Just fed up-a rant

[xg4bx]

I just have to say that that the "buy an ego, buy an ego" mantra is rapidly becoming tiresome, especially in the Blu threads. The wrapper isn't even off the product and people are told to send it back.

Nobody gives the friggin product a chance to work nor help the user make the product work for them. There's this poisonous idea pretty much being put into peoples heads that if something doesn't work incredibly right out of the box, then it's a p.o.s. that no one should ever try. The fact is that these attys take a few days to properly break in due to the lower power battery. The product isn't crap just because you're not putting out clouds of vapor from minute one. If you try smoking it like a cigarette, you will also get miserable results.

It's absolutely infuriating that damn near everything besides the chosen product of the month is considered crap. From my own experience my box mod and other pv models are sitting collecting dust while my l88b Volcano is my go to. Know why? Because I gave it a chance to work. At first I wanted to hit something because I thought I wasted money but I kept using it and using it until a couple days later the atty kicked in and I almost choked on the vapor. Now it's always by my side.

Is everybody wrong about these models? No, not totally.But I do think that there's a metric crapload of impatient people and those unwilling to help those in distress. If you think I'm just an idiot, so be it. But I'll be an idiot enjoying a smooth, flavorful vape off my "crap" l88b.

 

[LowThudd]

I just have to say that that the "buy an ego, buy an ego" mantra is rapidly becoming tiresome, especially in the Blu threads. The wrapper isn't even off the product and people are told to send it back.

Nobody gives the friggin product a chance to work nor help the user make the product work for them. There's this poisonous idea pretty much being put into peoples heads that if something doesn't work incredibly right out of the box, then it's a p.o.s. that no one should ever try. The fact is that these attys take a few days to properly break in due to the lower power battery. The product isn't crap just because you're not putting out clouds of vapor from minute one. If you try smoking it like a cigarette, you will also get miserable results.

It's absolutely infuriating that damn near everything besides the chosen product of the month is considered crap. From my own experience my box mod and other pv models are sitting collecting dust while my l88b Volcano is my go to. Know why? Because I gave it a chance to work. At first I wanted to hit something because I thought I wasted money but I kept using it and using it until a couple days later the atty kicked in and I almost choked on the vapor. Now it's always by my side.

Is everybody wrong about these models? No, not totally.But I do think that there's a metric crapload of impatient people and those unwilling to help those in distress. If you think I'm just an idiot, so be it. But I'll be an idiot enjoying a smooth, flavorful vape off my "crap" l88b.

I agree. If someone already has something, and it is working for them then 'nuff said. If someone is asking what PV has the best batt life the answer is eGo(or mod). But saying to every noob who says "I want something cigarette sized" "buy an eGo" is rather rediculous and self gratifying. I love my eGos, but I also love my cig sized auto SmokeStiks. The KR8s are handy at times also. This goes along w/ a poll I made earlier reguarding the "buy a 510" crowd. There is no such thing as the "Perfect" PV for everyone. This is about quitting cigs, not who makes the best toys, or even more so who HAS the best toys. To each their own.

 

[xg4bx]

I agree. If someone already has something, and it is working for them then 'nuff said. If someone is asking what PV has the best batt life the answer is eGo(or mod). But saying to every noob who says "I want something cigarette sized" "buy an eGo" is rather rediculous and self gratifying. I love my eGos, but I also love my cig sized auto SmokeStiks. The KR8s are handy at times also. This goes along w/ a poll I made earlier reguarding the "buy a 510" crowd. There is no such thing as the "Perfect" PV for everyone. This is about quitting cigs, not who makes the best toys, or even more so who HAS the best toys. To each their own.

Thanks for getting where I'm coming from. I have several models and this is what's working best for me, I want something that looks and feels like I'm smoking a cigarette. I just think it does an extreme disservice to tell someone who wants a cig-like pv to go drop $80 on something that's the size of a cigar. It's the immediate, almost O.C.D. reaction of "send the Blu back" that has me tearing what's left of my hair out. I know that on the Volcano forums they'll outright tell people that it takes a few days of use to get the best results. I'm not Einstein but that's not a hard concept for me to grasp. Even my 510 stunk until I got the shipping fluid off the atty.

