Just a brief rant...

[CloudsinCrowds]

More information = better troubleshooting.

^This is sooooooooooooo true.

It troubles me that people out there dont have the common sense to say who made the item..
I can build you a Ferrari in my garage, but it WILL be a clone of one. Same exact idea, when trouble shooting we need ALL of the info that applies, and yes manufacturer applies lol

I agree with everything, granted i really do think there are many more clones out there and that really can give you an idea why we see more of the those threads involving clones. On top of that most clone owners that are having said troubles are probably using there first mech (not all but some) and clones are far more attractive due to the pricing. I actually fully support clone buyers from a financial standpoint. It has gotten out of hand with the pricing of these authentic devices. But i must say it will not keep me from spending almost 200 on a Titan by VHO Morality always wins lolz

 

[Bad Ninja]

Clones or authentics, same problems - same fixes.
If its causing you problems, you probably need more experience before suggesting repairs.
Just sayin.
I repair mods and atties for my local shop.
I have over 30 mods.
99% of the clones I see are so close to the originals they inherit the same problems and repairs.
I agree with the poster who suggested education.
I do not think separate forums would help anything.
There are plenty of threads and websites where authentic owners can pat each others back and bash clones.
Separation isn't going to help anyone.

 

[WattWick]

There's really no need for a dedicated sub-forum for clones... if only people used existing threads instead of making one new for each question about a Stingray, Nemesis or Kayfun. Problem is, the dedicated threads disappear to page 5+ due to the flood of new threads about the exact same topics.

Edit: Thought I'd link the Kayfun thread... until it dawned on me how futile it is to search for "Kayfun" lol.

 

[CloudsinCrowds]

Clones or authentics, same problems - same fixes.
If its causing you problems, you probably need more experience before suggesting repairs.
Just sayin.
I repair mods and atties for my local shop.
I have over 30 mods.
99% of the clones I see are so close to the originals they inherit the same problems and repairs.
I agree with the poster who suggested education.
I do not think separate forums would help anything.
There are plenty of threads and websites where authentic owners can pat each others back and bash clones.
Separation isn't going to help anyone.

I do agree for the most part. Absolutely they are sooooo close if not the same. but yeah most of the issues i see are people not knowing whats goin on or having the proper knowledge to figure it out in the first place. i hate to generalize and be rude like that
WattWick, absolutely agree. people need to use that search button, i agree. and yeah people ask questions way too quickly, maybe lack of self confidence to learn by doing something? beats me.... but never the less the dedicated threads are great once you do stumble across them

 

[sneakerpimp]

Well, coming from a mechanical background, it really is irrelevant as far as function. Not all, but most of the information needed to correct an issue is applicable to a large majority of the mods available today.

I generally assume Clone unless specified as Authentic.
At an Avg of over 10k to 1 in favor of Clone production, odds are it is a clone post.

this.. end thread.

 

[icemanistheking]

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[Rule62]

Clones or authentics, same problems - same fixes.
If its causing you problems, you probably need more experience before suggesting repairs.
Just sayin.
I repair mods and atties for my local shop.
I have over 30 mods.
99% of the clones I see are so close to the originals they inherit the same problems and repairs.
I agree with the poster who suggested education.
I do not think separate forums would help anything.
There are plenty of threads and websites where authentic owners can pat each others back and bash clones.
Separation isn't going to help anyone.

The problems aren't always the same though. That's my point. Two examples, just off the top of my head:
There were some early Kraken clones that had an inherent short within the center tube, because the tubes weren't bored correctly, which left a shoulder inside, which made contact with the center post. Authentic Krakens didn't have this issue; so how would an owner of an authentic Kraken help diagnose the problem?
The first Poldiac clones [I don't know if the problem was ever corrected] had an issue with the rice pin in the switch not making contact with the posts, when the button was pressed. Authentic Poldiacs don't have this problem. How would an authentic Poldiac owner diagnose this problem, when it doesn't happen with authentic Poldiacs?
There are more. These are a couple that just came to mind quickly.

