What annoys me is that he did a review on the Kbox mini before he did a review on the nebox. I know I contacted him with my thoughts on Nebox. I know you did as well. He sat on the Nebox review since Oct 5. He knew there were issues so he just chooses not to review it thereby sparing his integrity vs an honest review of what is before him. Up until now I was a fan and I thought a person he shared a confidence or two with. I'm livid with his treatment, or should I say lack of treatment with Nebox. Had a lit of respect for that man....It is gone now!Well guys and gals just watched Busardo do a review on the kbox mini top box and it would appear going by the numbers that the board has been revised since they released the nebox. TC seems to work all fine and dandy (still no firmware upgradability ). Looks like the nebox owners were the beta testers. Annoyed as it fitted the bill perfect for work but I've resigned mine to the draw now as it's stopped reading even the kanthal coils correctly. On the plus side got 2 more vtc mini's on the cheap and the missus got me a belt holster so no worries about crushing tanks in my pocket on site anymore.
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This thought went through my head for a moment too...but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I can't imagine this is due to him not wanting to piss off kanger etc. He's obviously a busy guy, and I think it's most likely he's just moving on the newest thing.
He only really ends up reviewing a handful of mods that come out. I do wish he would have said that the Nebox failed at some point just to get the word out, but he's got a lot on his place. I hear you though, but if we can't trust Phil, we're so truly effed that it doesn't matter
With all due respect, both Bru2asis & I explicitly asked him in private communications to use his contacts to solve these issues under the table and if he had no progress to put it out there that there was a major issue for the good of the community.This thought went through my head for a moment too...but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I can't imagine this is due to him not wanting to piss off kanger etc. He's obviously a busy guy, and I think it's most likely he's just moving on the newest thing.
He only really ends up reviewing a handful of mods that come out. I do wish he would have said that the Nebox failed at some point just to get the word out, but he's got a lot on his place. I hear you though, but if we can't trust Phil, we're so truly effed that it doesn't matter
Fully expected him to tell us to email this guy to seek warranty replacement with a fully tested and working unit. He chose instead to suppress this timely feedback in favor of ignoring these facts and refusing to publish a review at all. In my opinion a refusal to produce a negative review in favor of none at all is the worst thing a reviewer can do. In no uncertain terms that is exactly what he did and in no uncertain terms he lost my respect for him in doing so. I will also ask @Bru2basics to chime in with his thoughts at this time.
I will say they did stop the production line and instituted a fix. That fix stabilized Temp control for the most part while fluid was in the tank. Once that tank empties, you are on your own. I hope you do not burn your cotton and melt your coil. Much luck and god be with you!
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Morning all, well seems to me, that it seems to be a classic case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you! Given that he has only just posted a warning on taste you juice regarding the possible negative health effects of the target ceramic coils releasing magnesium oxide. I can see only one reason of not warning the community of the proven failure and known production of titanium dioxide that will occur if using the nebox. Shame on Mr Busardo as like so many others I respected and valued his information and opinions. I completely understand that he is inundated with work but he is the creator of his own situation and has bestowed this responsibility upon himself. I and Tpat591 presented him with hard facts that he has chosen to ignore but like all the other avenues we have used to try and get this warning out it has been swept under the carpet.
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Managed to finally get some replacement SSOCC coils today. Got the nickel in the subtank mini and its miles better then the old horizontal coils. I'll try the Clapton coil on the Nebox, as im still hoping to use it in non TC mode when I'm skiing or mountain biking.
Wonder if they will release another version of the Nebox though. Maybe Nebox platinum, with the same chip as the topbox platinum edition. I'd consider this if the leaking issues were fixed.
Wonder if they will release another version of the Nebox though. Maybe Nebox platinum, with the same chip as the topbox platinum edition. I'd consider this if the leaking issues were fixed.
Im having major leaking issues with the SSOCC coil I'm my subtank min, So maybe the leakage issues I was having with the Nebox are due to the coils rather than the unit itself.
They are. Has to do with the early production coils having mis-machined lands on the o-ring grooves or just improperly sized o-ring installed on them(not sure which). Kanger told people who were having this problem in the early days to switch to an original square occ and that solved most issues. They have supposedly corrected this in subsequent manufacturing runs.
