. Trust me that we're laughing behind the scenes; often childishly & uncontrollably too.
At our point in this game, the likely scenario is that when we stop laughing, well, that will probably be our swan song here. We certainly want for nothing vape related anymore, so what's left (rhetorical)?
I can't speak for anyone else though, obviously. I'd love to see us all take ourselves a little less seriously (sometimes), and just allow folks to do what they want - however they want (exactly as you said).
Vaping, in any way, shape, or form - is a great thing. Long may it & we prosper from its benefits, to whatever end...
Goodnight, friends, and thank you for putting up with us all these years. We appreciate it, and you (all).
Until I type again...
@Beamslider
To follow up on your beautiful post above..
Plz elaborate on what a good TC vape should feel like...
What is the difference between a good power and a good tc vape? (my gut says to me potentially its safer, because the coil can't overheat...)
In short..i'm fiddling with TC because I want to experience what its all about. What will I experience when I do get it right? (compared to power that is...)
To follow up on your beautiful post above..
Plz elaborate on what a good TC vape should feel like...
What is the difference between a good power and a good tc vape? (my gut says to me potentially its safer, because the coil can't overheat...)
In short..i'm fiddling with TC because I want to experience what its all about. What will I experience when I do get it right? (compared to power that is...)
What you end up with is going to depend on what you want to end up with. I like a nice tasty vape that is on the cooler end of what some like. I get that by setting it to what I like. I get a lot of vapor out of it which I like and a lot of flavor. You can obviously get a very good vape out of power as well. I build the coils and obviously they vary from build to build but the settings on the mod still work to produce what seems like the same vape out of the coils despite some ohm changes in them
The main benefit for me with TC is the consistent same vape and the lack of a burnt hit even if I don't refill the tank before it runs empty. And empty tank just stop producing vapor and doesn't produce a burnt hit or burnt wick that needs replacing. It starts tapering off vapor when the tank gets low and will eventual just not produce anything other temp protection on the screen.
The main benefit for me with TC is the consistent same vape and the lack of a burnt hit even if I don't refill the tank before it runs empty. And empty tank just stop producing vapor and doesn't produce a burnt hit or burnt wick that needs replacing. It starts tapering off vapor when the tank gets low and will eventual just not produce anything other temp protection on the screen.
Nice..anything that makes the vape more interesting is a good thing to me.
I don't want to sideline the topic to much, so plz allow me one more question. I to like a cooler vape. How do I go about playing with that?
I don't want to sideline the topic to much, so plz allow me one more question. I to like a cooler vape. How do I go about playing with that?
TC simply uses temperature as the primary regulating factor instead of volts or watts. We dont vape volts and watts but we do vape temperature. Temperature is closer to our senses than power.
When vaping in power mode we mess around with our mod settings to achieve the same vape from puff to puff. But there are a few other variables that cause the vape to actually change from puff to puff. One of these variables is how long you hold down the fire button. That will impact the characteristic of the puff. Also, how warm was the coil when you began your puff? Was it stone cold? A little warm? Or have you been hot boxiing your mod and it's pretty hot to begin your puff. In our quest to have consistent puffs we compensate by toggling the fire button and/or how long a puff we take. And since temperature is the one human sense the mod can influence the most AND one factor that significantly impacts vape quality, hence temperature control.
TC simply regulates something that humans can better relate to. So when you go to take a vape the temp will always be the same. You dont have to think about it. You dont have to toggle the fire button. You dont have to wonder how warm your coil is when you begin your next puff. In other words, TC not only gives you consistency of expectation (which is the purpose of regulation) but also allows us less thought about how we vape. Look at it as Vaping For Dummies, third edition (behind volts and watts).
Now, when someone can invent a way for the mod to regulate the flavor, why then.....
