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Reneee

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I have had several e cigs over the years that were stupid, no battery power, not much vapor, etc. Finally got one for Christmas that has great battery and plenty of vapor but it wasn't cutting it for me. I only used it in places I couldn't smoke and eventually just put it away and really wasn't using it. Now I have bronchitis from being sick and I can't get rid of it so I decided that instead of dreading getting a cold all the time I would try to get more serious about using my e cig. Today is day 2 and I although I'm still smoking regular cigs I still feel like something is missing. Like I'm depriving myself. I have 24 mg. but it doesn't seem like enough. :unsure:
 

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Well, bottom line is you have to really WANT to quit smoking, and be fully DETERMINED to make it work using e-cigarettes.

vaping is not the same thing as smoking. There will be some concessions which will need to be accepted. Nothing is as easy as lighting up a cigarette and smoking. vaping takes some effort -- having charged batteries available, a working juice attachment, and liquid nicotine. Using these requires some planning ahead and knowing how these thing work.

Not all e-cigs are created equally. You can buy a pack of cigarettes and pretty much know the results. With e-cigarettes, unless you are lucky you may go through a few setups before you find the one that works best for you. Success depends upon finding the right setup and the right flavor for you. I actually enjoy vaping more than I did smoking. Hard to believe that could be true, but it IS TRUE.

We need more information on your smoking habits and what gear you are currently using. Battery type and juice attachment used. Once we learn this, we can give more specific assistance to you.

Vaping has worked for thousands of ex-smokers. It can work for you, too.
 
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There is a wealth of super reliable, easy to use, satisfying equipment available at many budget levels in recent times...even a few years ago we didn't the selection we have now, and the juices available are staggering!! Let everyone here know what you have tried, how you smoked, what your budget and tastes are, and everyone will be happy to give you ideas...questions here welcomed by everyone!!
 

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Vaping takes some effort -- having charged batteries available, a working juice attachment, and liquid nicotine. Using these requires some planning ahead and knowing how these thing work.

For me, and I suspect for many others, these are positive aspects to vaping over smoking. You have to be engaged in the process, but this in return gives you a stake in the results ...

Not many choices with tobacco products, really, and forces at work to limit e-juice flavors, apparently in an effort to "level the playing field" for the tobacco companies, and preserve the taxation income stream that they generate ...

I thoroughly enjoy the 30 minutes to an hour that I spend each evening, preparing my vaping gear for the following day. Its satisfying to have that degree of control over this activity, as opposed to surrendering it to a nameless faceless industry with a proven track record of deceit and avarice ...

Its like cooking your own meals, instead of eating in restaurants every day. I'll take satisfaction and economy over convenience, given a choice, its the heritage of my Yankee ancestors, I suppose ... :D
 

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I too tried e-cigs for the first time about 2 years ago. I bounced around from crappy ones to worse ones. This made it hard to make the switch permanently and I always went back to analogs. It will take some time and a little trial and error, but with ever since i found this forum my experience has become much easier. The people on here are quite helpful :)

Best of luck to you!
 

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Being an Ex smoker, I remember that feeling of being "depraved of something". After doing some research, I found out that there's more to smoking than just nicotine. There are thousands of chemicals in a regular cigarette, and just replacing the nicotine just does not cut it all the way. Here's what I have come to realize over the months during quitting.

Nicotine works through your body's dopamine pathways, and gives you a semi-euphoric "I succeeded" feeling. Every time you smoke, you are training your body "I inhale this, with nicotine and 2000 chemicals, I get this semi-euphoric feeling". You go without it, and your body wants more of the nicotine and 2000 chemicals to get satisfied again.

Now enter an Ecig. An ecig does not have those 2000 chemicals in it like a regular cigarette does but it DOES have nicotine. When you smoke an E-cig, you at first get the "I am satisfied" feeling, but you're still missing the 2000ish chemicals from a regular cigarette. Your mind has been trained after all that time of smoking, that nicotine + chemicals = satisfied, and it's just getting the nicotine + nothing = satisfied?... it's a bit confused.

Switching to an Ecig is not a %100 instant cure to cigarettes. You're addicted to what's known as a WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloid). E-juice normally doesn't have WTA, and I suggest you drop your dependency on them as well. It will take some effort, but E-cigs will make it a whole lot easier. For starters, use the Ecig as much as you can. Only when you absolutely have to, go to a regular cigarette to get your WTA fix. You'll find you'll smoke less and less as your mind slowly "retrains" itself on what it's addicted to. Stay at the 24mg strength, since it will help with the transition. Every day, just challenge yourself to see how much longer you can go without a regular cigarette.

Here's some reading articles: a supplier explaining what a WTA is and nicotine 101

good luck and vape on.
 

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Being an Ex smoker, I remember that feeling of being "depraved of something". After doing some research, I found out that there's more to smoking than just nicotine. There are thousands of chemicals in a regular cigarette, and just replacing the nicotine just does not cut it all the way. Here's what I have come to realize over the months during quitting.

