Joyetech eGrip - I am loving this thing!

[vjdossey]

I wouldn't be surprised if reports of muted flavor come back using the cotton trick. It's why I don't use cartos, build verts or own an atlantis.[/QUOTE]
Good point! Although maybe it'll help when all I have is high nic juice... hmmm
This is why I love brainstorming with y'all

 

[h00ligan]

FI give up this thing is nothing but trouble for me

The disposable atomizers womt wick well
The unit spits and floods regularly
The rba base is impossible. The prebuilt coils go in and register 1.27-1.4 but not matter what drop to .8-1.2 ohms

I genuineky am at my wits end

Tried two units and so far it fails for ease and it fails as a rebuildable

Ive build a few decks now but to stem the leaking and getproper airflow you have to do the wick a certain way it seems when you increase density of the wick to even the joytech prebuilds and even using a pin to place after assembling the chimney the coils fail

So frustrating especialy because even when kve had it wleking the flavor sucks


Im open to ideas but I cant see this staying in my life ...maybe im missing something big

Ill bhild one last coil since ive been using their crappy ones and see how that goes

At the very least I can say the disposabke coils wick like crap and the prebuikd coios for the rba are overly delicate underohmed piles of crap (out of fifteen twelve didnt hit an ohm with the chimney off the egeip wont fire below 1.2)

So far any kayfun comparison for me wouod be like comparing a ferrari with a yugo

Sordy guys fkr the rant its been a week of bs with these things

 

[cigatron]

FI give up this thing is nothing but trouble for me

The disposable atomizers womt wick well
The unit spits and floods regularly
The rba base is impossible. The prebuilt coils go in and register 1.27-1.4 but not matter what drop to .8-1.2 ohms

I genuineky am at my wits end

Tried two units and so far it fails for ease and it fails as a rebuildable

Ive build a few decks now but to stem the leaking and getproper airflow you have to do the wick a certain way it seems when you increase density of the wick to even the joytech prebuilds and even using a pin to place after assembling the chimney the coils fail

So frustrating especialy because even when kve had it wleking the flavor sucks


Im open to ideas but I cant see this staying in my life ...maybe im missing something big

Ill bhild one last coil since ive been using their crappy ones and see how that goes

At the very least I can say the disposabke coils wick like crap and the prebuikd coios for the rba are overly delicate underohmed piles of crap (out of fifteen twelve didnt hit an ohm with the chimney off the egeip wont fire below 1.2)

So far any kayfun comparison for me wouod be like comparing a ferrari with a yugo

Sordy guys fkr the rant its been a week of bs with these things

Reposting this for ya h00ligan. Read carefully. It's a make or break kinda thing.


"A lot of of folks here and on other forums are experiencing similar behaviour with factory made coils (some work...some don't) on the egrip. Not because premade rba coils are bad, there really is no such thing, but because some have not gained understanding of the basic electrical principals at work.

The 510 adaptor is your best friend when it comes to getting those coils to fire correctly and read the correct res.

Hope all you lurking noobs are listening; you cannot just measure the res of an unfired contact microcoil to determine it's resistance. It has to be fired and the turns given a chance to become electrically isolated by the formation of alumina crystals on the wire before true res can be measured

If you install a brand new factory wound or diy replacement coil in your rba it may or may not fire in the egrip. It depends on how many electrical shorts are in the coil.....the more shorts.... the lower the resistance. If there are too many shorts the res will be too low for the egrip or Istick to fire the coil. Once the shorts are removed by firing the coil res will be correct and it will fire in the egrip.

It's best to use a mech mod or subohm capable box mod to initially fire your coil with the 510 adaptor"

Also check to make sure the screws are tight on the rba base and that each leg of the coil is only touching the part of the deck that it's supposed to.

