Janty Atomiser

[trog100]

okay i will offer my "guess" as to the cause of the problem again..

a powerful atomizer needs lots of liquid...

a less powerful atomizer is happy with less liquid...

big carts anything say over the 901 size do not supply a powerful atomizer with enough liquid... hence the need to direct drip with some and not with others..

so little carts work better than big carts which is a bugger cos it negates all the other advantages the big cart has...

a more concise version of what i first wrote but it will do..

trog

ps... the amount of fluid a powerful hot running atomizer can shift is surprising..

 

[PeteMcArthur]

Sounds about right, the generics don't produce the vapour or taste of the Janty, looks like the Janty runs a bit hotter, needs to be dripped.

 

[trog100]

my youngest offspring pete sits there.. looks like a bloody dragon at times.. i aint entirely sure how he does it but i do keep saying we need a bloody video of u... he he

i know one thing thow.. one single dragon impression half empties a 901 cart in one go... he he

trog

 

[PeteMcArthur]

my youngest offspring pete sits there.. looks like a bloody dragon at times.. i aint entirely sure how he does it but i do keep saying we need a bloody video of u... he he

i know one thing thow.. one single dragon impression half empties a 901 cart in one go... he he

trog

That's one thing you shall never see, a video of me!! I prefer to perpetuate the myth that I'm a cool suave Sean Connery type, rather than the truth. I do sound a bit like him, but sadly there the similarity ends

 

[MagusSteele]

Glad I saw this thread, I was beginning to think it was just me.
The KBC i have is haveing major leaching problems right now, and driving me nuts.
IF i top off every 4th hit its fine, but it just will not leach fast enough for me.
I have tryed 3 types of carts, 2 types of juice, 2 types of mouth pieces and still the same. I have cleaned the Stuffing if it was gummed, and loosened it, and still the same.
It works great, but I need to try something different with the carts till i find something that works.
Im not sure if the steel wool is too dense or what, but it just wont leach well.
My 4072s work Great and i use one inbetween while the KB refills. Keeping them in my shirt pocket upright helps, but not much.

 

[SMILIN]

I have to agree, the recent atomizers are failing at a miserable rate. They will sent replacements, and are currently developing a mucho betta one, from what I am told. Bottom line, to me, is Janty battery/manual switch/usb is the best with any atomizer so far. I always have 40 plus atomizers on hand, so when they they start to fade, I just mover to the next. I find that when I get a good one, it is GOLDEN.

I just wish we had the option of spending more, and receiving the best. Wish they had consistent flavor, vapor, draw, and were built to last. Hopefully in the near future, with the help of engineers/professional/and hobbiests we will get what we NEED.

In the meantime, make sure to get enough atomizers, I hope Lude get's it works out REAL soon, and get's em to all us. Cause, when his work properly, I have found NO betta.

Come on Ludo, baby, get us da best

 

[MagusSteele]

I would like to see what they have to say over at Janty, from Ludo or Jeff or someone.
Is it a new design flaw? Are Others reporting the same problems?

I just went over the Atomizer im useing with a meter, and everything looks fine.
It heats well, and smokes well, it just will not refill from the cart for some dumb reason.

I havent tryed one of the other atomizers i hvae, because i dont want to mess up another right now. If i can get this working it would be cool.
I also checked the Batteries and switch, they seem fine too.
Havent used the Auto switch since i got it, but i dont think it would make a difference if everything else works fine.

*edit PS. - I took some alcohol to this atomizer to see if its just gunked up, could be the wool is clogged with sludge/dry juice. will see later if it helped or not. (note, i know this expires the warentee on this Atomizer, but i have 5 total, in case one is really bad, hehe)

To Ludo or whoever, I for one Do Not think this as a bash thread, just one of those discussion threads so we can find out whats happening and how to make it better for all of us, so please go ahead an join in. You would know more about this then we would. We the users are haveing to just guess, which is not always the best.
I for one still Really Like the KBC i got, just want it to work right

 

[gep]

Sounds about right, the generics don't produce the vapour or taste of the Janty, looks like the Janty runs a bit hotter, needs to be dripped.

I, too, noticed that the Janty runs hotter. But what I find iteresting is that their liquid is "thinner" and their cart material is very porous, which to me seems counterintuitive. The carts dry up quickly and I end up topping off the carts more frequently. (I'm guessing that's why you suggest dripping vs. carts with the Janty.)

