KangerTech NEBOX

[Tpat591]

Really sorry to hear that! Definitely sounds like a malfunction of some sort due to wonky connectivity causing the mod to pop in and out of TC. Think you should head to the Vape shop in Aberdeen and show them what is going on. They may have a solution & if not let you swap it to another from their stock.

My two are in transit now. Ought to have them by Saturday if all goes well. Will test those units with older ni200 coils when received & post back.

 

[Tpat591]

Received my black one from breezy today and started it up under temp control with pre installed ni200 coil and I have to agree there are definite issues with temp control in these. it is erratic and I have had a few dry hits. I have also had long preheat times on coil at 60w and even a few issues where I pressed fire button and despite display lighting and I believe showing voltage to coil no power was applied. Cannot believe reviewers have not noticed these issues but I have not really played with it looking for loose connections as I have been very busy today.

I can confirm unstable operation in TC with preinstalled NI200 coil but have not had time to figure out if it is my fault or not. Just pulled coil head & tightens down stock coil & seems more reliable so far so it might just have been loose.

 

[Tpat591]

Well discovered one thing this evening. Temp control doesn't work with the current Subtank OCC nickel coils on this device.
Installed a new coil, primed the coil as normal, locked the resistance (read 0.18 ohms) left to stand for 30 minutes, with 60% VG juice

Started vaping at 400F and 30W. Which was ok, but no real flavour. Increased to 425F and 35W started to get a better flavour. After about an hour of fairly light vaping, increased to to 38W. Instant dry hit, very nasty burnt taste and pulsing on and off again same as yesterday. Coil is now wrecked and pulses on/off even at 30W with continuous burnt taste.

With the new SSOCC Ni coil it worked fine at 50W and 520F with 80% VG, so seems to to be either;
An issue with the older coils,
Bad lmplementation of temperature control,
Just got a bad unit?

I have tried an older style Kanger authentic square ni200 coil in Nebox. it was read at 0.23ohm. I confirm full power / zero power rattle-snaking TC operation.

Not A Good Sign at ALL! Looking like there are definite issues with TC on this mod with the old coils. Starting to look like Kanger rushed this product to market way too early before working out the TC bugs! Why haven't the 27 different reviewers reported shortcomings? Maybe I am doing something wrong.

Time to try to read the manual I guess!

 

[AmandaD]

Received my black one from breezy today and started it up under temp control with pre installed ni200 coil and I have to agree there are definite issues with temp control in these. it is erratic and I have had a few dry hits. I have also had long preheat times on coil at 60w and even a few issues where I pressed fire button and despite display lighting and I believe showing voltage to coil no power was applied. Cannot believe reviewers have not noticed these issues but I have not really played with it looking for loose connections as I have been very busy today.

I can confirm unstable operation in TC with preinstalled NI200 coil but have not had time to figure out if it is my fault or not. Just pulled coil head & tightens down stock coil & seems more reliable so far so it might just have been loose.

When did you put in your order from them? I'm still waiting for mine

 

[Tpat591]

When did you put in your order from them? I'm still waiting for mine

Black one ordered October 27th. Red one ordered October 30. Red one has not yet shipped. Black one shipped on 11/10/15.

 

[AmandaD]

Black one ordered October 27th. Red one ordered October 30. Red one has not yet shipped. Black one shipped on 11/10/15.

Ah, ok thanks - I ordered a red one on November 2, so I guess I need to be patient!

 

[Kaiser Bob]

I just got mine today, about to play with it but what's up with the no pregnant women icon on the box?

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[Eric Auer]

I just got mine today, about to play with it but what's up with the no pregnant women icon on the box?

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Don't vape while making women pregnant?

Eric

 

[Tpat591]

My eyes are getting worse as I get older. Had to scan it so I could make it large enough to read comfortably.

 

[Kaiser Bob]

Thought I'd post my thoughts on the Nebox after a couple of days use

Similar air flow to the subtank mini which the air flow fully open, which is ideal for me.
Great juice capacity
Great flavour
Good vapour production, but not a cloud chaser
Pocketable size, great for work and will be perfect for taking sking or snowboarding in the winter.
Battery life seems a lot shorter then my subtank and IPV D2 combo, but I do have the temperature set higher.

