Hi, I'm glad you noticed that also , you would think the really thin water would just flush right down , but it don't, and I think it all has something to do with these totally random dry hits. You can be vaping along great and then it just happens. Then a bit later back to vaping great again. Now so far I'm still vaping along fine with the .25 coil I extended the cotton on. So that has really improved things or just coincidence. I think it needs more than 1 test case to really tell. Maybe we will hear back more from the other person who tried that also. And like you said when these coils are hitting good it's a great vape.
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Yeah I was really surprised that NOTHING leaked out! I figured the air flow hole in the top would create enough air flow to allow the water to run out but nope. You might be right; there may be a connection here! I didn't have any trouble with my first coil out of the pack that I bought, though. I vaped 70/30 blend with no dry hits ever for over a month. I did fluff the cotton on the coil I have been using and add a little cotton into the chimney, but I haven't been vaping on it long enough to tell if there's a difference yet. I just did that a few minutes ago. I hope it works!
I was, actually, thinking that maybe the bad/dry hits were because I had worn the coil out. I'm at 3/4 of one tank to maybe 5/6 and I'm already getting harsh dry hits after say maybe 10 minutes. I just want this thing to work on the way home from work or more than only being able to use it for 5 minutes and then have to put it down.
I'm going to send Joyetech an email and see how they respond. Its not the coils and after ten minutes of use - maybe one puff per 45-60 seconds - the base/battery is pretty warm if not hot. Maybe I'm doing something wrong - it seems to work ok if I prime it for every hit but then by then tenth or twelfth its harsh hit city.
I order most of the time from Spain (live in Portugal) it is much cheaper and even faster. If you are living in Spain I know a few good sites where you can buy the coils and other stuff. Just let me know then I sent you the addresses
Good idea about emailing Joyetech. I tried the coil fix on my last coil but I didn't have much luck. I really think that coil was doomed from the start. I replaced it with a new one and it is wicking perfectly. I noticed a HUGE difference when I primed this one versus the last one. The "bad" coil held the juice in the chimney for a really long time. It took forever to get the coil saturated and then it never performed correctly. This one, however, drank juice right away and was very easy to saturate. I think I got me a good one this time, lol! I do think my issues are coil related. I have had great success with the Penguin when I get a good coil. If I could get a month or more out of every coil, that would be amazing!
I consider myself still as a "beginner" with vaping When I started with vaping 1,5 years ago I tried a Aspire quest, eleaf iJust and finally I ended up with a Eleaf Istick basic. Easy peasy for me. But always I had troubles with my coils: burn taste, no taste, device not working (Use Halo Tribeca 12mg). But I thought that was normal and I had to deal with it.
Till last week I ordered the Joyetech Penguin..Wow I am really happy with it
. Good taste, no coil burn, No problems at all. Compared with the Istick I had already troubles after one day.
I think for a beginner vaper this Penguin would be a good choice
When I started with vaping 1,5 years ago I tried a Aspire quest, eleaf iJust and finally I ended up with a Eleaf Istick basic. Easy peasy for me. But always I had troubles with my coils: burn taste, no taste, device not working (Use Halo Tribeca 12mg). But I thought that was normal and I had to deal with it.Till last week I ordered the Joyetech Penguin..Wow I am really happy with it
. Good taste, no coil burn, No problems at all. Compared with the Istick I had already troubles after one day.I think for a beginner vaper this Penguin would be a good choice
I think so, too, Selilita! I also think it's great for people who want a no-fuss device that doesn't leak. I have a ton of devices, but I just love how simple the Penguin is and when the coil is working correctly, I love how I don't have to fill it 2 or 3 times a day. Are you using the .6 ohm coil or the .25?I consider myself still as a "beginner" with vaping
Till last week I ordered the Joyetech Penguin..Wow I am really happy with it
I think for a beginner vaper this Penguin would be a good choice
Hi Cooladdict, I am using the 0.6 ohm coil because because of Mtl and using the 8.8ml that works perfect for me. Just like you said no need to fill it a couple times a day. And even I am not bothered that there is no window to see the liquid. I couldn't see anyway if there was a window
need my glasses for that. And till now no leaking, put it in my bag (big bag of course..) and still good to go
Yay for the Big Bag!Hi Cooladdict, I am using the 0.6 ohm coil because because of Mtl and using the 8.8ml that works perfect for me. Just like you said no need to fill it a couple times a day. And even I am not bothered that there is no window to see the liquid. I couldn't see anyway if there was a window
I was throwing mine in my bag without turning it off and I almost melted a tank, so now I make sure I deactivate it first, lol! I can't believe how well the paint is holding up. It's a great finish. The new one, the Penguin SE, does have a juice window. I am ordering a few of those for my son in law, daughter and, of course, one for me. Gotta have a pink one! Pink pink? Did you say a pink Pink one? oh wow would love one too.. but till now I can't see them nowhere here in Europe. And ok from now I will turn it off to when I throw it gently in my big bag LOLYay for the Big Bag!
