KangerTech SUBTANK Mini

[Mr.Reliant]

Does the 1.2 really use less juice than the .5? I might have to give it a second chance.

How much juice you use is mostly dependent on how many watts you push. The more watts the more vapor volume and the more juice you use. Since you can get a great vape on a 1.2 OCC at lower wattages you will use less juice AND your battery will last longer. I know if I run a .5 OCC my iStick 30W will not get me through the day. If I run a 1.2 OCC it will.
Also I have a mini AND a nano both. As a test I put a .5 OCC in my mini and a 1.2 in my Nano. For the most part it seems I refill each tank just about as often. As far as vape quality I enjoy one as much as the other so it is a no brainer for me. Now of course which coil gets used when my vape buds come over?... YEP you guessed it... the .5! ;-)

 

[MacTechVpr]

Didn't want to start a new thread so I figure I would ask here... has anyone experienced burnt hits on these coils? I've been using the OCC .5 ohms exclusively for about 3 weeks, and when it works it works amazingly well, however taking a drag longer than 2.5 seconds gives me terrible burnt hits. A new coil works great for about 3 days or less, after that I start getting less vapor & flavor drop off. I was hoping these coils would at least last me a week or so but it's just not happening. I prime them very well, 70/30 ratio & 6mg typically between 20-25 watts. Airlfow channel is usually the biggest slot. After about a week the coil is BLACK and super gunky, the cotton seems fine though. Wondering if switching to 50/50 would help...

Also finding that my favorite juices are no longer my favorites in this tank (honey pearry!)
The flavor is just TOO intense and sweet at this level.

You're finally (possibly) tasting your juice for the first time. Mostly due to the KGD (or equiv). This tank has excellent production with the OCC's but the coil design is hot and creates volume by diffusion. You're seeing typical performance from a factory coil when you start to see it reach saturation limits in 3-4 days. Think a sponge in the kitchen. It's going to reach a saturation point with use where it won't absorb or release as readily.

It's not VG at all that saturates wicking (myth). It's pigments in the particular juice you use. I use VG to purge saturation from wicks. I was able to run the OCC's out with a reasonable flavor response by diluting my juices with a quarter to half tank refill periodically over the course of a week. Ten days max using this method but at a flavor loss the lass three. Once you reach saturation you'll start building the oddest scale (like a shell) on top of this new coil design I've ever seen. Although seemingly hard it breaks apart into a rather wet gritty blackened cake. No doubt it's reducing the performance potential of this excellent tank.

Just out of curio Bklyn, what were you using for a wick before?

Good luck.

 

[RiceBurner95]

Is it just my imagination, or does the RBA have a tighter draw than the OCC coils? I find this kind of disappointing, as you would think RBA should be a more open draw. It's almost too tight for my liking... hmmm. And my OCC coils are getting burned and nasty much faster than I expected. I only got about a day and a half or 3 tanks out of my first 1.2 coil before I started tasting some off flavors and a bit of a dirty, burned taste. Also kind of disappointing.

 

[janne303]

Where did you order yours from janne

Fasttech

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[Mr.Reliant]

Once you reach saturation you'll start building the oddest scale (like a shell) on top of this new coil design I've ever seen. Although seemingly hard it breaks apart into a rather wet gritty blackened cake. No doubt it's reducing the performance potential of this excellent tank.

What kind of juice were you using to produce that scale in the photo? I do know that sweeteners and certain tobacco absolute solutions can do some pretty nasty things to coils over time. I avoid any juice with colorings in them so can't comment on those.

Were you able to clean the coil & rewick it?

 

[antitux]

Is it just my imagination, or does the RBA have a tighter draw than the OCC coils? I find this kind of disappointing, as you would think RBA should be a more open draw. It's almost too tight for my liking... hmmm. And my OCC coils are getting burned and nasty much faster than I expected. I only got about a day and a half or 3 tanks out of my first 1.2 coil before I started tasting some off flavors and a bit of a dirty, burned taste. Also kind of disappointing.

The RBA does have a tighter draw, slightly. Make sure to keep the airways open and don't overdo the cotton. If you do, you'll know.

