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Hi all,

Former Halo Triton vaper, recently stepped up to a innokin Itaste SVD and Protank 2. After reading this entire thread, I went to my local b&m and picked up some Kanthal 32g and 3mm silica and had at it. Had some initial issues with grounding the wires at the bottom, but I've just successfully rebuilt a coil! Approx. 5/6 wraps, reading 2.3 ohms. Vapes clean and like a dream!
 

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I've noticed that in the 12 hours since I rebuilt the coil , my resistance is lowering. I don't have any kind of multimeter, just the svd's built in sensor. Started at 2.3 ohm, within an hour or two down to 2.0, and periodically through the night down to 1.9, etc. as of now I'm at 1.7. No burning taste/smell at all, and I haven't removed the coil from the tank. Thoughts?
 

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As a quick add on, I just did a top off, and removed the coil, rinsed it, and did a dry burn. Out of my 6 wraps, only the 4 middle ones are firing. Idk if the ones on the edge are too close. Resistance is still the same.

Update: Took the head apart and used a cleaned paperclip to move the end coils in a bit more. Dry burned, and I have one additional coil firing, resistance is back up to 2.4-2.5
 
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As a quick add on, I just did a top off, and removed the coil, rinsed it, and did a dry burn. Out of my 6 wraps, only the 4 middle ones are firing. Idk if the ones on the edge are too close. Resistance is still the same.

Update: Took the head apart and used a cleaned paperclip to move the end coils in a bit more. Dry burned, and I have one additional coil firing, resistance is back up to 2.4-2.5

I think it isn't going to be quite right unless you can get all coils to fire. But it is nice that it is working right now!! 2.4-2.5 is not bad at all.
 

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I think it isn't going to be quite right unless you can get all coils to fire. But it is nice that it is working right now!! 2.4-2.5 is not bad at all.

I figured this much. I need to go back to the vape shop and get some more wire. I only bought 2 feet because I wasn't sure how difficult it'd be. I've only got a little bit left, as my first 3 attempts failed miserably. I'm going to buy 3-4 more feet, and have at it again. If I have better luck, i'll go onto ebay or amazon and get a 100ft spool. I sincerely want to thank everyone who contributed to this thread, a true example of that makes this place great!
 

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I bought 100 feet of 32g Kanthal directly from Temco for $4.54 with free shipping. Took about five days for it to get from California to Michigan. There's a local shop here that sells it, when they told me they were selling it at $1 per foot, I had a hard time keeping a straight face.

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EXACTLY! Same for me, .99 a foot. I don't think this shop would knowingly rip people off, for the most part their prices are very fair. Wick goes for the same, but i haven't seen too much of a difference online. I only bought 2 ft of wire just to see if I could actually rebuild the coil. Figured I wouldn't have much need for the other 98 feet if it was too difficult..
 

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I've noticed that in the 12 hours since I rebuilt the coil , my resistance is lowering. I don't have any kind of multimeter, just the svd's built in sensor. Started at 2.3 ohm, within an hour or two down to 2.0, and periodically through the night down to 1.9, etc. as of now I'm at 1.7. No burning taste/smell at all, and I haven't removed the coil from the tank. Thoughts?

First, congrats to both you and chapel for your progress. The answer, sure, you likely have some moisture affecting your 510 connection. Check for leaking at your pin on the mod (Check it, it may be slight. Dry it out.). You likely have some seep-through from the tank. It's like a car battery, any moisture on it will affect engine firing. That's why you isolate posts with a moisture repellant like a silicone based compound. Well, same principle here. You don't want this common phenomenon affecting your evaluation of your builds. And the simplest way to keep this beast under control, once you've started to make your build tight, is to keep it dry — Blow out the wick ends!

If you do find that kind of moisture and before you ditch that coil in the drink or the trash check and see if the coil is skewed. If you tighten the tank too much the grommets get slippery when wet. If the tank is screwed down too tight the tight pin-to-pin contact of the tank to the mod can twist the grommet, then the leads and then obviously twist the coil sideways. You would see a moderate change of your resistance each time you topped off and reinstalled, eventually a short. It does rather sound like this. And it's common.