I have had Some major issues today though.
I started getting a slight burnt taste from the Ni coil, probably because I let the juice level get to low prior to changing flavours. Decided to try a standard suntank OCC Ni coil, but got dry hits and a burnt coil almost straight away. after about 3 draws, it started pulsing from fully on to fully off in about half second cycles, followed by a really nasty burnt flavour (this wasn't like fluttering you get with some TC Mods)
I Put the original coil back in but the device is now leaking from the bottom air hole, cleaned and re-installed the base twice but still leaked. Second time leaked about 1/4 tank of juice!
I'll try the spare coil tomorow, as I left it at work, but I'm worried the old style OCC coil my have damaged the treading where it connects to the chimney, causing the flooding and leaking.

Total frustration at the moment as my new TFV4 Mini is also leaking badly with both the prebuilt double caption coil and the Clapton RBA.

Sorry to hear about your TFV4 mini troubles! The only times mine leaked out were when my mod fell and popped the top cap open and I didn't notice so it lost vacuum. Maybe the top cap seal or the oring between the chimney and coil are faulty?

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[Tpat591]

Upon switching back to the new cylindrical NI200 coil that came preinstalled in the Nebox and ensuring it was sufficiently tight, the Nebox insists on reading it's resistance as between 0.27 ohm and 0.23ohm where it was reading it as 0.15ohm previously. This coil was overheated to the point of giving a dry/almost burnt hit more than once before I realized it was not tight enough in base causing TC to become unstable.

I haven't got an authentic subtank base handy at the moment but a FT clone base is reading this coil out as 0.31 ohm on my meter & a vs200. It does appear to be vaping in TC stably at this point though under settings of 50w, 340deg f. It is vaping much warmer than that though as compared to a dna 200 running a crown w/ stock coils under TC 316L @ 480deg f 50w. I assume because the base resistance is high on the mod or the ni200 coil was overheated. My initial observations and cautions:

Nebox comes with the ni200 coil preinstalled but not tight enough in the base so it jumps all over the place under TC getting progressively worse as mod heats up and can overheat easily causing dry hits intermittently.

TIGHTEN THE COIL INTO THE BASE AND INSTALL BASE TIGHTLY INTO MOD BEFORE USING IN TC! IF YOU DON'T AS IT HEATS THE COIL UNDER VAPING, IT WILL BECOME UNSTABLE AND OVERHEAT YOUR COIL.

START AT A MUCH LOWER WATTAGE & TEMPERATURE SETTING THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD AND WHEN YOU ARE SURE IT IS STABLE INCREASE YOUR SETTINGS.

NEBOX DOES NOT APPEAR TO EMPLOY A PREHEAT PUNCH. YOU WILL EVENTUALLY WANT YOUR VAPING WATTAGE UP THERE AFTER YOU ARE SURE YOUR COIL IS STABLE - NOT UNTIL.

WIRE GAUGE IN THE OLDER NI200 COILS MAY BE A LOT LIGHTER THAN WHAT IS USED IN THE NEW COILS AND i BELIEVE NEBOX EMPLOYS A TC PULSE THAT IS LESS FREQUENT THAN OTHER TC MODS. AS SUCH IT IS POSSIBLE THAT A LIGHTER WIRE GAUGE USED IN OLDER COILS REACTS TOO QUICKLY FOR NEBOX TO REGULATE CAUSING RATTLESNAKING TC. FULL POWER/NO POWER. THIS WILL TORCH THE OLD COILS QUICKLY AT 60W.

i DON'T BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A PROBLEM WITH THE OLDER KANTHAL COILS IN NON TC MODE.

If anyone has any other theories on what exactly is causing this behavior, I'd love to hear them.