After spending way more time then wanted to thinking about the coil issue I concluded it's for sure a winking problem trying to down feed the horizontal coil. Especially after noticing on how the juice stays locked up inside the tank even when you pull the coil out. It's held up in the tank because the air pressure around the sealedtank holds it up.Yeah I was really surprised that NOTHING leaked out! I figured the air flow hole in the top would create enough air flow to allow the water to run out but nope. You might be right; there may be a connection here! I didn't have any trouble with my first coil out of the pack that I bought, though. I vaped 70/30 blend with no dry hits ever for over a month. I did fluff the cotton on the coil I have been using and add a little cotton into the chimney, but I haven't been vaping on it long enough to tell if there's a difference yet. I just did that a few minutes ago. I hope it works!
It's the same principle as when you stick a straw into a glass of water then hold your thumb over the straw tip and take it out of the water. The water will remain in the straw until you remove your thumb and allow atmospheric pressure to push it out. The horizontal coil has atmospheric pressure on both sides of the coil but the juice is sealed in the tank is not under same pressure, so it's actually fighting against that to get down to the coil. That's why blocking one air inlet and 'no fire' inhaling thru the other tends to help re-prime it. You can't add a atmospheric vent to the tank cuz that would make it leak. These coils work great when primed , but once they lose the prime it's a struggle for the juice to wick downwards. It's also why I think added that bit of cotton "helped" some but I don't know of a real solution , it will be interesting to see/hear if they answer @Cheflance .
I know even tanks such as on a lawn mower have 'vacuum breaks" on the top cap so the down flow of gas to the carburetor won't lock up.
Anyway that's my thoughts and opinions on it. I managed 3 weeks on the .25 coil with added cotton. (the 1st week of which had no added cotton and was randomly dry hitting) Then 2 weeks of good vaping , and finally it just died naturally. Just starting to try the .6 coil as of last night.
I still love this Penguin device , just not always confident to take a nice big draw
Well, I tried just roughing up the cotton in the chimney with a needle, poked into the wick a few times. Only the first coil I've done this to, but this one is the best working coil I've experienced with this device yet. Next, I will rough the cotton so that some fluffes upward through the chimney.
Update ... I took out the cotton that I had put in the top and noticed that the wick on the coil was kind of dry. I DO NOT recommend using the cotton. It actually worked as a dam. Unless you press it in very firmly it just not ever going to connect well enough to the wick.
I went ahead and fluffed the wick more with a pin and had a fine day with the coil. I made sure to re-prime every couple hits and no problems. Tosarge is right about the vacuum that is caused inside the juice chamber. I would not suggest letting the juice get below maybe 2 ml in the tank. And thinking about it now ... it would be wise to pull out the coil every once in a while to re-establish equilibrium with the pressure differences.
This is the response from Joyetech:
"Hello
Thanks for your email and sorry for the inconvenience.
We suggest you wait about 1-2 minutes after injecting the liquid.
Or you can smoke once or twice after injecting the liquid without pressing the fire button.
In addition, we suggest you try to inject some liquid to the coil or change to another kind of liquid with low vg percentage.
Have you tried to change the coil?
Best wishes!
Yvonne
Joyetech Service"
I am thinking about taking credit for Tosarge's insight and letting them know about the problem they will have with the pressure differences. The problem is that 8 ml is a large chamber without having some kind of vent to let air in to the vacated space as you vape. The pinning and fluffing of the wick might, also, be helping to let more air back into the chamber. Though it can't be much through the fully saturated wick. This will be true for the more viscous higher VG juices. Letting some air in every once in a while should alleviate this problem.
Good luck all! Hope these insights help everyone enjoy their Penguins to the fullest!