If that doesn't work for ya breidt hail us again, will ya?

Good luck.

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First, congrats to both you and chapel for your progress. The answer, sure, you likely have some moisture affecting your 510 connection. Check for leaking at your pin on the mod (Check it, it may be slight. Dry it out.). You likely have some seep-through from the tank. It's like a car battery, any moisture on it will affect engine firing. That's why you isolate posts with a moisture repellant like a silicone based compound. Well, same principle here. You don't want this common phenomenon affecting your evaluation of your builds. And the simplest way to keep this beast under control, once you've started to make your build tight, is to keep it dry — Blow out the wick ends!

If you do find that kind of moisture and before you ditch that coil in the drink or the trash check and see if the coil is skewed. If you tighten the tank too much the grommets get slippery when wet. If the tank is screwed down too tight the tight pin-to-pin contact of the tank to the mod can twist the grommet, then the leads and then obviously twist the coil sideways. You would see a moderate change of your resistance each time you topped off and reinstalled, eventually a short. It does rather sound like this. And it's common.

If that doesn't work for ya breidt hail us again, will ya?

Good luck.

:)
Mac, quite an interesting write up you linked me to. I've done blow outs before when rinsing out the coil, but not to that extent. So for sure, when I do my next top off in a bit, I will try that and report back here. Since slightly adjusting the wraps a bit last night, I've noticed my resistance stays fairly consistent at 2.1 ohms now. I have noticed some condensation and moisture on the mod pin before, and try to make a point of cleaning it off with an alcohol pad. Thank you again for linking me to that write up!
 

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Mac, quite an interesting write up you linked me to. I've done blow outs before when rinsing out the coil, but not to that extent. So for sure, when I do my next top off in a bit, I will try that and report back here. Since slightly adjusting the wraps a bit last night, I've noticed my resistance stays fairly consistent at 2.1 ohms now. I have noticed some condensation and moisture on the mod pin before, and try to make a point of cleaning it off with an alcohol pad. Thank you again for linking me to that write up!

No worries. Just trying to get folks thru to real vape joy. This is an older thread. Started before the microcoil came about and became more popular. Loose hand winding just does not deliver what this equipment is capable of. Not by a long shot. And neither you nor I would drop a dime for a modern piece of electronics that we found a hand wound coil in. Think about it. I suggested a new method less than two months ago for quickly winding a proper electrical coil in less than 30 seconds you can drop right in. You might want to check my blog if you have a few and see it done.

You'll be likin' it.

Good luck.

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No worries. Just trying to get folks thru to real vape joy. This is an older thread. Started before the microcoil came about and became more popular. Loose hand winding just does not deliver what this equipment is capable of. Not by a long shot. And neither you nor I would drop a dime for a modern piece of electronics that we found a hand wound coil in. Think about it. I suggested a new method less than two months ago for quickly winding a proper electrical coil in less than 30 seconds you can drop right in. You might want to check my blog if you have a few and see it done.

You'll be likin' it.

Good luck.

:)
Mac,

I've had a look around your blog, and the microcoil building thread you linked me to. I'm reading and reading, and thinking i'm understanding what I am reading, and then a photo is posted! I just wanted to check a few things out with you, make sure i'm understanding correctly.

As I understand, a "microcoil" is wrapped w/ a small diameter drill bit, most commonly I see '1/16th. The coil loops are touching one another, and there's approx. 8-11 total loops, VERY TIGHT. Afterwards, some sort of wicking media is threaded into the coil, the legs of the coil are pulled down tightly and grounded like normal. Is this about right?

My handwound coils have been built w/ 3mm silica as the wicking media. I thought that I had read somewhere using this diameter of wick would help prevent flooding, and in part, help eliminate the need for flavor wicks. As the first coil I sucessfully built is starting to have some issues w/ a tight draw, i'm now not so sure about it. Can you recommend a good wick diameter to use to afford me somewhat normal draw and possibly eliminate flooding?

Would using a larger diameter drill bit afford me any benefit?