 

[Tpat591]

Finished coiling a 24g, 9 wrap, 3mm id, TI T1 spaced coil in RBA. 0.26ohm on my meter base using the clone base, Nebox read it at 0.30 ohm. Running 40w 340deg f. at the moment. Working and stable in TC. Stepping up temp slowly but the Nic is getting to me right now & need to stop for a while. Gonna have to order juice w/ less nic!

 

[Tpat591]

Don't vape while making women pregnant?

Eric

Now that's what I call hardcore vaping!

 

[Kaiser Bob]

My stock ni coil reads .26 ohms, as such a babied it last night. So far running nicely at 400F 45W.

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[Angus337]

Thank for the update Tpat. Appears you are having similar issues to me.

I have exchanged mine for a new device due to continued leaking issues, So I now have a new device and a couple of new SSOCC coils to test.

 

[Tpat591]

Look forward to hearing how it goes. Thought I would have a red one in a few days to compare it to but Breezy sent an email today that they sent out all that Kanger sent them - Kanger shorted them to distribute elsewhere. Kanger isn't even expected to ship them the big order until possibly 11/17 so it will probably be end of month before I see the other one.

The RBA is stable & working well with the titanium coil for now so I feel a little more comfortable keeping it and even if it only worked in Kanthal mode it still is hands down leaps and bounds better than Egrip in both airflow & vapor production if not in form and presentation. I didn't have any leaking issues with the stock coils but I guess I also didn't keep them in long enough for them to present issues. With the 3mm coil in the RBA I had plenty of cotton in there so no leaks what so ever from that overnight, nice crisp hits with plenty of vapor & no dry hits yet. I'm using 18mg in it so I really can't chain vape it to load test for dry hits or the nic would probably kill me. It takes a while of pressing the button with no airflow through the unit to even see a temp protect message on screen but it does display it.

Airflow is a good bit more restricted than a crown tank, but I actually think its a little bit better than a subtank mini. Button rattle is definitely present and a bit of a letdown. Drip tip is too short imo but that was an easy swap out. Not crazy about the screen or menus but they are functional. All in all, even with all the issues, I will not cancel the second one that is backordered. Size is not as big as I thought it would be and it fits well in the hand, is very pocket able, holds a decent capacity, and if it only had a side fill it could easily hold 3ml more. Swappable on the fly 18650 makes this hands down better than egrip & TC is a major upgrade as well although I really don't trust the display temps or resistance at all. I just set it where it works and I'm sure Kanger will release a pyrex tanked unit with some other refinements soon enough. I usually use a three flavor rotation, but I think I'll hold off on picking up a third unit for a while.

I think even if Joyetech releases an upgraded Egrip VTC using the Evic control panel in response to Neebox it would still have a hard time competing from a coil/RBA standpoint with what Kanger has fielded here, once the kinks are worked out.

 

[Bru2basics]

Look forward to hearing how it goes. Thought I would have a red one in a few days to compare it to but Breezy sent an email today that they sent out all that Kanger sent them - Kanger shorted them to distribute elsewhere. Kanger isn't even expected to ship them the big order until possibly 11/17 so it will probably be end of month before I see the other one.

The RBA is stable & working well with the titanium coil for now so I feel a little more comfortable keeping it and even if it only worked in Kanthal mode it still is hands down leaps and bounds better than Egrip in both airflow & vapor production if not in form and presentation. I didn't have any leaking issues with the stock coils but I guess I also didn't keep them in long enough for them to present issues. With the 3mm coil in the RBA I had plenty of cotton in there so no leaks what so ever from that overnight, nice crisp hits with plenty of vapor & no dry hits yet. I'm using 18mg in it so I really can't chain vape it to load test for dry hits or the nic would probably kill me. It takes a while of pressing the button with no airflow through the unit to even see a temp protect message on screen but it does display it.

