Just visited my doctor

[xtwosm0kesx]

I'm not an doctor but my wife is... I've been vaping since 2008 here is the real story, you just swapped habits. One maybe a little less harmful to the body who really knows, depends on who paid for the study. You can tell yourself anything, the fact is you are still addicted to nicotine and introducing other elements in to the lungs. Any doctor condoning vaping over smoking is just collecting your cash and running to the bank. I'll hang in there with ya, cause if I'm not getting nicotine somebody else around me is going to have a bad day with me.

vaping since 08 and a doctor wife? Well you must be a regular expert!

Thank you for finally bringing us the 'real story' that so many millions of us have missed up until this point!

/sarcasm

Also since you've got it all figured out, explain to me exactly how a doctor profits by recommending an e-cig over smoking?

Honestly, i'm confused as to why you even vape, given your views on the subject.

 

[Striper954]

I was just going to post a thread about this. Irresponsible doctors shouldn't voice their opinions not based on fact.

 

[nopatch]

how a doctor profits by recommending an e-cig over smoking?

By not losing the patient, May be.

Yeah, I've have to get a new doc, rather than be treated by an idiot like that.

Andria

There is strong anecdotal evidence in favor of vaping vide testimonials of vapers. Other than that we don't have anything else at this point.

The vaping studies are a load of crock.

 

[Alto101]

By not losing the patient, May be.


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There is strong anecdotal evidence in favor of vaping vide testimonials of vapers. Other than that we don't have anything else at this point.

The vaping studies are a load of crock.

Care to explain your opinion? There are lots of positive studies showing the harm reduction of vaping. Do you think otherwise?

 

[nopatch]

Harm reduction or harm cessation is due to cessation of smoking. Nobody has a clue what vaping does to lungs.Since nobody has their lungs taken out due to vaping it is deemed better than smoking. The so called health studies serve their purpose in creating positive buzz.

Care to explain your opinion? There are lots of positive studies showing the harm reduction of vaping. Do you think otherwise?

 

[Alto101]

Harm reduction or harm cessation is due to cessation of smoking. Nobody has a clue what vaping does to lungs.Since nobody has their lungs taken out due to vaping it is deemed better than smoking. The so called health studies serve their purpose in creating positive buzz.

You seem to have a very negative opinion of vaping and the harm reduction potential it holds. I doubt that any evidence is going to change your opinions. The fact that people are not having their lungs taken out to see the effects of vaping is a ridiculous point to make. How many people that vape have you heard about have had their health worsen after switching from smoking to vaping? I am guessing very very few. This is evidence of the harm reduction in vaping. Without vaping, many of these now healthier people would have continued smoking and not realized the great health benefits of quitting smoking and switching to a much healthier alternative.

 

[DaveP]

The AMA has reversed its opinion on ecigs. Once, they agreed that ecigs might be useful in getting smokers off tobacco. Doctors will usually agree with the AMA. It's not surprising.

AMA: Electronic Cigarettes Are Drug Delivery Devices and Should Be Subject to FDA Regulations

I smoked for almost 40 years and have vaped for 5. The times I tried to quit smoking were unsuccessful until I started vaping. With ecigs it was easy.

A couple of months ago my doctor sent me for an X-ray to rule out pneumonia when I had one of those respiratory things that was making its rounds and wouldn't go away. The x-ray turned out normal. I got a copy of the x-ray on DVD and compared it to other normal x-rays in Google images and it looks just like any other clear normal x-ray. I consider myself blessed to have smoked all those years without contracting some serious lung disorders. Vaping for 5 years may have assisted in allowing my lungs to heal.

At any rate, my doctor is still on board with vaping instead of smoking. Sure, plain old clean air is best for your lungs, but vaping can replace smoking and that's a good thing. A perfect world doesn't exist. Smoking is terribly hard to quit. Vaping makes it easier. Doctors should accept vaping as an acceptable substitute, IMO.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

My appt. last Spring had my doctor happy with my switch, but at my my appt. a couple of months ago, he didn't comment.

I don't worry about it. Next appt. i am going to ask for a chest x-ray.