I have about 2-3 feet of wick left, but no more wire. However, I have a 100ft spool of 32g Kanthal A1 on the way to me from Temco.

Thanks in advance for your help!
 

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Mac,

I've had a look around your blog, and the microcoil building thread you linked me to. I'm reading and reading, and thinking i'm understanding what I am reading, and then a photo is posted! I just wanted to check a few things out with you, make sure i'm understanding correctly.

As I understand, a "microcoil" is wrapped w/ a small diameter drill bit, most commonly I see '1/16th. The coil loops are touching one another, and there's approx. 8-11 total loops, VERY TIGHT. Afterwards, some sort of wicking media is threaded into the coil, the legs of the coil are pulled down tightly and grounded like normal. Is this about right?

My handwound coils have been built w/ 3mm silica as the wicking media. I thought that I had read somewhere using this diameter of wick would help prevent flooding, and in part, help eliminate the need for flavor wicks. As the first coil I sucessfully built is starting to have some issues w/ a tight draw, i'm now not so sure about it. Can you recommend a good wick diameter to use to afford me somewhat normal draw and possibly eliminate flooding?

Would using a larger diameter drill bit afford me any benefit?


I have about 2-3 feet of wick left, but no more wire. However, I have a 100ft spool of 32g Kanthal A1 on the way to me from Temco.

Thanks in advance for your help!

It's about temperature (watts) breid. You want to find the right temperature for the juice you like. What brings out the best of its flavor and vapor. The resistance you select determines what's required as answers to your questions. Once you decide on a starting point, I suggest 2.2Ω as a reasonable center-point then you know what coil diameter you'll need. I post wind results tables in the
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html thread. There you'll see that you can use 1/16" and 1.75mm (approx). as a coil diameter to reach 2.2Ω resistance. Nice light fast firing and energy efficient coil wind. It's not as durable as 31, 30 or 29 but you can achieve similar vaping results with the TEMCO 32 you're getting

Using a large diameter like 3mm may be fine for a hand wind but it's not efficient. It's susceptible to shorts because it can't be stabilized. It's irregular and so will the coil be you wind on it. Turns that don't conform to the wick get very hot where contact is lost and the wetness of the wick does not cool it. This junks up the coil. You get increasingly a worsening vape, and yes, flooding. So win a clearo. Generally the bigger the wick the more power you can apply and theoretically more vapor (and possibly flavor). But what good is filling up the slot in a clearo if your vape is bad and wet? No there is little advantage in a clearo.

In Protanks and most clearos the width of the slot is only 1.8mm so that limits the coil size. Why? Because you can't keep the coil on the bit or screwdriver shank as you drop it into the assembly. You really want to do that as you want to use the screwdriver to help stabilize the coil during installation so it isn't distorted. If it is skewed or turns altered in shape you get the above…bad vape and flood again. If you can't stabilize it it's harder to terminate the leads at the post on the bottom, again bad vape. This thread really is very helpful in demonstrating what's needed.

So I would recommend a .07" (roughly 1.8mm or sometimes called 3/43") screwdriver. This will allow you to wind with hand tension and get a near perfect coil from the beginning. You won't need to torch it, scrunch it, etc. Just keep it on the drill bit, set it at the bottom of the slot and terminate the leads as best as possible in the direction that they exit the coil (not touching each other or the walls of the assembly). Once installed and before you wick it, you can put it on a mod and dry fire it. This completes the process of completing the coil by oxidizing it's surface. I'm sure you've seen the videos of how it lights up from the center. And it will, usually the first time if you've used enough tension. It gets much easier with practice.

Don't hesitate to throw out the effort if it doesn't look perfect. It takes minutes to do it again. Hours if fiddling if you try to wrestle a bad coil or set to make it work. It won't. Ever.

For the wick, it's hard. Cotton is easy to introduce but hard to get the balance of density and you must use a flavor wick. There's Nextel XC-132 my current favorite for clearo's and most tanks. It's the closest to cotton and the most neutral synthetic but it's expensive. It will however potentially last months, at least many weeks of rewashing once installed in the coil. It's seconds to thread it. Ekowool is good too but much more difficult to thread 1.5mm Eko into 1/16 than you may imagine. Silica is practically impossible to thread but it can be done with patience. Try each. Decide what works for you in effort and flavor result. Then decide which coil size you prefer as you test the options.

