Kanger Nebox Starter Kit - New Concept Temperature Control

[Tpat591]

Agreed on all points Bru2! Joyetech has the possibility of doing it right but it will be tough for them to match the Kanger RBA base delivery. Don't trust the display or that TC actually even works right or can be trusted on Nebox. Kanger coils are designed for 20W-35W max. Running at 60w in TC Should be providing instant heat up to Set Point of TC but this thing is overshooting SP by a mile before it reacts. Everything feels like it is 120-150 deg f too high.

Blows the hell out of an Egrip but TC in these in my opinion is a miserable failure accuracy and reliability wise! It could be damn dangerous for a beginner who will be breathing in burnt nickel coils!

Either we three at least got ours from a bad batch or the reviewers all had their heads up their tail ends or were paid off! Be interesting to see what Busardo says when he reviews. Think he is delaying to work out a fix with Kanger before he goes public. Wouldn't look good to be ripping them apart for selling junk after the factory tour & all. We may not see his review for a while!

Something tells me this thread will be rivaling the Evic VTC thread for angry users complaining about their units a month from now unless we get the word out quickly.

 

[Bru2basics]

Agreed on all points Bru2! Joyetech has the possibility of doing it right but it will be tough for them to match the Kanger RBA base delivery. Don't trust the display or that TC actually even works right or can be trusted on Nebox. Kanger coils are designed for 20W-35W max. Running at 60w in TC Should be providing instant heat up to Set Point of TC but this thing is overshooting SP by a mile before it reacts. Everything feels like it is 120-150 deg f too high.

Blows the hell out of an Egrip but TC in these in my opinion is a miserable failure accuracy and reliability wise! It could be damn dangerous for a beginner who will be breathing in burnt nickel coils!

Either we three at least got ours from a bad batch or the reviewers all had their heads up their tail ends or were paid off! Be interesting to see what Busardo says when he reviews. Think he is delaying to work out a fix with Kanger before he goes public. Wouldn't look good to be ripping them apart for selling junk after the factory tour & all. We may not see his review for a while!

Something tells me this thread will be rivaling the Evic VTC thread for angry users complaining about their units a month from now unless we get the word out quickly.

I think that the tc sensing pulse (heartbeat) is very slow hence the over shooting the sp but I also have my doubts over the ti mode as the difference in temp is nigh on what you would expect to off set titanium in ni200 mode! Very curious! I honestly think some of these reviewers are completely clueless as to the mechanics of temperature control and would do well to learn what they are reviewing before bestowing it's virtues to the public. If a newbie got his/her hands on this mod then I think they could be in for a bad time! I can't see phil even bothering to review it in all honesty as he didn't seem to impressed with his quick look at it but it will replace my egrip until the next mod comes along.

 

[Hotwire]

no airflow control? No thanks

 

[Bru2basics]

no airflow control? No thanks

It's not bad at all though it's on par with my billow v2 at about 3/4 fully open and if you prefer it more restricted then you could always put some black insulation tape on the bottom!

 

[Tpat591]

Using RBA now with Nickel build at 0.1 ohms. followed video above and no leaks so far. tighter draw than the stock coil, but better flavour. Will see how it goes.

Watched this video from the same guy. Pretty damming on the temperature control.



TC test @29 mins

Now that the video has been watched in its entirety, I applaud Daniel for being the only REVIEWER out of the at least 25 or more who have posted reviews on this device to point out that the TC Mode on this device is an almost total failure. I am disappointed and appalled that he did not point out that this condition is DANGEROUS in the hands of an inexperienced user and deserves nothing less than an immediate cessation of manufacturing, an recall of all malfunctioning devices, and a public apology by Kangertech for rushing to market with a device without an adequate QC Program in place.

I feel that Kangertech rushing this unsafe device to market in this manner will unduely expose uneducated users to potential health risks from ingesting chemicals produced by overheated coils and greatly adversely affect the vaping communities fight with legislators all over the world for the unregulated availability of these devices to remain on the market.

When a manufacturer with the worldwide reputation of Kangertech releases an unsafe product to market in this manner with out an immediate recall, it will only provide the FDA, World Health Organizations and Legislators around the world with the ammunition they need to ban the availability of these devices altogether!

 

[drysprocket]

Yeah, I just cancelled my order for it. Too many issues for one product. I really hope they fix all this for version 2, or as others have said- I hope Joytech wakes up and makes a VTC Mini type version of this device and knocks em out.

 

[Tpat591]

Yeah, I just cancelled my order for it. Too many issues for one product. I really hope they fix all this for version 2, or as others have said- I hope Joytech wakes up and makes a VTC Mini type version of this device and knocks em out.

My personal guess is that Busardo & other Reviewers noticed the issues but contacted Kangertech to fix them immediately on the QT (which is why all reviews were issued as First looks and Unboxings rather than full reviews) so not to draw the attention of the FDA & Legislators after realizing the damage to the industry that could occur with a screw-up of this magnitude.