 

[AndriaD]

Harm reduction or harm cessation is due to cessation of smoking. Nobody has a clue what vaping does to lungs.Since nobody has their lungs taken out due to vaping it is deemed better than smoking. The so called health studies serve their purpose in creating positive buzz.

You seem to have a very negative opinion of vaping and the harm reduction potential it holds. I doubt that any evidence is going to change your opinions. The fact that people are not having their lungs taken out to see the effects of vaping is a ridiculous point to make. How many people that vape have you heard about have had their health worsen after switching from smoking to vaping? I am guessing very very few. This is evidence of the harm reduction in vaping. Without vaping, many of these now healthier people would have continued smoking and not realized the great health benefits of quitting smoking and switching to a much healthier alternative.

The main point that both of you seem to be missing is that without vaping, a great many of us would NEVER have quit smoking. I doubt if vaping, all on its own, is all that "healthy" -- but compared to smoking? 95%-99% healthier than smoking. It's all well and good to say that the health benefits are from quitting smoking, not from starting to vape -- the point is, the quitting would never have happened WITHOUT the vaping -- for a LOT of us. When people would ask me, "are you ever going to quit smoking?" my answer was either "nope, never" or "if they come up with a way to quit that doesn't mean I have to suffer to do it, then I might consider it." Guess what, "they" DID come up with that mythical way to quit without suffering -- it's called vaping. Without it, none of the benefits of non-smoking would be mine. And I know I am VERY FAR from the only one who feels this way.

Andria

 

[Alto101]

The main point that both of you seem to be missing is that without vaping, a great many of us would NEVER have quit smoking. I doubt if vaping, all on its own, is all that "healthy" -- but compared to smoking? 95%-99% healthier than smoking. It's all well and good to say that the health benefits are from quitting smoking, not from starting to vape -- the point is, the quitting would never have happened WITHOUT the vaping -- for a LOT of us. When people would ask me, "are you ever going to quit smoking?" my answer was either "nope, never" or "if they come up with a way to quit that doesn't mean I have to suffer to do it, then I might consider it." Guess what, "they" DID come up with that mythical way to quit without suffering -- it's called vaping. Without it, none of the benefits of non-smoking would be mine. And I know I am VERY FAR from the only one who feels this way.

Andria

I agree with you 100% Andria - my earlier post was too concise I guess.

Good post!

 

[AndriaD]

I agree with you 100% Andria - my earlier post was too concise I guess.

Good post!

Well, I re-read your post, and I saw that you did mention this point, but I fear that all too often, in the "healthy or not?" dialogue, this point gets pushed completely out of sight.

I have actually seen a worsening of one aspect of my health, and it seems very odd, but my asthma actually worsened after I switched to vaping. I suppose it's not surprising considering that I have never been a non-smoking asthmatic till now, and after so many years of continuing to smoke, despite my asthma diagnosis in 1985, I had attained a very delicate balance between smoking and breathing; although quitting smoking eliminated nearly all the junk in my lungs and probably 90% of my coughing, the addition of vaping tipped that delicate balance, and I began to require maintenance medications along with my rescue inhaler. This is entirely worth it both to me and to my doctor, because he and I agree that to return to smoking just to improve my asthma would be every kind of stupid -- so he had no problem prescribing Advair. He'd been after me for years anyway, to use Advair, but I didn't really feel it was necessary, until I started vaping.

So, while I agree, with 1st-hand experience, that vaping may not be ENTIRELY healthy... it's still 95%-99% safer than smoking, and without the vaping, a great many of us would never have been able to reach non-smoking, and I am absolutely one of those. For any smoker to say, 'vaping isn't completely safe and so I'll just keep smoking,' that's completely insane, because we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that smoking brings a great deal of disease and death, that's absolutely certain; even IF vaping isn't completely safe, it's STILL 95%-99% safer than continuing to smoke! And, even appears to be 99%-100% safer to bystanders, than 2nd-hand smoke.

I'm just really tired of people bashing vaping, saying that the REAL benefit is in the quitting of smoking -- because so many of us would never have been able to enjoy non-smoking, without vaping.