This will be a few weeks of practice, trial and error. But not the months I've seen so many go through. You will have a huge advantage if you start by making a contact microcoil with tension. It will be as perfect as some of the photos you've probably seen with very little effort. And it will be durable. My Nextel wicks last now about two weeks with the "blow out" refill maintenance I use. I soak them in a pyrex glass with hot water. Reinstall in a base and dry burn them, reinstall and go. Some of those coil assemblies last many weeks.

Basically this is a starting point. I hope I've answered most of your questions. LMK how you make out and if you need help.

Good luck.

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It's about temperature (watts) breid. You want to find the right temperature for the juice you like. What brings out the best of its flavor and vapor. The resistance you select determines what's required as answers to your questions. Once you decide on a starting point, I suggest 2.2Ω as a reasonable center-point then you know what coil diameter you'll need. I post wind results tables in the
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/clearomizers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html thread. There you'll see that you can use 1/16" and 1.75mm (approx). as a coil diameter to reach 2.2Ω resistance. Nice light fast firing and energy efficient coil wind. It's not as durable as 31, 30 or 29 but you can achieve similar vaping results with the TEMCO 32 you're getting

Using a large diameter like 3mm may be fine for a hand wind but it's not efficient. It's susceptible to shorts because it can't be stabilized. It's irregular and so will the coil be you wind on it. Turns that don't conform to the wick get very hot where contact is lost and the wetness of the wick does not cool it. This junks up the coil. You get increasingly a worsening vape, and yes, flooding. So win a clearo. Generally the bigger the wick the more power you can apply and theoretically more vapor (and possibly flavor). But what good is filling up the slot in a clearo if your vape is bad and wet? No there is little advantage in a clearo.

In Protanks and most clearos the width of the slot is only 1.8mm so that limits the coil size. Why? Because you can't keep the coil on the bit or screwdriver shank as you drop it into the assembly. You really want to do that as you want to use the screwdriver to help stabilize the coil during installation so it isn't distorted. If it is skewed or turns altered in shape you get the above…bad vape and flood again. If you can't stabilize it it's harder to terminate the leads at the post on the bottom, again bad vape. This thread really is very helpful in demonstrating what's needed.

So I would recommend a .07" (roughly 1.8mm or sometimes called 3/43") screwdriver. This will allow you to wind with hand tension and get a near perfect coil from the beginning. You won't need to torch it, scrunch it, etc. Just keep it on the drill bit, set it at the bottom of the slot and terminate the leads as best as possible in the direction that they exit the coil (not touching each other or the walls of the assembly). Once installed and before you wick it, you can put it on a mod and dry fire it. This completes the process of completing the coil by oxidizing it's surface. I'm sure you've seen the videos of how it lights up from the center. And it will, usually the first time if you've used enough tension. It gets much easier with practice.

Don't hesitate to throw out the effort if it doesn't look perfect. It takes minutes to do it again. Hours if fiddling if you try to wrestle a bad coil or set to make it work. It won't. Ever.

For the wick, it's hard. Cotton is easy to introduce but hard to get the balance of density and you must use a flavor wick. There's Nextel XC-132 my current favorite for clearo's and most tanks. It's the closest to cotton and the most neutral synthetic but it's expensive. It will however potentially last months, at least many weeks of rewashing once installed in the coil. It's seconds to thread it. Ekowool is good too but much more difficult to thread 1.5mm Eko into 1/16 than you may imagine. Silica is practically impossible to thread but it can be done with patience. Try each. Decide what works for you in effort and flavor result. Then decide which coil size you prefer as you test the options.

This will be a few weeks of practice, trial and error. But not the months I've seen so many go through. You will have a huge advantage if you start by making a contact microcoil with tension. It will be as perfect as some of the photos you've probably seen with very little effort. And it will be durable. My Nextel wicks last now about two weeks with the "blow out" refill maintenance I use. I soak them in a pyrex glass with hot water. Reinstall in a base and dry burn them, reinstall and go. Some of those coil assemblies last many weeks.