I went ahead and fluffed the wick more with a pin and had a fine day with the coil. I made sure to re-prime every couple hits and no problems. Tosarge is right about the vacuum that is caused inside the juice chamber. I would not suggest letting the juice get below maybe 2 ml in the tank. And thinking about it now ... it would be wise to pull out the coil every once in a while to re-establish equilibrium with the pressure differences.
This is the response from Joyetech:
"Hello
Thanks for your email and sorry for the inconvenience.
We suggest you wait about 1-2 minutes after injecting the liquid.
Or you can smoke once or twice after injecting the liquid without pressing the fire button.
In addition, we suggest you try to inject some liquid to the coil or change to another kind of liquid with low vg percentage.
Have you tried to change the coil?
Best wishes!
Yvonne
Joyetech Service"
I am thinking about taking credit for Tosarge's insight and letting them know about the problem they will have with the pressure differences. The problem is that 8 ml is a large chamber without having some kind of vent to let air in to the vacated space as you vape. The pinning and fluffing of the wick might, also, be helping to let more air back into the chamber. Though it can't be much through the fully saturated wick. This will be true for the more viscous higher VG juices. Letting some air in every once in a while should alleviate this problem.
Good luck all! Hope these insights help everyone enjoy their Penguins to the fullest!
Nice! I tried fluffing mine up and adding cotton, but it didn't help. I will still play with it but I got bored and just stuck a new coil in the Penguin and this one is running perfectly. It also primed perfectly, which the "bad" coil did not, so now I am wondering if this could be a tell. Maybe if they don't prime right away they are going to give us issues and need a little help with some fluffing and a few pokes with a sharp pin?
I'm not giving up yet, I say!
Ha! Tech Support: "Is it plugged in?"
Seriously, though, it could be a problem with the pressure. Thing is, it isn't every single time on every single coil! I've had 3 that I have been able to run almost completely dry with no trouble at all. I am wondering if it's a combination of pressure and the cotton itself. It seems like the tighter the cotton, the harder it is to wick, at least in what I have discovered so far. Either way, it's a quality issue they should be looking into. It should perform perfectly every time!
Yep, fluffed up the wick so that some fluff extends up the chimney. I also poked the wick with a sewing pin, I noticed the wick was very dense, I suppose to prevent flooding.
YES , thanks it will /can cause a dam and I'm going to remove that video because of what I been finding out. FLUFFING the existing wicking DOES seem to help the best. I'm still at the conclusion that it's the pressure differentials causing the wicking to halt.
Theoretically if you poked a hole in the top of the juice tank and allowed atmospheric pressure in, the coil will start wicking better BUT it wouldn't stop wicking until all the chambers were equalized , the coil would flood, SO DON'T EVER DO THAT
Thanks for updating what Joyetech said . Kind of surprised at the answer "Try to inject some liquid into the coil "
that's laughable Again don't do this , the coil sure will start wicking fine , trouble is it won't stop wicking until all things equalize.
My last thoughts and ideas on this issue after reading the answers that @Cheflance got from Joyetech.
I think they are aware of what's going on, I think they thought that a certain portion of the air from inhaling would also draw down some liquid to keep the coil primed.
But if you have a tightly wound cotton coil , that ain't happening as designed. That's why some coils seem to work better than others. SO , what I am doing is to continue to fluff up any new coil cotton and NOT adding anything , and then I am blocking off 1/2 of the air 'Intake" port which will cause a tighter draw. And then hoping with that tighter draw each time , some of that 'draw" will help pull juice down on the coil keeping it primed. As it is is now, the air flow from a normal draw is so loose it's not pulling juice down also as intended.
Even with 1/2 air intake covered the draw is still really nice. Started a new .25 coil , fluffed up a bit and now running with air intake at half opened. And will test it as such for a week.
I think they are aware of what's going on, I think they thought that a certain portion of the air from inhaling would also draw down some liquid to keep the coil primed.
But if you have a tightly wound cotton coil , that ain't happening as designed. That's why some coils seem to work better than others. SO , what I am doing is to continue to fluff up any new coil cotton and NOT adding anything , and then I am blocking off 1/2 of the air 'Intake" port which will cause a tighter draw. And then hoping with that tighter draw each time , some of that 'draw" will help pull juice down on the coil keeping it primed. As it is is now, the air flow from a normal draw is so loose it's not pulling juice down also as intended.
Even with 1/2 air intake covered the draw is still really nice. Started a new .25 coil , fluffed up a bit and now running with air intake at half opened. And will test it as such for a week.
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