Why Kangertech allowed shipment of units already manufactured to distributors after the feedback from reviewers is completely beyond me. I'm convinced that the current delay in shipment being experienced is not due an inability to manufacturer fast enough, but an effort to find and repair the problem with TC implementation as quietly as possible before other units are shipped hoping no one will notice at the end of the month other than a relatively few very early adopters.

Daniel's release of this video at this time after sitting on the information since Oct 22nd (It took me less than 24 hours after receipt to realize the issue and announce. He delayed that long for a reason.), I believe, signals that Kangertech now believes they have solved the issue with TC implementation and is under active manufacturing of corrected units for distribution now. This might also explain why only SSOOC Nichrome coils are available for purchase and NI-200 ones are not. They simply didn't want them out there.

I'm just hoping that Blue unit Daniel showed in the video was not the unit version that Kangertech is producing now & Daniel just released his video to stop them.

 

[Bru2basics]

My personal guess is that Busardo & other Reviewers noticed the issues but contacted Kangertech to fix them immediately on the QT (which is why all reviews were issued as First looks and Unboxings rather than full reviews) so not to draw the attention of the FDA & Legislators after realizing the damage to the industry that could occur with a screw-up of this magnitude.

Why Kangertech allowed shipment of units already manufactured to distributors after the feedback from reviewers is completely beyond me. I'm convinced that the current delay in shipment being experienced is not due an inability to manufacturer fast enough, but an effort to find and repair the problem with TC implementation as quietly as possible before other units are shipped hoping no one will notice at the end of the month other than a relatively few very early adopters.

Daniel's release of this video at this time after sitting on the information since Oct 22nd (It took me less than 24 hours after receipt to realize the issue and announce. He delayed that long for a reason.), I believe, signals that Kangertech now believes they have solved the issue with TC implementation and is under active manufacturing of corrected units for distribution now. This might also explain why only SSOOC Nichrome coils are available for purchase and NI-200 ones are not. They simply didn't want them out there.

I'm just hoping that Blue unit Daniel showed in the video was not the unit version that Kangertech is producing now & Daniel just released his video to stop them.

For us early adopters though I don't see any course of action other than returning the devices as there is no firmware upgradability. What will you do Tpat591?

 

[Tpat591]

For us early adopters though I don't see any course of action other than returning the devices as there is no firmware upgradability. What will you do Tpat591?

As I said above, I believe a fix is in the works right now. I have the mod I ordered two days after this one backordered until the end of the month right now. That isn't just because they are selling so many of a very controversial and problem plagued mod. Hopefully it will be a two to three week delay and working units will arrive to a location near you.

I will probably use this until the Red one I ordered arrives & hopefully that one will work fine. Then I'll contact Breazy and tell them now that I have a working one I realized the early black one was malfunctioning right along and request replacement under warranty. Just have to check their return policy.

 

[Tpat591]

Screen grabs from Daniel's Video of the Temperature Control Bar Charts for Nebox if anyone needs these to prove the temperature Control is not working too well on this mod.

NI200 Mode:
sp: 300 deg f Actual: 1240 deg f
sp: 400 deg f Actual: 1240 deg f
sp: 450 deg f Actual: 876 deg f

TI T1 Mode:
sp: 300 deg f Actual: 1330 deg f
sp: 400 deg f Actual: 1120 deg f
sp: 450 deg f Actual: 974 deg f

 

[Bru2basics]

Screen grabs from Daniel's Video of the Temperature Control Bar Charts for Nebox if anyone needs these to prove the temperature Control is not working too well on this mod.

NI200 Mode:
sp: 300 deg f Actual: 1240 deg f
sp: 400 deg f Actual: 1240 deg f
sp: 450 deg f Actual: 876 deg f

View attachment 506110

TI T1 Mode:
sp: 300 deg f Actual: 1330 deg f
sp: 400 deg f Actual: 1120 deg f
sp: 450 deg f Actual: 974 deg f

View attachment 506112

Cheers for posting that up mate I will send these off to my supplier with my email in the morning.

Well just to confirm vaped mine dry today and kept firing it to see what happens and I now have a lovely white crusty titanium coil. What else can I say temperature protection/control is all I wanted in this mod so I ain't gonna keep it as another vw/vv mod! And to think they wanna let the Chinese build nuclear power stations in the uk!

 

[Tpat591]

Cheers for posting that up mate I will send these off to my supplier with my email in the morning.

Well just to confirm vaped mine dry today and kept firing it to see what happens and I now have a lovely white crusty titanium coil. What else can I say temperature protection/control is all I wanted in this mod so I ain't gonna keep it as another vw/vv mod! And to think they wanna let the Chinese build nuclear power stations in the uk!

I wouldn't have wasted a perfectly good coil testing that which I already knew would occur.

 

[Bru2basics]

I wouldn't have wasted a perfectly good coil testing that which I already knew would occur.

True but I now have a nice photo to send off with my email and an excuse to rebuild.

 

[Tpat591]

Post it if it is not too much trouble. Might help those that follow us illustrate the issues to their vendors!