 

[DEA7H INC]

Quick question, I just got my subtank and my only VW device. I have to return the device due to a defect and wait for replacement, my other mods are only Variable voltage and dont put out what I need for lower resistence. Can I build like a 1.7 or 2.0 ohm coil with some of the thinner 32 gauge kanthal I have for it in the meantime? It should work just fine right?

 

[inspects]

Mac, very nice looking builds....!

 

[antitux]

Quick question, I just got my subtank and my only VW device. I have to return the device due to a defect and wait for replacement, my other mods are only Variable voltage and dont put out what I need for lower resistence. Can I build like a 1.7 or 2.0 ohm coil with some of the thinner 32 gauge kanthal I have for it in the meantime? It should work just fine right?

In Theory, yes. I'm not sure how well the smaller ego batteries will work though. What device are you attempting to use it with?

 

[Mr.Reliant]

Quick question, I just got my subtank and my only VW device. I have to return the device due to a defect and wait for replacement, my other mods are only Variable voltage and dont put out what I need for lower resistence. Can I build like a 1.7 or 2.0 ohm coil with some of the thinner 32 gauge kanthal I have for it in the meantime? It should work just fine right?

Sure!
Follow OHMs law and all will be well.

I used my first Mini on a $15 Nemesis Clone mech mod while waiting on my iStick 30W. Regulated is SO much better though.

 

[DEA7H INC]

In Theory, yes. I'm not sure how well the smaller ego batteries will work though. What device are you attempting to use it with?

An old lavatube and a vision spinner lol.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Mac, very nice looking builds....!

Thanks, perciate that. Please understand that supe and I are just tryin' to get folks to a repeatable vape quickly. I vape and try everything and would be the last to insist on anyone doing other. My motto is…prove all things. Just tryin' to give folks a headstart. But on this particular coil concept combining both tension and twisted leads, I have to admit I was shocked. Really gotta suggest every one have a try at tension winding and attempt a twisted lead parallel. Really impressive output at very low wattage and moderately low ohms (~.5Ω)…

This was back to back chaining…three pulls in all…on a fresh KGD install not even broken in (85% VG) on the Mini. This particular wind was designed to peak in the 15-20W range which is the optimal for many of <30W devices out there. But it's really not the build per se but the results of uniform oxidation with Kanthal, I am certain. Still vapin' this build.

There are some juices I enjoy with other builds. I'm a huge fan of twisted and multi-wire in general. But I gotta say for new vapers, man oh man. Git it tensioned.



Good luck.

 

[antitux]

An old lavatube and a vision spinner lol.

I am not sure whether or not you'd be able to pull off a good vaping experience with either of those. I guess it's going to be trial and error. Let me know how it works out.

If you lived near me, I'd let you borrow a VW box mod out of pity, tbh. I just can't think it's going to be a good vape.

 

[DEA7H INC]

I am not sure whether or not you'd be able to pull off a good vaping experience with either of those. I guess it's going to be trial and error. Let me know how it works out.

If you lived near me, I'd let you borrow a VW box mod out of pity, tbh. I just can't think it's going to be a good vape.

Ha, its all good. thanks for the info. Hopefully my next IPV Mini v2 isnt borked like the first one, might get an istick as a backup since I'd feel a lot better with at least 2 VW Devices since you never know.

 

[antitux]

Ha, its all good. thanks for the info. Hopefully my next IPV Mini v2 isnt borked like the first one, might get an istick as a backup since I'd feel a lot better with at least 2 VW Devices since you never know.

Honestly, I love my little istick 20w. Great travel vape. Looks great with the nano on it too. It hits pretty darn good with the 1.2 ohm coil.

As for the ipv mini v2, I saw those had come out. Makes me nervous hitting 70w off of a single 18650. Then again, you aren't going to be hitting much higher than 25-30 on the subtank mini anyhow.

 

[MacTechVpr]

What kind of juice were you using to produce that scale in the photo? I do know that sweeteners and certain tobacco absolute solutions can do some pretty nasty things to coils over time. I avoid any juice with colorings in them so can't comment on those.

Were you able to clean the coil & rewick it?