I hate to say it but there is a high school "ooh look what I got/what I can afford" mentality. Many people like myself spent our cigarette budget for the week or 2 weeks buying their first kit. If I spent money on something that I could barely afford in the first place, only to be told to immediately send it back, I'd suggest people go fornicate themselves and never come back.

People aren't asking for the world, they just want someone to say "I see you're unhappy, here's what you can do to get better results..." That's nice that I can get an ego, but I spent my cig money on a Blu, help me do something with it.

And Blu/l88b users themselves need to realize that it will take at least 2 days minimum to start getting good results, they WILL NOT be vaping like Grimm as soon as they open it.

 

[Tiari]

*simply applauds*

 

[Timothy Cullen]

well xg4bx i went through this myself and i gotta say its partially right and partially wrong i got a dse 801 kit and i loved it but the batts just werent working for me so i opted out and got a mod... now my brother on the other hand did order a blu and of course i went through those "high School" motions of telling him this and that and it will never be as good as my roughstack. truth be told i had to eat my words becuase he just handed it over and said take a puff. well quite simply it worked and it works for him thats all that really matters i mean in america choice is key and not everbody is gonna care about having a big fancy mod they may just want something to help replicate the feel of a cigg and if that works then by all means enjoy your blu and ego and mod or whatever ... i mean we got people vaping out of flashlights and computer mouses and whatever they can grab
in short good job and keep voicing that opionion becuase to many people are afraid to speak ya know

 

[APD99]

Blu sucks, buy an eGo

Having said that, I love my Blu & I also love my ego, both for diffrent reasons. Yes the ego battery lasts longer, yes it uses a 510 connector, but the warm vapor hit from the Blu is something I can never give up. I like the ego for fruity juices because of the solid vapor, but the Classic tobacco from blu is one of the only tobacco flavors i can stand. IMO, and I have been flamed for this on ECF in another thread, there is no way that every blu basher has tried a blu so it's just bandwagon bulls***. Also the ego looks like a "bat" and any other reformed pothead knows what i'm talking about, so the Blu also makes a nice "in public" vape because it's easier to explain an e-cig that looks like an analog than one that looks like paraphanelia.

 

[amrnation]

edit please delete this post I was stupid and didn't realize this was located at a suppliers forum.

 

[cleolove]

I agree with the OP .. it is infuriating to see the people in the new members forum insisting that they won't be satisfied with a Blu, and they should buy a big ugly mod. I don't want a big ugly mod. It's especially frustrating when the newbie posts "I want something that looks like a cigarette" and they talk them out of it and into buying something gross.

It's shameful that the people who "help" at the new members forums don't give the newbies a range of options, rather than just giving them their personal opinion. Everyone is different, everyone is happy with different equipment. Personally, I love my blu .. yes, I need to have 4 batteries cuz the battery life isn't the greatest, but I love to vape on it. It is what got me off cigarettes, and I will never get rid of it.

I also have a 510, a 901, a kr808-d, and use them all. I've noticed with the kr808-d, which is just slightly higher voltage than the 510 (510 is 3.2 and 808-d is 3.7) that the flavor isn't as strong on the higher volts. It's all about the flavor for me, I couldn't care less about throat hit or vapor production.

Whenever I help someone trying to find out about vaping, I share my experience with all the different models. No, I've never tried a ego or a big ugly box mod, don't really think I need to, since I'm perfectly happy with my current PVs. I let them know there are options for higher voltages, bigger, longer lasting batteries, but for someone just starting out, they mostly just want something simple to use that gives them good flavor, and vapor.

Blu is overpriced for what it is, but then again, V4L products are overpriced for what they are as well. Yet, V4L seems to have a lot of customers. I guess when they don't give out the actual info about their product, they can get away with selling the same thing for $45 that sells for $20 somewhere else.