 

[Bru2basics]

Post it if it is not too much trouble. Might help those that follow is illustrate the issues to their vendors!

Here it is, best I could get but the coil does look white and as you can see the cotton completely disintegrated. This was caused by pushing 40watts at 180°c.

This device if nothing is down right dangerous!

 

[Tpat591]

Post it in in other thread & respond to AtomizrOpin with your thoughts.

 

[Tpat591]

For us early adopters though I don't see any course of action other than returning the devices as there is no firmware upgradability. What will you do Tpat591?

Well I Just finished writing a very detailed email to my vendor's owner explaining my personal experience with the Nebox mod, attached Daniel's review video, charts and results. Saving pics of burnt coils for follow-up email if necessary.

I asked him to check with Kanger and ask if units that are intended to ship on 11/17 have been fixed with regard to TC problems or not. I explained danger and pointed out I was contacting him now to try to save him the cost to him of shipping out thousands of these units across America only to have to warranty them out at a later time due to manufacturer defects so he could take preemptive action to minimize the costs to his business he would incur due to Kanger's monumental screwup.

Told him I realized he has no units to swap it out with now and I was in no rush so long as he does swap it out a later time. Figured that was right way to approach it.

 

[Bru2basics]

Well I Just finished writing a very detailed email to my vendor's owner explaining my personal experience with the Nebox mod, attached Daniel's review video, charts and results. Saving pics of burnt coils for follow-up email if necessary.

I asked him to check with Kanger and ask if units that are intended to ship on 11/17 have been fixed with regard to TC problems or not. I explained danger and pointed out I was contacting him now to try to save him the cost to him of shipping out thousands of these units across America only to have to warranty them out at a later time due to manufacturer defects so he could take preemptive action to minimize the costs to his business he would incur due to Kanger's monumental screwup.

Told him I realized he has no units to swap it out with now and I was in no rush so long as he does swap it out a later time. Figured that was right way to approach it.

Yeah good approach to be a little laid back at this point as I think it's gonna take people a little while to catch up with us and realise that this aint a case of user error.

I've just had this reply from the vendor I emailed over the weekend and it seems to be a pretty typical response to test the water so to speak. I'm gonna throw everything I've got in an email now and hope that they have the sense to question kanger as it appears they know nothing of the issues YET!


Hi I am sorry to hear you are having issues with this, are you using the Kanger NI200 coils or are you building your own coils in the RBA section? Can you notice the resistance fluctuating? Please provide me with as much information as possible so I can assist you.

Regards
David

Hi David

I hope you will be able to help me, I'm experiencing some issues with the Nebox I received this week. It would appear to have some sort of defect in the software that is preventing the temperature control from working properly. I've experienced some rather concerning results when using the nebox with both ni200 and titanium regarding the temperature accuracy and indeed the ability of the mod to regulate the temperature correctly and has resulted in some very unpleasant dry hits and on one occasion Ti02 has formed on a titanium coil. As you are aware this is negating the entire point of temperature control. There are a number of reports on various forums of this occurring and I feel that Kangertech will need contacting about this matter to see if they are aware and if so what they intend to do about it. I've included a link to a review that has just come to light showing some of the issues I've described.


Any info I get back or find on the web I will post back here or should we be starting a dedicated thread so that we don't get into a mess like the vtc thread?

 

[Tpat591]

Yeah good approach to be a little laid back at this point as I think it's gonna take people a little while to catch up with us and realise that this aint a case of user error.

I've just had this reply from the vendor I emailed over the weekend and it seems to be a pretty typical response to test the water so to speak. I'm gonna throw everything I've got in an email now and hope that they have the sense to question kanger as it appears they know nothing of the issues YET!


Hi I am sorry to hear you are having issues with this, are you using the Kanger NI200 coils or are you building your own coils in the RBA section? Can you notice the resistance fluctuating? Please provide me with as much information as possible so I can assist you.

Regards
David

Hi David

I hope you will be able to help me, I'm experiencing some issues with the Nebox I received this week. It would appear to have some sort of defect in the software that is preventing the temperature control from working properly. I've experienced some rather concerning results when using the nebox with both ni200 and titanium regarding the temperature accuracy and indeed the ability of the mod to regulate the temperature correctly and has resulted in some very unpleasant dry hits and on one occasion Ti02 has formed on a titanium coil. As you are aware this is negating the entire point of temperature control. There are a number of reports on various forums of this occurring and I feel that Kangertech will need contacting about this matter to see if they are aware and if so what they intend to do about it. I've included a link to a review that has just come to light showing some of the issues I've described.


Any info I get back or find on the web I will post back here or should we be starting a dedicated thread so that we don't get into a mess like the vtc thread?

PMed my email to my vendor to you in case anything might help you in response.

 

[SanFranAndy]

So I really like the Nebox, especially when I'm out and about. I'm using the RBA deck and the flavor/vapor is good but I cannot get it to stop the huge thud/pop when I first fire it up.. It's super annoying. Anyone have advice? I've tried putting more or less cotton and I am lost.