Good luck,

cig

 

[h00ligan]

Thanks. I've been using a voltage reader and the 510 base on other batteries to age the coils a bit. I've tweaked, turned , parried and manipulated he prebuilt coils and barely any are making it over 1.2. Of Those that do 80% go south the moment cotton is tucked. Imo they should be selling 1.5-1.8 to allow for their variance. Some measured 1.3 and as you say fired one and failed after. Very very common.

I built a 1.5 coil which is a pain on these devices using post holes. And it works and fires fine but once again the wick is a pain. A lot of cotton nets flooding and really tight draw. Medium cotton nets massive amounts of flooding and dry hits on the fourth draw.

I feel like I've done everything. It's just too fiddly to me. I'm trying to quit smoking not get annoyed and want a cigarette

I'm sure for super advanced users building perfect coils in any configuration with ease who have a bit more patience than me it can be a good device.

P.s the wire they use doesn't appear to be kanthal or nichrome and emits quite a foul taste even when wicked properly. That's what was killing flavor.


Sorry for all those typos. My galaxy note 8 keyboard hates my fingers apparently

 

[AmandaD]

Thanks. I've been using a voltage reader and the 510 base on other batteries to age the coils a bit. I've tweaked, turned , parried and manipulated he prebuilt coils and barely any are making it over 1.2. Of Those that do 80% go south the moment cotton is tucked. Imo they should be selling 1.5-1.8 to allow for their variance. Some measured 1.3 and as you say fired one and failed after. Very very common.

I built a 1.5 coil which is a pain on these devices using post holes. And it works and fires fine but once again the wick is a pain. A lot of cotton nets flooding and really tight draw. Medium cotton nets massive amounts of flooding and dry hits on the fourth draw.

I feel like I've done everything. It's just too fiddly to me. I'm trying to quit smoking not get annoyed and want a cigarette

I'm sure for super advanced users building perfect coils in any configuration with ease who have a bit more patience than me it can be a good device.

P.s the wire they use doesn't appear to be kanthal or nichrome and emits quite a foul taste even when wicked properly. That's what was killing flavor.


Sorry for all those typos. My galaxy note 8 keyboard hates my fingers apparently

I have three egrips, and have used four of the stock coils with no problems. I think the wire *is* kanthal, but if you're getting a bad taste I'm thinking there's a hotspot. The wicking isn't hard, but it may be tricky for someone new to vaping who hasn't wicked or built many coils previously. It does take patience to learn, and if you're trying to give up smoking patience is likely in short supply, understandably!

Did you try the standard base, as you're having so much trouble with the RBA?

 

[cigatron]

Thanks. I've been using a voltage reader and the 510 base on other batteries to age the coils a bit. I've tweaked, turned , parried and manipulated he prebuilt coils and barely any are making it over 1.2. Of Those that do 80% go south the moment cotton is tucked. Imo they should be selling 1.5-1.8 to allow for their variance. Some measured 1.3 and as you say fired one and failed after. Very very common.

I built a 1.5 coil which is a pain on these devices using post holes. And it works and fires fine but once again the wick is a pain. A lot of cotton nets flooding and really tight draw. Medium cotton nets massive amounts of flooding and dry hits on the fourth draw.

I feel like I've done everything. It's just too fiddly to me. I'm trying to quit smoking not get annoyed and want a cigarette

I'm sure for super advanced users building perfect coils in any configuration with ease who have a bit more patience than me it can be a good device.

P.s the wire they use doesn't appear to be kanthal or nichrome and emits quite a foul taste even when wicked properly. That's what was killing flavor.


Sorry for all those typos. My galaxy note 8 keyboard hates my fingers apparently

How high off the airway are you setting the bottom of coil?

What premade coils are you using?

Have you checked to make sure the screw in the bottom of the rba is tight?

 

[h00ligan]

I should specify I can build coils for a kayfun dual in drippers. Varying resistance depending on the need and usually micro coil setups.

So if say while I'm not a guru I'm in the middle. Not new either.