I think more of us need to hang out in the new members forum and give more of a balanced explaination of the different models to counter the constant drumming of "BUY AN EGO - YOU WON'T LIKE ANYTHING ELSE" In fact, I'm going to make an effort to do just that.

Thanks for speaking up .. there are a lot of people who feel this way, clearly. Now, lets go change the world with our vast knowledge and experience ...

Peace,
cleo

 

[H Niemand]

Let me add that the Blu cartos clean and rejuice well. Blu got me started on vapeing. True, I seldom use it now but I still have the kit. I may give it to my daughter and son in law.

 

[MitchellBeans]

Did you know that the blu uses an EXCLUSIVE CHARGE PACK to keep your batteries fresh on the go? Each battery lasts at least 5 minutes!! And you can recharge each battery at least 4 times in the EXCLUSIVE CHARGE PACK!

Also, blu has gone cartomizer! So instead of having an atomizer that at least has a prayer of being dripped on, blu now has a closed off cartomizers that promises a pack of cigs but delivers 4 cigs at best!!!!!!

WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!

 

[MitchellBeans]

I just have to say that that the "buy an ego, buy an ego" mantra is rapidly becoming tiresome, especially in the Blu threads. The wrapper isn't even off the product and people are told to send it back.

Nobody gives the friggin product a chance to work nor help the user make the product work for them. There's this poisonous idea pretty much being put into peoples heads that if something doesn't work incredibly right out of the box, then it's a p.o.s. that no one should ever try. The fact is that these attys take a few days to properly break in due to the lower power battery. The product isn't crap just because you're not putting out clouds of vapor from minute one. If you try smoking it like a cigarette, you will also get miserable results.

It's absolutely infuriating that damn near everything besides the chosen product of the month is considered crap. From my own experience my box mod and other pv models are sitting collecting dust while my l88b Volcano is my go to. Know why? Because I gave it a chance to work. At first I wanted to hit something because I thought I wasted money but I kept using it and using it until a couple days later the atty kicked in and I almost choked on the vapor. Now it's always by my side.

Is everybody wrong about these models? No, not totally.But I do think that there's a metric crapload of impatient people and those unwilling to help those in distress. If you think I'm just an idiot, so be it. But I'll be an idiot enjoying a smooth, flavorful vape off my "crap" l88b.

* flyin over trout, all I wanna feel is the wind in my eyes.

Also, yelling about people that suggest an ego is pretty odd. They are doing so because it (eGo) lasts a very long time, produces better flavor and vapor, and for the money absolutley wipes the floor with 'blu' .. old or new version.

This is not to say 'blu' does not have its place.. I am certain at least 5% of their customers come back to buy more severely overpriced 'carts' that promise a full pack per cart but deliver more like 4 or 5 cigs worth ... but if its what you like, great. Just don't go hating on people who suggest another model.

"Good? He's the BEST!"

 

[Stosh]

I'm confused, this thread is about the branding of a battery???

I have a variety of batteries that produce 3.2v, 3.7v and 5v with different mah for each. I use adapters to afix 306, ,401, 4072, 510, 801, KR808-D1 and 901 attys and cartos to whatever voltage I perfer for the juice I'm using, and the length of time I need the battery to last.

I've found the juice feeding systems, wicking and size / resistance of the heating coil to have much more effect on the vape than the brand of a particular battery.

 

[JoeD4]

I agree with the OP. Too many "experienced" vapers (and many who've been at it only a month or two) will rush in to "help" a new person and just regurgitate the same old rhetoric (i.e. 510 and eGo). Whether one's 1st e-cig is a BLU, a mall kiosk rip-off, or a 6V pipe bomb sized mod with all the options, it's still a new thing and the beginning of a journey that is filled with apprehension, intimidating amounts of information and options, and (of course) a rather expensive learning curve. I really think the best way to help a new person is to ask them what they want most out of a PV and then LISTEN.