 

[DaveP]

New Balance running shoes brought their manufacturing back to the USA because of "back door production". Their Chinese production sites were making knockoffs during third shift and loading them out the back door to another distributor whose warehouse was selling them all over. The shoes were almost identical and made on the same assembly line with the same material with almost undetectable changes in appearance.

This Aspire site is for identification of the Nautilus product. You put in the code off the bottom of the box and it should tell you if it has been used before. People are finding that their Nautilus code has been used as many as 375 times. All the clones had the same number. There's a picture of a clone and a genuine Nautilus if you scroll down. Danged it I can tell much of a difference in the two pictures except for the fuzzy shade on the box! They also show you what the printing on the box should look like. The clones have bad printing quality on the box and bad shading on the black die of the box itself.

Aspire - Aspire Product Verification

 

[crxess]

The problems aren't always the same though. That's my point. Two examples, just off the top of my head:
There were some early Kraken clones that had an inherent short within the center tube, because the tubes weren't bored correctly, which left a shoulder inside, which made contact with the center post. Authentic Krakens didn't have this issue; so how would an owner of an authentic Kraken help diagnose the problem?
The first Poldiac clones [I don't know if the problem was ever corrected] had an issue with the rice pin in the switch not making contact with the posts, when the button was pressed. Authentic Poldiacs don't have this problem. How would an authentic Poldiac owner diagnose this problem, when it doesn't happen with authentic Poldiacs?
There are more. These are a couple that just came to mind quickly.

It works kind of like this - You do not diagnose the Brand/Model - you diagnose the Problem. On occasion the Specifics may reduce troubleshooting, but this is less and less likely as Clones of originals advance.

Both of your examples could be solved relatively quickly be someone good with a Multimeter and Not having any knowledge of either mod.

 

[Rule62]

Both of your examples could be solved relatively quickly be someone good with a Multimeter and Not having any knowledge of either mod.

Agreed, they could be solved quickly if the person trying to help had the device in hand. We don't have that luxury on an internet forum, where we are trying to diagnose and solve a problem via text.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Agreed, they could be solved quickly if the person trying to help had the device in hand. We don't have that luxury on an internet forum, where we are trying to diagnose and solve a problem via text.

The problem started because you get a ton of suggestions from people that don't understand the basics.
Today, everyone thinks they need to comment.

Guys, mechs are primitive devices.
Flashlights.
Nothing to em.
All work on the same principle.
A very basic understanding of electrical current is really all that is needed.
I started vaping on a fin e cig a year ago.
Now I fix mods and do repairs for my local vape store in my spare time.

Never had an issue with a mod or atty I couldn't solve.
I'm no rocket surgeon either.

 

[Chelonian]

Clones or authentics, same problems - same fixes.
If its causing you problems, you probably need more experience before suggesting repairs.
Just sayin.
I repair mods and atties for my local shop.
I have over 30 mods.
99% of the clones I see are so close to the originals they inherit the same problems and repairs.
I agree with the poster who suggested education.
I do not think separate forums would help anything.
There are plenty of threads and websites where authentic owners can pat each others back and bash clones.
Separation isn't going to help anyone.

Why bring up bashing and back patting?
There is a nasty streak going on in this forum
I only meant that there is a common sense reason to seperate them.
Just as there are sub forums for different manufacturers.
Why not have sub forum for clone companies and suppliers?
Sheesh, calm down with all that negativity badninja....you seem to have knowledge buried amongst that bitterness.
Vape and be happy

Matty

I guess what happened to you answers my question...

 

[Bad Ninja]

Why bring up bashing and back patting?
There is a nasty streak going on in this forum
I only meant that there is a common sense reason to seperate them.
Just as there are sub forums for different manufacturers.
Why not have sub forum for clone companies and suppliers?
Sheesh, calm down with all that negativity badninja....you seem to have knowledge buried amongst that bitterness.
Vape and be happy

Matty

I guess what happened to you answers my question...

Lol relax my friend.
There is no negativity. I'm advocating tolerance and understanding, community and teamwork.
Open discussion and facts.
Not segregation and cliques, separation or division.
The industry itself leans to separation in order to sell product.
There's enough of that clouding the scene as it is, don't you think?
I find this doesn't help buyers or the community.