The disposable coils wick like rubbish with anything beyond 50/50. Really really bad. Even some 50/50 wicks horribly if you draw three times in a row.


Screws are tight. Probably around a mm above the base of the deck. The top of the coil is a hair under or on level with the top of the chimney.

The premade coils were advertised as prelate for the egrip from joy tech. The cotton is very thick imo.

How much cotton are you all using. In mm thickness and length. The prefab coils are 2mm diameter

 

[vjdossey]

Did ya try the aspire bvc switcharoo just for kicks. Guarantee you will at least get vaping time in while you work out the rest.
I understand your frustration very well. I am hopeful that threads like these will walk me through my trial and error this weekend. I have little building experience but high hopes for this mod!!!

 

[AmandaD]

I should specify I can build coils for a kayfun dual in drippers. Varying resistance depending on the need and usually micro coil setups.

So if say while I'm not a guru I'm in the middle. Not new either.

The disposable coils wick like rubbish with anything beyond 50/50. Really really bad. Even some 50/50 wicks horribly if you draw three times in a row.


Screws are tight. Probably around a mm above the base of the deck. The top of the coil is a hair under or on level with the top of the chimney.

The premade coils were advertised as prelate for the egrip from joy tech. The cotton is very thick imo.

How much cotton are you all using. In mm thickness and length. The prefab coils are 2mm diameter

Ah, sorry - I thought you were new to building coils! I agree about the stock base - I couldn't vape above a few watts without burning either.

I haven't had to build a coil yet, because these are performing fine, but I've rewicked a bunch of times. I cut mine level with the 510 adaptor, and then stuff them around the airholes from the top (Kayfun style). The original cotton was so thick I had to cut it out carefully, but it still wicked fine for me (using 70pg/30vg and 50/50)

 

[h00ligan]

This is what it took to get a prefab coil going in pictures.

Size of the cotton with premade

Out of the box installed

Tweak it

Then the chimney

Stuff the overzealous cotton

Remove chimney. Tweak

Half the cotton stuffed again

The rest of it

Remove chimney and do it again
Tweak chimney stuff tweak tweak tweak respirate tweak

The result. Virtually no airflow and a spitting mess.

Tried cutting cotton. It's the thickness tried re wicking but the coils so delicate. It's like a 45 min process. Ridiculous

 

[vjdossey]

Oh man... im sorry you're having these problems... no fun, very stressful... I hope you get it figured out...

 

[cigatron]

Hool, looking at the coil it does not appear to have been fired; no discoloration of the wire is evident. I know you can't fire the premades with cotton in them so pull the cotton out before installing them. Joyetech should never have supplied prewicked coils in the first place as it's impossible to test fire the coil when wicked and without test firing your res is going to jump all over the place.

After installing the coil put the rba in the 510 adptr and fire the coil a few times until it glows red from the center outward. This will allow alumina to form on the wire and will stabilize the res of your coil permanently. Wick with less thickness and length than shown in your pics and keep the wicking away from the air hole. Problem solved.

A tip to help get your unwicked coils to fire from the center outward and to gain optimal performance from the coil is to gently rake across the turns of the coil with a small screwdriver, tweezers etc after each test fire(pulse) while in the 510 adptr. Pulse, rake, pulse, rake etc until it fires center out.

Cig

 

[vjdossey]

Cig,
I am learning a lot from you. I appreciate you sharing your info and not getting upset when repeating what you said before. I am grateful for your experience and hope it'll help me once I get moving with my lil grip

 

[four2109]

Did ya try the aspire bvc switcharoo just for kicks. Guarantee you will at least get vaping time in while you work out the rest.
I understand your frustration very well. I am hopeful that threads like these will walk me through my trial and error this weekend. I have little building experience but high hopes for this mod!!!

It comes with a wicked coil pre-installed and mine worked fine. I just rewicked it, might be the second time. I don't often use flavored liquids so coils last me forever.