However leaking can occur even with good o-rings caused when usb charging the battery with unit in an upright position as the battery will heat up when charging (especially if it was severely discharged prior) warming and therefore expanding of the ejuice in the tank while charging. The fix for this was to pull your drip tip and invert the unit while charging or for long therm storage with juice in it as it will not leak when inverted (some condensation may ooze from drip tip orifice, but not much).
If my battery heats quite a bit when charging it will ooze a bit from the atty base, but only once was it a considerable amount (a ml or so). My fix was usually to vape off it a few times during charging to consume some of the volume of expansion.
However leaking can occur even with good o-rings caused when usb charging the battery with unit in an upright position as the battery will heat up when charging (especially if it was severely discharged prior) warming and therefore expanding of the ejuice in the tank while charging. The fix for this was to pull your drip tip and invert the unit while charging or for long therm storage with juice in it as it will not leak when inverted (some condensation may ooze from drip tip orifice, but not much).
If my battery heats quite a bit when charging it will ooze a bit from the atty base, but only once was it a considerable amount (a ml or so). My fix was usually to vape off it a few times during charging to consume some of the volume of expansion.
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Hey guys, happened on this via a Google search.
Long story short I got my wife an Nebox from a local shop (at much higher cost than what folks have been posted here I might add) for Christmas last month. I thought I was doing good and her drastic smoking cutdown seemed to back that up.
Reading here though I have become panicked. I hate to ask but could someone sum up the issue they have, what causes it, and how to avoid him. My worse fear : is it causing her serious health issues? That is what I was trying to get her away from.
Any and all insight greatly appreciated!!
-Stew
Long story short I got my wife an Nebox from a local shop (at much higher cost than what folks have been posted here I might add) for Christmas last month. I thought I was doing good and her drastic smoking cutdown seemed to back that up.
Reading here though I have become panicked. I hate to ask but could someone sum up the issue they have, what causes it, and how to avoid him. My worse fear : is it causing her serious health issues? That is what I was trying to get her away from.
Any and all insight greatly appreciated!!
-Stew
Deep breaths. Don't panic. A drastic reduction in smoking is a good thing to be proud of. Main thing to know is don't let the tank run dry on a NI200 or Ti coil.Hey guys, happened on this via a Google search.
Long story short I got my wife an Nebox from a local shop (at much higher cost than what folks have been posted here I might add) for Christmas last month. I thought I was doing good and her drastic smoking cutdown seemed to back that up.
Reading here though I have become panicked. I hate to ask but could someone sum up the issue they have, what causes it, and how to avoid him. My worse fear : is it causing her serious health issues? That is what I was trying to get her away from.
Any and all insight greatly appreciated!!
-Stew
I assume your wife is inexperienced and that is grounds for some concern, but it is assumed she has not experienced any major issues with the tank running dry and the coil burning up on her yet. So long as she learns about how to use nebox safely there is no reason to think she cannot continue to use it safely for years to come.
The TC implementation in early neboxes was flawed in a rush to market. The devices did not read coil resistance accurately allowing the mod to severely overpower the coil for the temperature setting and was highly unstable with temps all over the map no matter what the setting.
Later models are much more reliable and stable but temperatures can skyrocket to unsafe levels if the tank is allowed to run dry--something that absolutely should not happen in a temperature controlled mod and that is the crux of the issue. In This video Daniel touches on the issue, but downplays the concerns way too much for my liking. He was the only reviewer out of 35 to point this out.
I'll need some more info from you about how your wife has been using nebox. Most beginners will start using the device in temp control then switch to kanthal/nichrome power mode after the first coil is used up because temp control seems too complicated to use - especially if it was an early one with the flawed implementation.
How has she been using the device? If she is using NI200 mode has she found the device controllable and stable in TC Mode or does it fluctuate uncontrollably with her receiving burnt tasting hits intermittently? I assume not or you would have heard about it by now.
The nice thing is that her cotton should burn long before her coil burns and give her a reason not to continue heating the coil and vaping so it is highly unlikely she is going to suffer any detrimental health issues what-so-ever from using the device so you can relax a bit - ok?
Later models are much more reliable and stable but temperatures can skyrocket to unsafe levels if the tank is allowed to run dry--something that absolutely should not happen in a temperature controlled mod and that is the crux of the issue. In This video Daniel touches on the issue, but downplays the concerns way too much for my liking. He was the only reviewer out of 35 to point this out.
