i posted pics in my previous post, not less wick but need to cut excess wick on tail by thinning them out
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i posted pics in my previous post, not less wick but need to cut excess wick on tail by thinning them out
i chainvape short pulls ~2sec, if im going for a long one i prime it up 1st just in case, 15-23watts
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Well I missed your pics. I guess that happened while I was typing my essay lol. My wick is very similar to yours but I keep both skins attached and maybe trim just a hair shorter. Kinda looks like a broom just baaaaarely touching the deck. Think someone made that analogy earlier in the thread. How much thicker is your wick than your coil ID?
Seem to be as many "successful" ways to wick as there are STM users here! LOL!
I had a good working wick but after posting images many here said I needed more and it's not as great as it was, still good... just not as good as before. I was de-skinning both sides of the KGD and getting it in there snug, used about 3x the ID of my coil.
But I also changed coils from a 3mm ID to a 2.25mm ID. I'll have to go back to a 3mm next time I change it out. But I promised myself I'd leave this in an entire week of heavy vaping!
I had a good working wick but after posting images many here said I needed more and it's not as great as it was, still good... just not as good as before. I was de-skinning both sides of the KGD and getting it in there snug, used about 3x the ID of my coil.
But I also changed coils from a 3mm ID to a 2.25mm ID. I'll have to go back to a 3mm next time I change it out. But I promised myself I'd leave this in an entire week of heavy vaping!
i use both rayon and kgd , rayon i use thick/really thick and kgd less than rayon but still tight going through coil, skins removed.
broom analogy is good as i thin the tails out giving it less density like im giving it split ends to make the ends look like a broom so its not as thick as where its at the coil.
the desity going through the coil is too thick for the ends hence the thinning.
in ur pics ends look to thick even though it looks like mine
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Well I finally have a successful RBA build. 26G 1 ohm built on a 6-32. Wicked with cellucotton and chunky is an understatement. I used nearly the whole width of the cellucotton, pulling off just a bit before twisting it up. I twisted and pulled until it was rock hard and it still deformed the coil a bit getting it through. I cut it to length and angle as above and snipped a tiny wedge from the middle to open up the juice holes. I wet it and tacked it down rather than tucking with the chimney on.
Reaally dense vapor at first with a bit of spitting but all that has kind of relaxed now. I can vape myself dizzy at 25 watts and not get a dry hit but it gets dry at 27. Oddly enough I can run my rebuilt OCCs at 32 watts without trouble (again with cellucotton).
I'm not sure if I prefer it over the OCC yet. I like the idea of using something meant to be rebuilt on but I don't like how finicky it is. I'm likely to keep using both.
Reaally dense vapor at first with a bit of spitting but all that has kind of relaxed now. I can vape myself dizzy at 25 watts and not get a dry hit but it gets dry at 27. Oddly enough I can run my rebuilt OCCs at 32 watts without trouble (again with cellucotton).
I'm not sure if I prefer it over the OCC yet. I like the idea of using something meant to be rebuilt on but I don't like how finicky it is. I'm likely to keep using both.
If you really do decide to move to something less finicky I would suggest a Lemo. It's a pain to fill but a cinch to build on.damn this rba section is driving me crazy, some days i can get it working properly, otherdays its a crapshoot
i know max vg juices are my issue, but still [emoji14]
i think this tank is just too finicky for memaybe a goblin is more up my alley, but i prefer single coil
delta 2 looks pretty good too, but just found out its chromed brass apparently
got it wicked, I went with a 1/4" strip of cotton, seperated it to half thickness, rolled the end to a nice point and carefully pulled it through the side of the coil, ended up wrapping around 3 times, made it fluffy but tight..
It's vaping, flavor is nice, vapor is thick, will see if it breaks in or craps out soon enough..
Such a sweet build! My vertical ended up totally flooding out- doh!
Oh well, trial and error! Good luck on yours, might have to steal your wicking technique once I can buy more wire
no airflow adj, just a delrin multipiece set + long tip
my next buy from fasttech, im lazy so w/this less arm strain to mouth
She said that looks like.......... a drip tip. Lol.
Wow why can't I ever find places like this. That's a really good deal. I could have saved 6.95. Thanks for the link. Definitely keep this handy.
I would like to imform you all that the max vaping wattage illustrated in this video is not a fair assessment of real world vaping. I followed him vape for vape and watts per watts and reached 55w without dry hits too. But vaping like that slowly brings the temperature of juice up and thins it out causing it to flow much better. If he had let his tank cool back down to room temp and tried vaping at 55w he would have burned his cotton within a 3sec vape...guaranteed. Been there, done that.
Not saying here that tail thinning isn't I good idea for max vg. Maybe it is but I don't vape higher than 75vg and have no probs with my wicking technique chaining 3-4sec pulls at 35w even with the device at room temp. Just say'n, things aren't always what they appear to be.
Ps. Another major contributor to reaching 55w by slowly increasing power is the expansion of air in the tank. As the tank heat up the expanding air above the juice does too.....as it expands the pressure rises and helps to allow greater juice flow.
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As I've already commented on elsewhere, and having several of these, the airflow for both the SubT and SubTMini are every bit as good as the MutX.
