FDA just got a White house response to a petition i signed here is the message!
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I received the same thing. Probably anyone who signed and gave email address received this reply. Sorry, I don't trust it as far as I can throw it...
just added this petition to move on . org. please sign and support it. given the FDA's proposed regulations. turnabout is fair play. sign it , and send it to your friends to sign thanks all.
MoveOn Petitions - force big tobacco to list all chemicals, and ingredients on every pack of cigarrettes
MoveOn Petitions - force big tobacco to list all chemicals, and ingredients on every pack of cigarrettes
well according to this that means they will be required to list the ingredients like what they already do. e-liquid ingredients Propylene Glycol, Vegetable Glycerine, Nicotine, and Flavoring. so big deal oh my god its not like the thousands of chemicals in cigarettes. so i still feel safer with the e cigs. but i just wish they could be legally classified as a stop smoking product because we all know that is what they do and do well. i think if they could market e cigs not the chap ones but the better ecigs as a stop smoking device that would help so many other people and make the entire country a healthier place for everyone.
Why would you sign a petition asserting that FDA regs will ban e-cigarettes? All that does is give him a big fat strawman to knock down.
No, the law does not out right ban them. But in practice it kind of does. They do that by effectively tying paperwork up and using red tape. Essentially, if you can't show remarkably similar already approved products (good luck with e-cigs) then you must apply under the premarket allowance. Which is what the FDA actually wants. This allows them to test (until kingdom come) your products, and then make a market determination. Meaning, they will tie all of this stuff up until small companies that can't afford the legal teams, long waits, etc are out of business. It's called bureaucratic ban or red tape ban. Ask food and drug companies how long the FDA takes to sign off on things and how much it costs to push a product through. It takes years and tons of money to get new products through... Time and money that these small vendors just don't have.
Care to guess who does have that time and money? Politicians and tobacco companies. It isn't a conspiracy, it's just SOP.
Uh, Fait, don't forget big pharma. Zeller use to work for one and may still be on the board of one. Pharma is a big player here and stands to lose a bunch of $ too. Maybe even more than the tobacco companies?
I'm not too sure that pharma has anything to do with it. The way I see it, is that the gov't wants to regulate and tax it for $$, and the tobacco companies are in lock step with that because it will mean less people turning to vapor and those that do will inevitably have to turn to the tobacco companies for it. They are the only ones that can afford to wait it all out, and they have their bought and paid for politicians. It's a win/win for them.
Right, it doesn't ban them. That's the point. There will be e-cigarettes after the regulations, regardless of their final form, go into effect. You may not like these products, they may be produced only by BT, they may be an unsatisfactory substitute for smoking, they may be more expensive to use per puff or per day than mods, innovation and variety will take a huge hit, but e-cigarettes won't be banned. So when the petition says they will be banned, it diminishes the credibility of whatever else the petition said and gave Zeller the opportunity to wallow in the fact that there will be no ban--an opportunity which he gleefully jumped on and which allowed him to evade and avoid the real issues--the issues which you have correctly identified but which the petition, by all indications, didn't.
EDIT: What has the FDA done with its new regulations instructing cheesemakers on the proper way to make cheese? It's a perfect example of stupidity and ignorance in action, coupled with a zeal to regulate virtually everything. They first issued a declaration that cheese could not be aged on wooden shelves. Apparently, the FDA didn't fully inform itself of the fact that cheese has been aged on wooden shelves for thousands of years and that many producers of high quality cheese age their cheese on wood, including the "King of Cheeses," Parmigiano Reggiano, and hundreds of artisan cheeses produced in the USA and abroad. Producers insisted that aging on wood is an essential part of their process and created a huge outcry. The FDA was getting some bad press and nasty letters. They backed off just a little and said they'd welcome proof from the industry that it wasn't dangerous to age cheese on wooden shelves. Good lord! When I first read about this I thought it must be some kind of spoof or parody.
Is it a coincidence that Monica Metz, the woman at the FDA who put her name on this fiasco, is a former employee of Leprino Foods, one of the largest mass producers of cheap cheese in the world?
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According to scientific testing at UC Davis and elsewhere, wood has an antibacterial effect and is much safer than plastic as a cutting board material. LINK
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Big Pharma has everything to do with it. They stand to lose $$ on reduced sales of ineffective NRT products (patch, gum, etc.) each time someone tries to quit smoking and fails, not to mention all the $$ they will lose on medicine for sick smokers (chronic & deadly diseases both), as their health improves/clears up by switching to vaping. The FDA is funded by BP for the most part (as well as Big Ag). BT is against the free market because they want it for themselves, practically a non-issue in comparison.
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Lets not forget BG, out of $80 billion in sales PMI passed $48.8 billion in taxes collected on to governments world wide. Out of every pack of 20 cigarettes they sell 12 of them are sold for BG.
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