Nicotine works through your body's dopamine pathways, and gives you a semi-euphoric "I succeeded" feeling. Every time you smoke, you are training your body "I inhale this, with nicotine and 2000 chemicals, I get this semi-euphoric feeling". You go without it, and your body wants more of the nicotine and 2000 chemicals to get satisfied again.

Now enter an Ecig. An ecig does not have those 2000 chemicals in it like a regular cigarette does but it DOES have nicotine. When you smoke an E-cig, you at first get the "I am satisfied" feeling, but you're still missing the 2000ish chemicals from a regular cigarette. Your mind has been trained after all that time of smoking, that nicotine + chemicals = satisfied, and it's just getting the nicotine + nothing = satisfied?... it's a bit confused.

Switching to an Ecig is not a %100 instant cure to cigarettes. You're addicted to what's known as a WTA (Whole Tobacco Alkaloid). E-juice normally doesn't have WTA, and I suggest you drop your dependency on them as well. It will take some effort, but E-cigs will make it a whole lot easier. For starters, use the Ecig as much as you can. Only when you absolutely have to, go to a regular cigarette to get your WTA fix. You'll find you'll smoke less and less as your mind slowly "retrains" itself on what it's addicted to. Stay at the 24mg strength, since it will help with the transition. Every day, just challenge yourself to see how much longer you can go without a regular cigarette.

Here's some reading articles: a supplier explaining what a WTA is and nicotine 101

good luck and vape on.

Yes, it is a bit confusing as evidenced by your somewhat confused post.

The addiction is to the psychoactive spread of chemicals in cigarettes, many of them being tobacco alkaloids. WTA is not present in tobacco, WTA refers to an eliquid product containing alkaloids purified from tobacco. It contains the active alkaloids (including nicotine) but all other tobacco chemicals have been removed during processing. So again, tobacco does not contain WTA, it contains tobacco alkaloids. Processing and purifying these tobacco alkaloids into an eliquid produces WTA eliquid or WTA. If I had a nickel for every time somebody confused WTA for the alkaloids present in tobacco...

WTA eliquid is available and is a much better alternative than smoking for ecig users who are having trouble getting over the cigarette hump.

Your vendor FAQ is from a vendor who has been out of business for about a year after taking a number of folks money and not delivering the goods. A much better FAQ is available from a currently active vendor who focuses on product quality and customer satisfaction.
 

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To answer your question on how much to vape. For me, when I first quit, i had it attached to my lips :). I wasn't concerned how much I was using it...just that I wasn't smoking cigarettes is all I cared. As the months went by that lessened quite a bit...although I love vaping as much as I ever "loved" smoking - so I find myself using my vape device often. :). What doesn't happen now is the utter uncomfortable feeling I would get (agitated) when I hadn't smoked in a few hours. If I can't vape for a few hours - I'm ok... I don't feel all cracked out wanting a fix like I did on cigarettes ;)
 
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found the stuff on aroma ejuice, thank you! i'm going to give this a shot, then hopefully i can transition without it after awhile. is it going to be just as hard to switch to regular liquid from wta as it is to stop cigarettes?

AromaEjuice.com is the WTA vendor I recommend. I "invented" WTA back in 2009, and started consulting with Aroma perhaps around 2011. The WTA liquids that Aroma makes are according to procedures I developed for them and whether it's the unflavored 24 mg WTA or one of their flavored WTA liquids, the stuff is pretty amazing. Actually, the 24 mg unflavored WTA Aroma produces does have a flavor that derives from the tobacco alkaloids. It's a warm, nutty throat flavor that is really just fantastic. Time and time again, folks who have trouble getting off the cigarettes find that Aroma's 24 mg unflavored WTA gives them that elusive relief from cigarette cravings.

As for being harder to get off of WTA than getting off of regular eliquid, I believe that it is harder to get off of WTA than regular eliquid because it's simply more effective than regular eliquid. If your situation is one where regular eliquids keep leading you back to smoking, then WTA can provide an effective alternative to smoking. On the other hand, I recommend that folks who have no trouble with cigarette cravings while using regular eliquid should perhaps steer clear of WTA.

Tobacco harm reduction is a bit of a continuum:

Abstinence ---> Regular eliquid ---> WTA eliquid/snus ----------------/-------------------> Smoking

Don't take anything from the length of the lines, it's just meant to show that all these options are FAR safer than inhaling burning tobacco smoke.
 

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Yes, it is a bit confusing as evidenced by your somewhat confused post.

The addiction is to the psychoactive spread of chemicals in cigarettes, many of them being tobacco alkaloids. WTA is not present in tobacco, WTA refers to an eliquid product containing alkaloids purified from tobacco. It contains the active alkaloids (including nicotine) but all other tobacco chemicals have been removed during processing. So again, tobacco does not contain WTA, it contains tobacco alkaloids. Processing and purifying these tobacco alkaloids into an eliquid produces WTA eliquid or WTA. If I had a nickel for every time somebody confused WTA for the alkaloids present in tobacco...