I'll need some more info from you about how your wife has been using nebox. Most beginners will start using the device in temp control then switch to kanthal/nichrome power mode after the first coil is used up because temp control seems too complicated to use - especially if it was an early one with the flawed implementation.
How has she been using the device? If she is using NI200 mode has she found the device controllable and stable in TC Mode or does it fluctuate uncontrollably with her receiving burnt tasting hits intermittently? I assume not or you would have heard about it by now.
The nice thing is that her cotton should burn long before her coil burns and give her a reason not to continue heating the coil and vaping so it is highly unlikely she is going to suffer any detrimental health issues what-so-ever from using the device so you can relax a bit - ok?
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I'll have to try and check to get some answers to your questions without alarming her. I mentioned it a bit earlier and she said she hoped there wasn't an issue to turn her off e-cigs....
I do know she has burnt through all the cotton on the could before. Once she went to the store and they seemed a little surprised at what it had done. They sold her new could and she has changed could once or twice since then...
Is there just a similar but better option I need to buy her?
I do know she has burnt through all the cotton on the could before. Once she went to the store and they seemed a little surprised at what it had done. They sold her new could and she has changed could once or twice since then...
Is there just a similar but better option I need to buy her?
The Egrip VT is really the only other all-in-one Temperature Controlled mod out there right now. Egrips are built well and just feel like high quality devices. The VT Temperature Control version is very new on the market and very few exist in the wild right now. Sadly I have heard of two failures with them just dying suddenly (growing pains like the early neboxes). I trust Joyetech's Temperature Control implementation from the Evic VTC (great mod) and I own 6 earlier version Egrips. The downsides of Egrip are Limited Battery life (4-6hrs on non TC version), non replaceable battery and limited airflow.
Nebox vapes better than Egrip for my style lately (much more airflow), but when I first quit, Egrip was more than adequate. Even though I was the 3rd person to to point out the failings of Nebox TC on this thread and have returned one for a warranty replacement, I have 4 of then I use daily and probably use them as much, or more than any other mods I own. They are all always in my pockets when I walk out the front door & I often reach past my DNA200 and Grab a vape off my Nebox. The capacity can't be beat, the included RBA allows great user flexibility and cost savings on coils, and a changeable 18650 for swapouts in the field are great improvements IMO.
Here is a Video on the Egrip VT (I have not used this device myself):
They can be purchased here but expect a 2-3week wait for delivery: 30W Joyetech eGrip OLED VT Kit - 1500mAh - $41.99
Thread: eGrip VT
I do own 3 Evic VTCs and love them--These are great firmware update-able mods for beginners and veterans alike:
Older Version: eVic VTC Mini by JoyeTech $39.95 - $49.95
Newer Version: eVic VTC Mini with Tron-S Kit by JoyeTech $49.99
If you have read this thread you are probably aware I have been lobbying Joyetech to build a larger Firmware upgrade-able Egrip VTC using the Evic VTC control panel that will compete directly with Nebox and hopefully outshine it. Sadly that has not happened yet & may not happen at all.
Other options in the size range are the Athena 17 & 22 which allow users to use tanks. Never used one myself. Neither use replaceable batteries.
$36.07 Authentic ATHENA eNVy17 35W 2100mAh VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 2-35W / aluminum + zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$45.60 Authentic ATHENA eNVy22 75W 3200mAh TC VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 5-75W / 100-300'C (200-600'F) / aluminum + zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Nebox vapes better than Egrip for my style lately (much more airflow), but when I first quit, Egrip was more than adequate. Even though I was the 3rd person to to point out the failings of Nebox TC on this thread and have returned one for a warranty replacement, I have 4 of then I use daily and probably use them as much, or more than any other mods I own. They are all always in my pockets when I walk out the front door & I often reach past my DNA200 and Grab a vape off my Nebox. The capacity can't be beat, the included RBA allows great user flexibility and cost savings on coils, and a changeable 18650 for swapouts in the field are great improvements IMO.