Airflow is a good bit more restricted than a crown tank, but I actually think its a little bit better than a subtank mini. Button rattle is definitely present and a bit of a letdown. Drip tip is too short imo but that was an easy swap out. Not crazy about the screen or menus but they are functional. All in all, even with all the issues, I will not cancel the second one that is backordered. Size is not as big as I thought it would be and it fits well in the hand, is very pocket able, holds a decent capacity, and if it only had a side fill it could easily hold 3ml more. Swappable on the fly 18650 makes this hands down better than egrip & TC is a major upgrade as well although I really don't trust the display temps or resistance at all. I just set it where it works and I'm sure Kanger will release a pyrex tanked unit with some other refinements soon enough. I usually use a three flavor rotation, but I think I'll hold off on picking up a third unit for a while.

I think even if Joyetech releases an upgraded Egrip VTC using the Evic control panel in response to Neebox it would still have a hard time competing from a coil/RBA standpoint with what Kanger has fielded here, once the kinks are worked out.

Hey all well I finally had chance to mess about a bit with the nebox and titanium in the rba and for the most part it seems stable. I seem to have nailed the wicking now as I've not had a single leek last couple of days which is a relief as the egrip drilled out base weeped a bit even using the clr coils. Love the airflow its perfect for me so not worried about it being non adjustable at all, the plastic tank is my biggest let down as I may not use tank crackers but would be nice not having to think about Wat juice I'm using.

I've not bothered using any pre made coils as there not my thing so I went and picked up a spare rba so I can keep one ready built and subtank base for pulsing contact ti coils. So I've tried 24 & 26g gr1 ti in spaced and contact form and they all seem to work fine with good flavour and vapour, I've not tried any twisted or claptoned builds yet as to be honest I'm struggling to find a benefit for them in tc. On the whole I've not had any major issues with stability and think the pulsing in tc is confined to the pre built coils. To echo what Tpat591 has said though I would not trust the readings this mod is giving in regards to resistance or temperature. The resistance is always read high on the nebox compared to my meters and i find that it's way overpowered compared to my vtc mini as at 180°c it's like 260°c on the evic. Obviously the higher resistance reading is linked to this effect so I have to start low and work up slowly to get it sweet but I also find myself adjusting the temp more than usual to get a consistent vape. Dunno what is going on with the preheat/watts as I have to keep them low at around 35/40w or its like lava in my mouth! Now my understanding is that you should be able to run max watts and all it will do is ramp up to temp quicker and then protect but this thing is slow in regards to temp protecting and at 60w it's tasting burnt before it cuts in. Any ways it's going to do the job as an all in one tc mod for work that I can keep in my pocket without fear of snapping a 510 again! Can't wait to see what joyetech brings to the table next in response to this though.

 

[Angus337]

So I set up the new unit last night and used it for most of the evening with the Ni coil.

Initially the coil read 0.33 ohms. But once it a had been fired a couple of times, I relocked the resistance and it was reading 0.21. Higher than the specified 0.15 ohms but seems Ok.

Gradually increased wattage and temp settings over an hour or so, upto 45W and 450F. Seemed to be vaping reasonably well at these settings and no leaks. I do feel that there is too much of a delay getting up to temperature, probably because the TC is poorly implemented and cannot handle high initial power and still limit temperature. I'm a bit worried about setting the wattage any higher just now though,due to the issues I had with the first device.

So I was reasonably happy with it until I re-filled it this morning, and 5 minutes later it was leaking all over the kitchen counter. Coil and base were screwed in tightly, but the coil just seems to flood too easily. I have seen a video online where the guy recommends only filling to 50% to avoid leaking which sort of defeats the whole purpose of the device. Other recommendation is to fire it upside down after filling which I will try next time.

It's very frustrating when you see reviewers stating "used this for two weeks and no leaks" and others running at really high settings with no issues, and stating that TC works as it should which is clearly not the case.

I'm willing to perservere with this as a really like the form factor, but certainly not the perfect device

 

[Tpat591]

Wick the rba and use that with a good amount of cotton. You will get a better vape & if you do it right, it won't leak. Do you have any 28 or lower ga ni200 or TI T1 laying around?

 

[Angus337]

I have some Ni wire. But not had much success with subtank mini RBAs in the past. General get too much spitting and leaking and and end up having to re-wick almost every time I fill the tank. Will have a go tonight though..