When I first started vaping, I was taken in by an over-priced mall kiosk deal. It didn't get me off of analogs, but it DID get me started on my journey away from cigs and toward vaping. It took me about 2 months of research and reading ECF posts to order a 510 and finally leave cigarettes behind. I use an eGo now and I am very happy with it, but maybe that's not the right PV for the next person. I didn't know what I wanted, needed, or even what was reasonable to expect of an e-cig when I started. It took me some exploration. I tried the RN4081, 510, KR808d, and the eGo. They all have their merits.

I think many people are well intentioned when they recommend 510's, eGo's etc. They are good PV's that have a lot of users. But what is right for one may not be right for another. So, to make a solid recommendation one must first know what the user is looking for AND have experience with various models. Now, having said all of that, I believe that we all need to go through this process of discovery. Some are fortunate enough to find THE one on the first try but most of us do not. How would I know that an 808 is not for me if I hadn't tried one? I was spending $50+ a week on cigarettes so spending $100/month trying different PV's and another $50 on juice still saved me $50/month! I think the best we can do is share the info we have in an objective way and encourage them as they navigate the world of vaping. I love my eGo with a 1.5ohm atty, but I don't expect anyone else to.

 

[Godzilla]

I know what it is like buying something that doesnt work very well, and it bummed me out when so many people "rubbed it in" that I did not do my homework, or tell me that I did not make a good choice.

But I also think most newbies dont even know what questions to ask, or what it is that is most important to them regarding an e-cig.

There is a reason why the ego, or riva has become so popular. They work well. But I do agree, if someone is asking for a a cigarette sized pv, Its not right to tell them to go straight to the ego. But I will offer info on the battery life, and make sure they know to purchase extra batts. When I gave up analogs, the standard 510 batteries were a joke. I rotated between 4, and was constantly charging batteries. I also had to order a second charger so I would have one at work. With the ego, I only needed 2 charged batteries for a full 24 hours.

 

[Boothvilleboi]

You know I can see where everyone here is coming from about the emotional issues someone might have to deal with upon their first purchase being a Blu. My first purchase was the blue. But I not only gave I. 2 days. I gave it 5 packs of cartomizers and over 130 bucks. It still is not a good product. It just really isn't. O would love nothing more to have a Cig like PV but when I have to change the batteries every 20 min? That's a lil extreme. And the carts don't last a fraction of what they claim. To me if they would have been honest about the consumption level I would have been a little more prepared. I can't afford to buy 12 dollar carts and wait for them to arrive. I ran out of gas the first weekend and had to wait a week till more cartos arrived. If you refill them it voids your warranty and you can't send it back I hate to jump on the bandwagon as you call it. But everyone is screaming ego for a reason. Once I started vaping I didn't wanna go back to analogs. And I don't care what any o e else thinks about how my PV looks. At least it's not an analog. And I'm not getting lung cancer. The point is almost everyone who says they want a small Cig like PV goes out and gets an ego or mod box after owning the Blu or supermini as they say. Who wants to constantly change carts when you can get a tank and just fill it. And have one battery last all day instead of 20. Min. For the same price. Blu is being hated on for a reason. And I am a Blu customer. I hate it. Really. The thing is horrible and I don't knock anyone for having it because I know exactly how you feel. It's not fun being made an outkast. But they have a thirty day guarantee and I took the liberty of using it. Inferno T. Just my preference though. Not tryin to start a war against Blu. ( I guess that makes one o us).

 

[APD99]

Also, yelling about people that suggest an ego is pretty odd. They are doing so because it (eGo) lasts a very long time, produces better flavor and vapor, and for the money absolutley wipes the floor with 'blu' .. old or new version.