Basically this is a starting point. I hope I've answered most of your questions. LMK how you make out and if you need help.

Good luck.

:)
Mac, once again, I appreciate you taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge.

I had a look at the Nextel stuff you referred to.... $7 a foot? Yikes..... I'll have to give that a go at some point in the near future. Amazingly, my 100ft of wire from Temco is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (4 days from CA to MD). I think Friday, I'll have to go buy a drill bit or something of the like to wrap with, and cotton. If I can get cotton to work, then I'd be happy, given it's relative cheapness and how many wicks I could build from one bag. I've heard from others that organic cotton is the way to go, is that about right? You mentioned the need for flavor wicks w/ cotton, I assume these would be made from cotton as well, or possibly some of the 3mm silica I have sitting around? I expect to be posting photos and reports of my first microcoil sometime Friday evening or so, so until then, thank you once again!
 

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Mac, once again, I appreciate you taking the time to share your wealth of knowledge.

I had a look at the Nextel stuff you referred to.... $7 a foot? Yikes..... I'll have to give that a go at some point in the near future. Amazingly, my 100ft of wire from Temco is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (4 days from CA to MD). I think Friday, I'll have to go buy a drill bit or something of the like to wrap with, and cotton. If I can get cotton to work, then I'd be happy, given it's relative cheapness and how many wicks I could build from one bag. I've heard from others that organic cotton is the way to go, is that about right? You mentioned the need for flavor wicks w/ cotton, I assume these would be made from cotton as well, or possibly some of the 3mm silica I have sitting around? I expect to be posting photos and reports of my first microcoil sometime Friday evening or so, so until then, thank you once again!

For purposes of relevance I'm replying to you on this thread where I'm more active…

Post #218: Protank Cotton Rebuild, the way I do it; Protank wick media, coil and bit diameters

CYA there. Good luck

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I'm noticing that the grommets are getting burned/melted by the legs of the coils I'm building. Is this normal, or something that can be prevented? If so, is there some common mistake in coil building that causes this?

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You are experiencing a marginal short, i.e. electrons following the path of least resistance to an exposed cooler area of the coil. A loose turn or as in this instance perhaps a separated end turn which is cooler and so electrons flow to it in abundance and overheat it. Once that process begins it tends to continue until scorching or junking up of the coil in that area occurs.

You can save yourself tons of time, weeks or months, by learning about proper electrical coils. You might take a peek at my blog as I suggested to emtbreid earlier in this thread. He's made great progress in the meantime. Take a few to check out my first blog post to start. This will help you keep your atomizer clean and dry. The http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html will start you on the approaches to doing a stable build on a Protank or equivalent (open) coil assembly.

The videos by super_X_drifter, the originator of the contact microcoil, on my tension winding method will have you making perfect coils in minutes. And that's the ammunition you need to get shorts and resulting bad draw, flooding, burned taste, etc. under control.

Don't delay, it will cost you time and money. Been there.

Good luck.

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You are experiencing a marginal short, i.e. electrons following the path of least resistance to an exposed cooler area of the coil. A loose turn or as in this instance perhaps a separated end turn which is cooler and so electrons flow to it in abundance and overheat it. Once that process begins it tends to continue until scorching or junking up of the coil in that area occurs.

You can save yourself tons of time, weeks or months, by learning about proper electrical coils. You might take a peek at my blog as I suggested to emtbreid earlier in this thread. He's made great progress in the meantime. Take a few to check out my first blog post to start. This will help you keep your atomizer clean and dry. The http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/463771-protank-cotton-rebuild-way-i-do.html will start you on the approaches to doing a stable build on a Protank or equivalent (open) coil assembly.

The videos by super_X_drifter, the originator of the contact microcoil, on my tension winding method will have you making perfect coils in minutes. And that's the ammunition you need to get shorts and resulting bad draw, flooding, burned taste, etc. under control.

Don't delay, it will cost you time and money. Been there.

Good luck.

:)
Great advice !
 
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