When vaping in power mode we mess around with our mod settings to achieve the same vape from puff to puff. But there are a few other variables that cause the vape to actually change from puff to puff. One of these variables is how long you hold down the fire button. That will impact the characteristic of the puff. Also, how warm was the coil when you began your puff? Was it stone cold? A little warm? Or have you been hot boxiing your mod and it's pretty hot to begin your puff. In our quest to have consistent puffs we compensate by toggling the fire button and/or how long a puff we take. And since temperature is the one human sense the mod can influence the most AND one factor that significantly impacts vape quality, hence temperature control.
TC simply regulates something that humans can better relate to. So when you go to take a vape the temp will always be the same. You dont have to think about it. You dont have to toggle the fire button. You dont have to wonder how warm your coil is when you begin your next puff. In other words, TC not only gives you consistency of expectation (which is the purpose of regulation) but also allows us less thought about how we vape. Look at it as Vaping For Dummies, third edition (behind volts and watts).
Now, when someone can invent a way for the mod to regulate the flavor, why then.....
...and THAT is great thing, and I hope you're never discouraged so much that you stop trying to help either. That IS, after all, one of the most valuable aspects of this forum.
One good rule of thumb is to never take @Katdarling or me too seriously. Many here already know this, sometimes to a painful extent
The wristbands, quick little (snarky) comments, and all that stuff - it's just us having fun. We see so many people who are dogmatic in their beliefs, and almost feverish in their desire to get others to do things their way, that it's sometimes fun to poke the bear a bit ("Just get a Provari!").
But we mean no harm - and that is truth. Trust me that we're laughing behind the scenes; often childishly & uncontrollably too.
At our point in this game, the likely scenario is that when we stop laughing, well, that will probably be our swan song here. We certainly want for nothing vape related anymore, so what's left (rhetorical)?
I can't speak for anyone else though, obviously. I'd love to see us all take ourselves a little less seriously (sometimes), and just allow folks to do what they want - however they want (exactly as you said).
Vaping, in any way, shape, or form - is a great thing. Long may it & we prosper from its benefits, to whatever end...
Goodnight, friends, and thank you for putting up with us all these years. We appreciate it, and you (all).
Until I type again...
You are warped. Kat's not, but you are!
i'd like to take the time to learn TC. I like to take a long hit.. but.... about half way thru, the vape gets too warm for me. (i had to edit that statement a few times ) when i turn down the watts, it's not enough vapor and flavor diminishes.
) when i turn down the watts, it's not enough vapor and flavor diminishes.TC will remedy that.i'd like to take the time to learn TC. I like to take a long hit.. but.... about half way thru, the vape gets too warm for me. (i had to edit that statement a few times
ok, so as i mess with TC today.. wattage doesn't matter right? just temp? if 400 is too hot, what would be a good starting point you think?
A good starting point would be 400 and you can adjust from there. If you say that is too hot then go to 380. Give it a good 30 minute try at each setting.
Watts do matter and here is where it gets a little fuzzy. Some max the wattage on their device (Busardo) saying it doesn't matter because once the device hits temp it backs off. Well, that might be true with him but my JAC sounds like it is exploding when I do that. Mine is set at 17.5 watts. I'd start there and adjust accordingly. Watts do influence temperature ramp up times.
What kind of wire are you planning to use for your coil?
as Bronze says above. WATTS do indeed matter in TC, they can make or break it. You still need to set the Wattage somewhere close to what the coil would use in power mode or there will be too much throttling of the power and you will end up with mediocre vape for it. If you are using a coil that needs fast ramp you can set a ramp up wattage in most mods to handle that. But the main wattage should be in the area that the coil would use anyway.
Use a spaced coil, not a contact coil. make sure that the coil is near room temp when the mod takes the first ohm reading. Set the maximum wattage on the mode just a little bit higher than you would use for power mode but not a lot higher. Start off with a low temp around 370F, you may not even get vapor much at that point and gradually increase temp until it is what you like.
If you are using a DNA mode, you can use escribe software to change the increments for Temperature from the 10 degree default to either 1, 2, or 5 degree increments. Much more control of temp than 10 degrees at a pop.
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