Andria

 

[Woofer]

... Nobody has a clue what vaping does to lungs.

This is a completely ridiculous statement.

 

[nopatch]

The main point that both of you seem to be missing is that without vaping, a great many of us would NEVER have quit smoking. I doubt if vaping, all on its own, is all that "healthy" -- but compared to smoking? 95%-99% healthier than smoking. It's all well and good to say that the health benefits are from quitting smoking, not from starting to vape -- the point is, the quitting would never have happened WITHOUT the vaping -- for a LOT of us. When people would ask me, "are you ever going to quit smoking?" my answer was either "nope, never" or "if they come up with a way to quit that doesn't mean I have to suffer to do it, then I might consider it." Guess what, "they" DID come up with that mythical way to quit without suffering -- it's called vaping. Without it, none of the benefits of non-smoking would be mine. And I know I am VERY FAR from the only one who feels this way.

Andria

I agree with your post.The original context is whether a doctor should recommend his patient to continue vaping. The point i am trying to make is the doctor cannot make a recommendation. There is simply no basis for him to do that.It doesn't mean The doctor should be telling his patient go back to smoking.

The individual has enough evidence(vide testimonials) to make that decision ,but it is not for the doctor to make that recommendation.

When the doctor says to his patient to ALSO stop vaping (If possible) he is doing his job.

 

[AndriaD]

I agree with your post.The original context is whether a doctor should recommend his patient to continue vaping. The point i am trying to make is the doctor cannot make a recommendation. There is simply no basis for him to do that.It doesn't mean The doctor should be telling his patient go back to smoking.

The individual has enough evidence(vide testimonials) to make that decision ,but it is not for the doctor to make that recommendation.

When the doctor says to his patient to ALSO stop vaping (If possible) he is doing his job.

Well, he can tell me that all he wants to, and it will have as much effect as the 17 yrs of "you know you should quit smoking" that came before. No doctor should EVER tell his patients to go back to smoking, are you totally insane? As I said, even IF e-cigs aren't perfectly harmless, they're STILL 95%-99% safer than smoking. I'm pretty sure even a doctor can do that math.

Andria

 

[nopatch]

Seems I have Misplaced some sentences .

All I am saying is a practicing doctor cannot recommend or support vaping.

 

[Katmar]

Seems I have Misplaced some sentences .

All I am saying is a practicing doctor cannot recommend or support vaping.

My doctor has seem so much improvement, he is all for it. He knows it keeps me of the cancer sticks.

 

[Jethead]

I don't believe Doctors.

I don't believe any media.

Hell, I barely believe my own mama.

I trust myself and my own FEELING on the matter. Pack a day Marlboro reds for 30 some years, start vaping almost instantly feel better, more stamina, endurance, hardly ever sick any more where before it was a horrible bronchial infection bordering on pneumonia at least twice a year, skin, fingernails, hair looks better, eyes clearer, sleep better, wake easier, taste buds work better, nose works better, I smell better, lungs clearer, throat feels better blah, blah

Is vaping bad for you, probably, come on inhaling anthing other than air is not meant to be, but is it so much better than cigs it's ridiculous? YES.

The goal for all of us should be to eventually quit inhaling anything other than air.

 

[four2109]

I saw my Doc in '09, 2 weeks into vaping. I told him about ecigs. His response was "Eh, PG is used as a carrier in a lot of things." Then he listened to my lungs and his only response was an approving, "Wow." He put me down as a nonsmoker.
His nurse smokes and hasn't been able to quit. He said anything is better than smoking.
I'm only hoping it's early enough to avoid COPD.

 

[KattMamma]

I see the OP is in CA, where the anti-vaping lies and rhetoric is really ramping up. Maybe this has something to do with the Dr's 180 on vaping.

Or... a pharmaceutical rep recently came in with some anti-vaping crap because chantix sales are down. I hate pharm reps.

 

[RosaJ]

Or... a pharmaceutical rep recently came in with some anti-vaping crap because chantix sales are down. I hate pharm reps.

I hear you, but you must remember that doctors/hospital personnel love the phram reps. They give out "goodies" and contribute to Christmas parties especially at the end of the year.