But what you fail to see is that people are telling someone who wants an analog sized PV to go right out and buy something that is NOT an analog sized PV. If someone says that they have a Blu and has a question about battery life and you reply "Hey I noticed you're a 2 PAD smoker and are having issues with battery life I know you want an analog size but you may need to reconcider or try brand x which has a 180 mah batt instead of the blu which has only an 80mah batt" then you are being helpful. If, however you see the same post and reply "you got gypped go get an eGO and send that trash back" then you are being the hind end of an equine. If i tell you that i bought a 4cyl compact car and you tell me that I should have bought an F350 Diesel Dually then you haven't done crap except spout your own opinion, and the next guy who just goes "+1" diserves to have his brain removed with a spork, because he obviously can't even be bothered to formulate his own opinion or put it in writing.

 

[H Niemand]

Yo APD99,
We are neighbors in locale and opinion. I am so far north in Philly I can walk into Bensalem.
Anyway, I started with the Blu. Now, I have 5, 510 analog type batteries that I got from from Electronic Stix. I always have one in my shirt pocket with a carto attached. I also have a Tornado kit with with 2 batts and attys from Vaporfoxxe in Warminster that are always on my desk or coffee table with carts attached. Spare cartos and carts all over the place!!! Six bottle of juice lined up in my home office.
I thank Blu for getting me started and weaning me down from analogs. I thank ECF for information that has helped me on my E-Cig jouney.
Bottom line is that Blu can work in the beginning. Use it, continue the E-Cig experience, and then pass it one to the next person that you care about to get them off analogs. Mine went to my son in law. All of this in 2 months and I regret none of it.

 

[Iusedtoanalog]

Ok folks, I too starteed with an "expensive" kit that i will not rip on for the fact that the day after i started vaping i had ONE analog in the morning, the last analog i have ever had. I have been vaping fo the better part of this year and have found that with my first ecig the fact that it wouldnt run for long enough to have a "smoke break" with my compatriots at work much less all day was very frustrating. The "expensive" kit claimed that the carts were the equivalent of a pack of analogs(SERIOUSLY?). So while i was grumpy, moody, impatient and altogother dissatisfied with MY first PV I began reading posts here on the ECF and low and behold most opinions were by-and-large correct. The device i was using is inferior in most respects to almost everything else i could have chosen.
I then purchased a more popular analog sized PV and realized first hand the vapor could be far more satisfying than anything you could light with a match. I still didnt appreciate the fact that the time it takes to charge one battery was only marginally shorter than the time it takes to run one from charged to empty. But incredibly more enjoyable than the "expensive" unit i had just a few weeks before quit analogs with.
With this precursor in mind i then purchased a "big battery" PV. and was immediately smitten the very next day when my battery lasted from the evening i unpacked it, through my work day, through the ride home. I thought to myself wow this is a nice piece of equipment. So there are those of us who do like the analog size of the smaller units, myself included. I keep my PV with me everywhere i travel, i keep a complete spare just incase something goes horribly wrong.
I used to spend over nine dollars a day on analogs for the past ten years, i smoked for over the last twenty, if i can help any one person to avoid the mistakes i have made with analogs or PVs just ask for my opinion and you are welcome to it.... but my gosh dont glom all us who give our opinion togother as "sheep".

 

[OMG!]

I bought my first e-cig from V2 (KR808) and it was way too expensive. I actually think that helped me because I'd made an investment in quitting. The "day I will finally break even" was a goal, and it wasn't 1/2 a carton of cigs... it was several cartons. That's truly one of the things that kept me going so i wouldn't trade that for anything.

I recall getting taunted about being ripped off when I defended my purchase in the Newbie forum. I really can't stand a lot of the people who squat in that forum and act like they are in know-all-be-all. I mostly pity them, though, because they really must need to feel important in their lives and giving out condescending advice fills that void.

I'm still using my 808s but will be getting an iGo soon. It's too big for me to use in public but it will be nice to knock around at home with. My V2 cig look-a-likes will always have a place and value.

Keep enjoying your Blu's folks and help the newbies if you can.

 

[Mudder]

I've started a friend out on some of my 510 cigarette look a likes. When she's ready to move on to something better, I'll recommend an ego. Simply because you're not always charging batteries every 20 minutes, like you do with the 510's. That's so annoying.