Any suggestions for blank carts that have a decent density?

 

[Pleased2BHere]

I am on week 3 with a new KBC and have had no issues with the atomizer & Janty cartridges. The generic penstyle carts. from Puresmoker kind of work, but do not fit all the way in (too tight). I did seem to get adeqeute vapor though. Jury is still out on whether I will try to use the generic carts regularly. I did notice that the Janty carts. filler material seems to completely fill the cart. shell and the generics do not?? I'll report back as I proceed since it seems I am having good luck with the atomizer.

 

[trog100]

one simple thing...vapour needs liquid.. larger woolly carts simply do not feed the heater coil with liquid rapidly enough..

as the cart dries out (the liquid is being used) the situation gets worse.. answer keep the cart topped up and wet..

end of matter.. a basic design problem with no answer except smaller carts.. or a completely new system of feeding the heater coils with liquid..

or dont do as much sucking..

trog

 

[MagusSteele]

Your right Trog, and wrong at the same time.

The Janty atomizers have a larger area on the Steel wool then a generic pen, which SHOULD work better at leaching with the extra surface area, but it dont for some reason.

My 4072 pens i can almost suck dry, but the KBC only uses the first mm of the cart, which is maddening because it just does not make any logical sense.

The only thing that i can think of would need clarity from Janty, but, its looking like these were designed for thinner liquid (more water like, less PG/VG in it) which would defeat the reason we like the Janty, the Vapor out put, which would be less with thin liquid.

It seems its just the newer models with the problems, and i know the new 2 Large Hole atomizers seem to be the ones we are talking about.

Think maybe with the extra air/ less resistance on these, its not creating enough suction to help feed the atomizer?
Like i said before, i would love to hear from Janty, and read their opinion on all this.
Maybe its just a few of us, maybe its a pile more people then we know with this problem, maybe they dont want to say anything to keep from creating a panic from customers, i dont know, i just hate guessing.

 

[Kate]

I had the same problem with the four hole atomisers. Ludo was telling me that the two hole ones should work better.

 

[scrubadub]

They don't Kate, all my atomisers from Janty have been the two hole ones. I'm on my third now as I thought there must be something wrong. My latest one one is supposed to be an even newer design without a fiber core which was also supposed to solve the problem. It still behaves in exactly the same way though.

 

[Kate]

Yeah, I've tried both four and two hole atomisers and can't get any of them to work reliably with cartridges. They are great to drip though, a very good vape but that's not so easy to do when you're on the move.

 

[PeteMcArthur]

Harry is sending me out a new one, so we will see how it goes. I suspect it will be the same, but I live in hope

 

[parapo]

Yeah, I've tried both four and two hole atomisers and can't get any of them to work reliably with cartridges. They are great to drip though, a very good vape but that's not so easy to do when you're on the move.

hey kate,
except the cartride issue, what are the differences in 2 vs 4 hole atomizer?
will the 4 hole have a easier drag?

 

[Kate]

I've not really noticed any difference to be honest but some people have said that the two hole ones give more vapour.

 

[fiddler]

Guess I'm just lucky. My Janty 4 hole gets loads of vapor from a cartridge. It just goes on and on, without adding juice. One cart will last me nearly 2 days of pretty heavy puffing.

 

[MagusSteele]

I talked to Ludo a little bit, in the end of the Janty thread.
I finally opened up a New Atomizer, and a New cart, both never opened.
Did a test with it.
The new one has been doing ok for 2 days now, (the site crashed right after we talked, hehe) Havent had time to give what happened.
Topping off, SEEMS to hurt these atomizers, but their carts work fine.

It seems there was a bad batch of atomizers mixed in (my guess), it seemed that there was not really a lot with the problem, but some.
I will Email to replace it, but wanted to use this one a couple days first to see.

 

[nicowolf]

Ok, I am having this very same problem with both my generic ecigs (801 and 901). The cartridge simply does not let go of the liquid fast enough. I can only use about 2 mm of the cartridge core before I get the burnt atomizer smell. They both do incredibly well dripping, just not with carts. Standing them upright for awhile does help, but not enough, 2 good draws then dryness. To do this I would have to have about 15 cigs lined up with good batteries, good atomizers, and loaded carts. I would then have to rotate through them standing them back up in line as they get too dry. Am I doing something wrong here? Why can't I get the d_mned carts to work right?

I think we should start focusing on a different method of delivering liquid to the atomizer. The current method is very labor intensive.