Here is a Video on the Egrip VT (I have not used this device myself):
They can be purchased here but expect a 2-3week wait for delivery: 30W Joyetech eGrip OLED VT Kit - 1500mAh - $41.99
Thread: eGrip VT
I do own 3 Evic VTCs and love them--These are great firmware update-able mods for beginners and veterans alike:
Older Version: eVic VTC Mini by JoyeTech $39.95 - $49.95
Newer Version: eVic VTC Mini with Tron-S Kit by JoyeTech $49.99
If you have read this thread you are probably aware I have been lobbying Joyetech to build a larger Firmware upgrade-able Egrip VTC using the Evic VTC control panel that will compete directly with Nebox and hopefully outshine it. Sadly that has not happened yet & may not happen at all.
Other options in the size range are the Athena 17 & 22 which allow users to use tanks. Never used one myself. Neither use replaceable batteries.
$36.07 Authentic ATHENA eNVy17 35W 2100mAh VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 2-35W / aluminum + zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
$45.60 Authentic ATHENA eNVy22 75W 3200mAh TC VW Variable Wattage APV Box Mod - 5-75W / 100-300'C (200-600'F) / aluminum + zinc alloy at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
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Just use the regular occ coils (not titanium or ni200) in wattage mode, try not to run it dry, and she'll be totally fine. The temp control works as it should on my device, but on some it does not. For a beginner, just skip that function of the device in case your device is one of the sketchy ones.
From a health standpoint, even the very worst e-cigs are far safer than smoking, so don't worry about that.
From a health standpoint, even the very worst e-cigs are far safer than smoking, so don't worry about that.
Personally I think it is better to encourage the use temperature control for beginners both to learn how it is supposed to work and to determine if the device is indeed malfunctioning. Kanger requires authorized vendors to perform warranty replacement of malfunctioning devices and you are much better off doing so while you are still under warranty rather than incurring the cost of replacing the mod at a later time.
I do encourage beginners not to be afraid to spend a little money on different types of devices, both to have at least one backup mod and to learn that all devices are different in their own way. The only way you will find what works best to keep you off the stinkies is to try more than one device. For the cost of 4 packs of cigarettes you can buy some really good devices today.
I do encourage beginners not to be afraid to spend a little money on different types of devices, both to have at least one backup mod and to learn that all devices are different in their own way. The only way you will find what works best to keep you off the stinkies is to try more than one device. For the cost of 4 packs of cigarettes you can buy some really good devices today.
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Don't know if anyone has seen this but someone on Reddit posted a Cure for the leaky Nebox: So your NEBOX leaks? Not anymore. Issue identified, easy fix found. • /r/electronic_cigarette
Yeah, I made a post of my own with the NEBOX issues and they never approved it. They just seem to pretend the units are fine.... Just like most the reviewers did that I watched before buying one.
The online shop I got mine from had me send it back for them to look into. They eventually gave me store credit for the amount I paid for the NEBOX after running some tests on it and determined it was janky. They actually called me and spoke to me about it. I asked them how many returns and complaints they were getting about the NEBOX, and they said quite a few. So much that they were going to no longer carry the NEBOX at all on their site.
I'm hoping someone like pioneer4you comes out with a all in one device like this. It's a great idea, but kanger screwed it up major. I'm not sure if the newer units have fixed the issues, but I'm not taking another chance. I probably won't be taking any chances with kanger products in the near future. They seem to not have good warranty's, customer service, or treat shops that buy their products well at all either. A few shops in my area refuse to sell their products because it's such a hassle dealing with them.
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definitely a bad business model from a high profile vendor. Why reviewers & the community allow the behavior is beyond me. They still will warranty out any malfunctioning units which I will give them credit for as it is more than some of the other big names will do if you bought it from an unapproved vendor. They however are counting on people not wanting to bother with the hassle for a $50 device.
The newer units were much better at reading a stable coil resistance and maintaining Temperature of the coil in TC while the coil is wet. They were still prone to rattlesnaking if you overpowered the coil in TC drastically (ie: applying 60w to a square OCC NI200 coil will rattlesnake badly providing intermittent dry/burnt hits but that same coil at 50w & below will be stable & controllable).
I'm not sure if they ever licked the problem with coils burning up in Nebox on a dry coil as I haven't tested my newest black ones (they came with a plastic Kanger Coin Tool in the Starter kit to remove coil & battery bases) with a dry coil yet as I still have plenty of life in both coils and see no need to waste them in a test of this type at this point.
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