I don't own a single original mod. So someone like
Me would b excluded from a segregated forum that allows only originals.

Interesting. How would that help anyone?

 

[MattyB1503]

Lol relax my friend.
There is no negativity. I'm advocating tolerance and understanding, community and teamwork.
Open discussion and facts.
Not segregation and cliques, separation or division.
The industry itself leans to separation in order to sell product.
There's enough of that clouding the scene as it is, don't you think?
I find this doesn't help buyers or the community.

I don't own a single original mod. So someone like
Me would b excluded from a segregated forum that allows only originals.

Interesting. How would that help anyone?

Your missing the point.

The idea was and maybe still is to: create a sub-forum for clones or maybe supplier subs for Hcigar etc. etc.

That way all your clone problems and fixes will be right there in one spot.

And, members would have to specifically go to that sub to bash (either authentic or clone).

And I wouldn't have to see endless threads about Blah Blah clone not firing

But yeah, will never happen on ECF. Too progressive I guess.


Edit: not segregated like back of the bus segregation... Segregated like organised or categorized...

"Oh, I want to buy a clone; I'll check out the clone sub-forum of ECF"...

Or

"I really want an authentic; Oh, here's the thread"...

 

[Bad Ninja]

We lose context of conversation in text.
The point I was making was there isn't a difference when it comes to fixes
A vaper with 20 clones will have more real experience with mechanicals than an enthusiast with 5 original mods.
But in an original only forum, those guys will be hovering clone guy for repair tips.

As far as vendor forums, that's a different topic. I have no opinion on vending or sales of mods here.
I don't come here to buy gear, I'm here to discuss and learn.

Anyhoo...let's let the modders fight the clone wars.
I just wanna vape from every type of vape in existence!!
I don't care who made it.

 

[MattyB1503]

We lose context of conversation in text.
The point I was making was there isn't a difference when it comes to fixes
A vaper with 20 clones will have more real experience with mechanicals than an enthusiast with 5 original mods.
But in an original only forum, those guys will be hovering clone guy for repair tips.

As far as vendor forums, that's a different topic. I have no opinion on vending or sales of mods here.
I don't come here to buy gear, I'm here to discuss and learn.

Anyhoo...let's let the modders fight the clone wars.
I just wanna vape from every type of vape in existence!!
I don't care who made it.

I don't think we are on the same page... not even the same chapter.

If you new a little more about what a sub-forum is or how the vendor forums work on ECF we might be able to have a discussion.

But, it's no biggy. It doesn't really make a lick of difference.

Vape on brotha.

 

[Chelonian]

BadNinja, you are a really strange cat.

How on earth does a different forum exclude you? What, you can't click on the desired forum?

Your responses really just fall in line with a lot of ypur other posts in this forum.
You claim that authentic mod owners look down on you in the same sentence that you use derogatory terms about people who buy authentics
You show up in almost every thread about authentics to post derisory comments.

Edit-was meant humorusly, came across mean

Cause you sure have a problem with them.

How about this - quit judging what other people buy and vape...you know, follow your own advice. :thumbup:

 

[23skidoo]

I've been part other forums that are very heavy-handed in merging threads together with even a hint of them being the same subject. I can't stand forums run that way, and here's why- Mega threads for manufacturers or singular products are the worst way to get specific information to people looking for it. All the info you may ever need can be held within a 500 page thread, but it gets buried and becomes useless. People/I simply will not read every post in a massive thread, especially when they are merged together the flow goes straight out the window, and they become almost indecipherable.

Different subforums on a site that already has an immense number of subforums dilutes the accessibility of the information, imo. I've been a member of this site over a year, and I still see links to subforums I never knew existed. It's pretty remarkable really. This site is big.

How hard is it to specify whether the mod you want help with is a clone or authentic? There are known issues with certain clones, just like there are known issues with certain authentics. It helps to know as much info as possible. I agree with the OP, if you want help be as specific as you can.