I haven't rebuilt the SubT RBA yet with a high-cap wind and I keep hearing that the ST tank cap is slightly constricted. Checking this a.m. I'm getting ~3.35mm as the chimney i.d. on the SubT RBA cap (vs. 4.3 as the exit Ø for the ST OCC cap and SubTMini).
Can't assume the inferior dia. is a weakness. It's likely a compromise for the design parameters for the RBA to allow for more density as opposed to the OCC which is a very diffuse design. In other words providing rebuilders a better option for favoring flavor.
It's important but inflow critical, and that's all in the base.
However, I'd agree with the poster D. I'd rather have the chimney airflow too. I can build all the density in the world more than the constricted chimney will support. I couldn't care less about making clouds otherwise when you can have both. But manufacturers are not building for the potential of tensioned microcoils…yet. I haven't even gone to those solutions so far and am running full open on the Mini with 15W builds.
So can we use more air? Yes emphatically, if you know how to build for it and not just recycle vapor. A criticism I've had of Kanger for some time with high-powered builds for the Protanks using synthetics like Nextel. Ironically the great airflow of the original Protank was considered too much by average users. Really. Even with the microscopic 510 feed. Bring this up because outlet airflow is important, as the poster notes.
Good luck.
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Well put. Reducing the carrying capacity of a wick doesn't account for flow in various conditions. It's like droppin' a high CFM normally aspirated windpipe on the 454 and a shoestring fuel line. Redic. No can do. Run good for a bit though.
Dry hit, when hit hard. Lot of diffusion…as if power and diffusion is all we vape for. Maybe good for some clouds for 10 tugs. But these ain't no drippers. I want to chain those clouds for the charge of the battery. Not drain the wick cause the leads can't keep up, overheat the wind, juice or take a dry hit.
Head in the clouds we are. You need flow of juice as much as air.
Good luck.
p.s. Just like air cig, high vg is not a problem. More the lack of it with these tanks. LOL
this is almost exactly how ive been wicking which i found out through trial and error.
using stock rba coil, i removed both skins though.
his method for thinning the ends is better than mine and he thins it out way more than i did but im using a 65/35 vgpg but im going to try out his technique for thinning but not to the extreme he did, well not yet anyways.
btw the wicks are lasting mucho longer , ive lost count of how many mls ive done on both my tanks, its been almost 5days now estimating 60-80mls /tank, 1 rayon the other cotton
using stock rba coil, i removed both skins though.
his method for thinning the ends is better than mine and he thins it out way more than i did but im using a 65/35 vgpg but im going to try out his technique for thinning but not to the extreme he did, well not yet anyways.
btw the wicks are lasting mucho longer , ive lost count of how many mls ive done on both my tanks, its been almost 5days now estimating 60-80mls /tank, 1 rayon the other cotton
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Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't recommend vaping at his wattages by no means, especially on a ST, that thing has kayfun 4 like airflow. The wicking technique he demonstrates does work pretty well, especially for higher VG juice.
Thought it might be helpful for those still having wicking issues is all. I don't do it exactly that way, but I've been using a pretty similar technique (not quite to the extreme he takes it with thinning out the wick) in my RTAs for some time now I just don't have a video on YouTube demonstrating it.
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agreed he really does thin it out way more than i do.
thinning imo is required if going thick through the coil.
in saying that i never thinned out a wick when going loose through the coil, experimentation galore i guess lol
T, real quick, don't get the impression your idea is bad or not workin' for ya. Don't think that's what folks are sayin'. And not that it's just workin' for you. I hate that meaningless assessment. It works for a certain set of conditions that you obviously enjoy.
I happen to agree with you on not needing a lot of power in the ST to get a good result. It can handle a lot of power tho. It's just the OCC that's limited and the tank is optimized to it.
Basic idea is that to vape more juice you need more flow. Wire, wick and power must match. Thinned leads will work with lower power requirements. So then why not design a build for that?
Increase the winds capacity and along with it the wick density and thinned leads won't keep up with that. Small pipe to large one. As long as you don't push it your fine. It will dry out in this scenario. So for someone with a variable that operates it like one, wide power range, diverse vaping styles, it won't be consistent for them.
I run almost exclusively high density low pg liquids at every power level. VG and complex juices are not impeded by dense wicking, at all. They will fail to produce though if the wick/wire/power are inadequate. Just like any juice formulation.
You obviously have a production niche T, enjoy the vape. It's a broad horizon though for a lot of us.
G'luck.
I like that we are all trying small variances in our wicking techniques. Keeps me from having to try everything...lol
I haven't tried the thinning technique yet. Haven't had to yet. I'm always looking for simple, easy and quick ways to help new vapers get going. Insert wick, cut on angle, wet with juice and press into place....that's about as time consuming as most noobs around here will tolerate. No time to thin tails and they get PO'd if their wicking doesn't last a week. It's hard to compete with the ease of putting a cig in their mouth and flick'n a bic.
I haven't tried the thinning technique yet. Haven't had to yet. I'm always looking for simple, easy and quick ways to help new vapers get going. Insert wick, cut on angle, wet with juice and press into place....that's about as time consuming as most noobs around here will tolerate. No time to thin tails and they get PO'd if their wicking doesn't last a week. It's hard to compete with the ease of putting a cig in their mouth and flick'n a bic.
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