Any moderately pigmented juice I've tried thus far but I have pushed the OCC routinely off-and-on to 45W (a real world test, lets face it). In the first photo, that was at the end of a 10-day test of the OCC on the Subtank. That was pushed on three separate occasions to 45W and some moderate chaining throughout. Juice was Heather's Shadow, 9mg/ml 50% VG dilution.

Another example with similar results, the OCC on the Mini…

Likewise similarly pushed several times to 45W, no more than 10 mins of use in total. Here used Johnson Creek Red Oak Tenn. Cured, 9mg/ml 50% VG dilution.

In both examples I used VG dilution of between 25-50% periodically (as I detected increased draw) to encourage flow. This helped extend the coil from a nominal 4-day saturation peak to about 6-7 days.)

I think the OCC on the Subtank ended up a bit worse for the wear because I did purposely push it harder at peak wattage (admittedly over limit for this tank) in the 7-10 days beyond severe saturation. No doubt this really created a very dense canker on the coil surface which was very hard to remove without distorting the coil. I was trying to see the potential for reuse of the factory coil. I strongly recommend against it as it's very difficult to remove this substantial wick without really skewering it bad.

Pic above shows the gritty wet remaining sediment and a few pieces of the harder surface scale which developed on top of the gritty mass.

Hey, we can always vape fruit!



Good luck all.

 

[DEA7H INC]

Yeah I honestly got it because it was only 13 bucks more than the 30w version, and has pass through functionality unlike the regular mini. The istick does seem like a great little device.

 

[antitux]

Any moderately pigmented juice I've tried thus far but I have pushed the OCC routinely off-and-on to 45W (a real world test, lets face it). In the first photo, that was at the end of a 10-day test of the OCC on the Subtank. That was pushed on three separate occasions to 45W and some moderate chaining throughout. Juice was Heather's Shadow, 9mg/ml 50% VG dilution.

Another example with similar results, the OCC on the Mini…

Likewise similarly pushed several times to 45W, no more than 10 mins of use in total. Here used Johnson Creek Red Oak Tenn. Cured, 9mg/ml 50% VG dilution.

In both examples I used VG dilution of between 25-50% periodically (as I detected increased draw) to encourage flow. This helped extend the coil from a nominal 4-day saturation peak to about 6-7 days.)

I think the OCC on the Subtank ended up a bit worse for the wear because I did purposely push it harder at peak wattage (admittedly over limit for this tank) in the 7-10 days beyond severe saturation. No doubt this really created a very dense canker on the coil surface which was very hard to remove without distorting the coil. I was trying to see the potential for reuse of the factory coil. I strongly recommend against it as it's very difficult to remove this substantial wick without really skewering it bad.

Pic above shows the gritty wet remaining sediment and a few pieces of the harder surface scale which developed on top of the gritty mass.

Hey, we can always vape fruit!



Good luck all.

That, sir, is both horrifying and incredible at the same time. I couldn't imagine hitting the occ head at 45W. I did once at 40W and it was horrifyingly bad. You must have lungs of steel.

 

[MacTechVpr]

That, sir, is both horrifying and incredible at the same time. I couldn't imagine hitting the occ head at 45W. I did once at 40W and it was horrifyingly bad. You must have lungs of steel.

Actually, I'm extremely flavor sensitive. There was very little acute flavor of scorching here. This accretion was cumulative. Not single event. I was periodically monitoring the coil throughout. I mention it as the Subtank 8th or 9th day 45W cycles may have added to the scaling which was substantial. Took me 10-15 mins trying to figure out how to remove that first one without tearing the install out. I ended up using a dental scaler to slowly scrape away at it until it fractured in sections.

No, no I don't think users need to be concerned about using the coil. It's just unusual the way pigment aggregates are forming on this particular and quite different coil config. It's the type of accretion we see from highly pigmented juice everywhere. And I could show you dozens of different examples. This was substantial tho at and so surprising.

It's a great tank and all things said a pretty novel and effective coil design even as targeted to the hot side, low-Ω diffusion vaper.

Anyway good luck all.

Enjoy the vape.

 

[Paramaniac413]

I went back to my mini after a successful build on my Magma today and still can't seem to get a build rigĥt on my mini. I think I may stick to the OCC coils at the 1.2Ohm for now, but even that is still a little warm for my liking. Maybe I'll have to sit down with someone and figure it out.