 

[h00ligan]

Thanks cig. I figured they needed to be fired but considering they come with cotton I thought I'd try. If they'd just build them at a slightly higher tolerance and not so close to 1.2 this really wouldn't be an issue. My guess is within a month the premade coils have less cotton and are being rolled to 1.4-1.5


Which aspire bcc works by he way? All I've seen are nautilus which don't work correct?

 

[AmandaD]

Which aspire bcc works by he way? All I've seen are nautilus which don't work correct?


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You need the other aspire BVC coils - not for the nautilus! And then you just have to change the pin.

 

[h00ligan]

Thanks. I was just curious as its kind of rebuild or bust on this. If it was a drop in I'd try as I find the nautilus bvc coils tolerable. But if there are more steps I'll stick to rebuilding. Thanks though.


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[cigatron]

Cig,
I am learning a lot from you. I appreciate you sharing your info and not getting upset when repeating what you said before. I am grateful for your experience and hope it'll help me once I get moving with my lil grip

Thanks VJ, much appreciated as I have dedicated untold hours to vaping tech. Most of which has been focused on coil tech and the science behind it. My motives are purely altruistic and founded on helping folks get off the stinkies. I know how hard that can be especially when your vape is suck'n eggs.

Always happy to help,

cig

 

[MrSparkle]

Still not having any problems here, but I'm figuring that at 13-14 days on the preinstalled stock RBA coils on both my eGrips, it might be time to drop the jing for the Eleaf ohm meter (they have em at Cignot) and the 510 adapter and change mine out tomorrow night using all the wicking and coil prep suggestions so far (preheat and test coils for 1.3-1.5 ohms, fluffy wicking, making sure all wick holes have wick covering them, etc.)

I'll be using the Joyetech premade coils (not set up yet to start winding my own), and will report back in.

Cig, I saw your tip earlier about using a lighter in a pinch to treat the new coils:

The 510 adaptor is your best bet but in a pinch you can heat the coil to red hot with a bic lighter while holding one leg with tweezers. Be careful. Only heat it red hot then take the flame away. Over heating can distort the symmetry of the coil. Heat it and let it cool a few times before installing in the rba.

But I also saw this:

It's best to use a mech mod or subohm capable box mod to initially fire your coil with the 510 adaptor.

Sorry if this might be a dumb question (but the dumbest question is the one never asked) - I have no mech or other box mods on hand, only my eGo Twist - could I use that to fire the 510 adapter?

Also, I keep reading that folks are having issue with VG in either the stock CS atomizers or the RBA base - I'm using pretty much 100% VG, and not seeming to have any problems? I'm using 100% VG Dekang USA Mix, and Cignot's Basic Tobeecco VG (<2% PG) in a 50/50 mix. If it ain't broke don't fix it, but wondering if I'm doing something out of beginner's luck that might help others.

 

[cigatron]

Sorry if this might be a dumb question (but the dumbest question is the one never asked) - I have no mech or other box mods on hand, only my eGo Twist - could I use that to fire the 510 adapter?

Also, I keep reading that folks are having issue with VG in either the stock CS atomizers or the RBA base - I'm using pretty much 100% VG, and not seeming to have any problems? I'm using 100% VG Dekang USA Mix, and Cignot's Basic Tobeecco VG (<2% PG). If it ain't broke don't fix it, but wondering if I'm doing something out of beginner's luck that might help others.

Sparkle, not sure how low of res a twist will fire before it flashes (short circuit protection). Doesn't hurt to try it though.

All vg is not created equal; some is thick, some is super thick. 100% vg is vapable in any tank system. It's just a matter of waiting on it to replenish the coil after each vape. It will dry hit on you if you get too aggressive with draw length or chaining. Could be your vaping style is more conducive to vaping high vg. My vaping style is to step outside, chain vape a dozen 3-4 second long pulls with every breath, then go back to work. 65% vg is about max in rtas with my vaping style.