WTA eliquid is available and is a much better alternative than smoking for ecig users who are having trouble getting over the cigarette hump.

Your vendor FAQ is from a vendor who has been out of business for about a year after taking a number of folks money and not delivering the goods. A much better FAQ is available from a currently active vendor who focuses on product quality and customer satisfaction.

I never did say to buy from that vendor, nor do I recommend switching to a WTA juice. To me, with someone who has relapsed back into the stinkies needs to get away from regular cigarettes, and the closer something is to a cigarette, the greater chance there is of a relapse back into cigarettes. I recommend trying both analogs and Ecigarettes together.. but slowly ween yourself off the analogs. Nicotine is a psychoactive drug.. as I said in my earlier post, it "trains your brain". The trick to getting off of Cigarettes is not to simply quit or substitute, but to re-train what nicotine's already trained your brain to do. A WTA e-juice is somewhat counterproductive if you stick with a WTA juice. It's not JUST the WTA's the OP is addicted to, it's the other 2000+ chemicals. Even switching to a WTA juice is not the answer, but it does shed some insight as to what is going on with the addiction.

I could write a five page essay on how addiction works, and how E-cigs are not working for her. I could break down the individual components of smoking, but chances are, if I did, it wouldn't be read. I have to simplify things, which is what I did, perhaps too much so that it's confusing. Even your post is somewhat confusing...

WTA is not present in tobacco

WTA stands for Whole Tobacco Alkaloids.. It is other components of tobacco that is not in most E-juice. IT is extracted from tobacco, and IS present in tobacco. It is one of the many components that is present when someone smokes a cigarette. It is also PART of what she is addicted to. There is also many other factors in the addiction. The holding of the cigarette, the smell of the unburned tobacco, the act of packing the cigarette, the act of lighting it, the squishiness of the cigarette, the visual of the smoke as it rises, the taste of the inhaling tobacco, the hit at the back of the throat when you are inhaling it, the smell and taste of the burning tobacco and the woosh sound you make when you exhale, the whole experience is what she is addicted to. The nicotine has altered her mind to equate the whole experience as being gratifying while the tar builds in her lungs. It leaves a reminder of the whole experience by leaving a smell in her hair, in her car, on her fingers, and in a little dish beside her called an ash tray. It's a wholly evil process that is self destructive where no true good comes from it except to line the pockets of the tobacco industry.

Now, you enter Ecigarettes. there is a whole range of products that can help "trick" your brain into substituting that whole experience to something that many times safer than a pure tobacco solution. Now, if she so chose, she could replace: The smell of the ecig as she takes it out, the squishiness of the cartomizer as she holds it, the turning it on substituting the lighting, the inhaling of vapor instead of smoke, the light at the end of a cigalike as she inhales the flavor of something more pleasant than smoke, the woosh of exhale is still there...all while using something that has nicotine. That is why Cigalikes are and will still be around as long as cigarettes are around, they mimic the whole smoking process to help re-train her mind to get off those stinkies.

After she gets off of real cigarettes, she can start weening herself off of the whole process, but substitution is the hardest part. Switch away from cigalikes and going to a larger battery is a key component, since it mimics the availability and on demand process of a traditional cigarette. Then switch to a juice that's further away from cigarette, then the lowering of nicotine itself is recommended.

I have been addicted to cigarettes for over 20 years. At the height of my addiction, I would buy Marlboro 100's and rip the filter off of them and smoke them that way. I have come a long way, and I remember what it was like. I haven't smoked one cigarette in over a year, and I'm quite proud of myself. I vape fruit flavors, and a 6mg nic level as my main juice. I use a VV/VW mod and a mech mod which doesn't resemble a cigarette at all. I've turned off all lights on my VV/VW mod when I vape as yet another method of quitting. I doubt I'll ever smoke a cigarette again, and if I do ever give up vaping, I will keep a bottle of E-juice and a PV at hand so I won't have to grab a lighter and cigarette.

These have been my experiences, and anyone that wishes to quit analog cigarettes, please take what I've said.

Your vendor FAQ is from a vendor who has been out of business for about a year after taking a number of folks money and not delivering the goods.

I was lucky enough to need a WTA juice, so I did not know about their business practice. WTA juices may be a necessary step to quitting for others like the OP, so Thank you for that redirected link.

Keep calm and vape on.
 
not going to join the discussion above, but I use an Evod about half the time, MT3 tank the other. I was as hooked on cigs as anyone on this forum- 2 packs, red, for 37 years....but everybody is different in their addiction I guess. You do need good juice, the Evod should give you a good hit, and yes - when I am just sitting around, I chain-vape my ecig. I puff on it as much and often as I need to, and if I do that, I don't even think about smokes. Are you leaving plenty of vapor in your mouth, and blowing it out your nose/mouth? The nic is absorbed in your mouth/nose versus your lungs for smokes.
 
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