Kayfun and unexperienced user

[ExCon]

I'm quite new at the whole vaping thing but I started to think about something better than Protank. So my question is - should I buy kayfun (Lite or Lite Plus) if I am an unexperienced user? Wouldn't it be too difficult to use and will I be able to rebuild the heating coils by my own? Or I should better look for something more simple?

Thank you for your answers.

 

[Peppie]

What mod are you using?
Do you feel comfortable building coils?
Do you have an OHM reader/tester?

IMO the KFL+ is better than the KFL Only because you are able to adjust the air flow with the plus.

It is not difficult to build a coil. There are tons of videos to show you how. However there are saftey issues you need to be aware of before you just wrap a coil and push the mods fire button.

IMO it sounds to me that you should do a bunch of research on rebuildables so you will feel comfortable setting up a KFL+

 

[Portertown]

I'm quite new at the whole vaping thing but I started to think about something better than Protank. So my question is - should I buy Kayfun (Lite or Lite Plus) if I am an unexperienced user? Wouldn't it be too difficult to use and will I be able to rebuild the heating coils by my own? Or I should better look for something more simple?

Thank you for your answers.

I got my first Kayfun Lite about two months ago and it was my first tank that required building the coil for it. I just watched some Youtube videos and read the Kayfun Lite sub-forum on this forum that is over 600 pages of good info on the Kayfun Lite.
You will need an ohm tester so you can make sure of the resistance of your coil and to make sure you do not have a short.

 

[ExCon]

What mod are you using?
Do you feel comfortable building coils?
Do you have an OHM reader/tester?

1) If I decided to buy Kayfun, I would use it with Provari mod.
2) I've never tried that because... -->
3) I currently don't have an ohm meter but I would definitely buy it.

I also watched many youtube tutorials and rebuilding the coil seemed not that hard but I know that KFL are for more experienced users so I'm a bit afraid that it will be too difficult for a new user.

Thank you for your answers.

 

[mavric]

The Provari can read ohms, but won't vape anything under 1. It will fuss if it picks up anything wrong, but I still advise getting an ohm reader or a digital multimeter (both can be had for $20 depending). After that, just watch some YouTube videos of people building Kayfuns at standard resistance and you should be golden.

 

[gtrpickr]

What mod are you using?
Do you feel comfortable building coils?
Do you have an OHM reader/tester?

IMO the KFL+ is better than the KFL Only because you are able to adjust the air flow with the plus.

It is not difficult to build a coil. There are tons of videos to show you how. However there are saftey issues you need to be aware of before you just wrap a coil and push the mods fire button.

IMO it sounds to me that you should do a bunch of research on rebuildables so you will feel comfortable setting up a KFL+

I agree that there can be some safety concerns, just do your research and invest in an ohm meter.
Whether youve been vaping for a month or a couple years building coils can be a new experience, we all had to start somewhere. Personally I have found the micro coils to be the easiest for me, I have them in my RDA's as well as my kayfun 3.1 and they perform really well. There is alot of great vidoes and posts on this subject. BTW i have 1.9ohm coils in my drippers and a 1.4-1.5ohm coil in my kayfun

 

[Peppie]

1) If I decided to buy Kayfun, I would use it with Provari mod.
2) I've never tried that because... -->
3) I currently don't have an ohm meter but I would definitely buy it.

I also watched many youtube tutorials and rebuilding the coil seemed not that hard but I know that KFL are for more experienced users so I'm a bit afraid that it will be too difficult for a new user.

Thank you for your answers.

Building on a KFL+ needs no more experience of building a coil as it does on a cheap dripper. Dont let the "For Experienced Vapors" thing scare you.
You can do this.
You can build a 1.5 ohm coil ( I think you can check it on your Prov??? not sure I dont use one) for the KFL+ and use your prov. mod and it will work great.
Watch some videos, practice (wire is cheap) practice (wire is cheap) practice (wire is cheap)

Then

DOOOO IT

 

[Myrany]

30 gauge Kanthal
9/10 wraps on a 16 gauge blunt syringe need compressed to a micro coil
cotton wick

SHOULD put you in the 1.3+ ohm range which your provari should be able to read. My vamo can fire it so I would guess a provari could.

Getting a dedicated ohm meter is still a good idea. I do not know if the provari reads ohms without firing the atty or not.

 

[Peter_C]

A bit off, but..

Either try cartos + tanks (IBTanked is great), and borge or SOK cartos (this is where I am currently and love it).

Or, go to By Leo and get a 'Sophia' - a really great thread here on them as well
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/euro-suppliers/426015-leo-attys-mods-drip-tips-tanks.html
And here:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ibtanked/339809-do-you-fiddle-your-thingy.html
and:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rebuildable-atomizer-leo-discussion-tips.html

Not the answer you were looking for, but as another 'newbie', I've left clearos far behind and am really enjoying my vaping. I just ordered my first Sophia and it's traveling currently.

 

[Thrasher]

the kayfun and attys like it take about 15 minutes to figure out, wrapping coils takes practice and gets easier every time you do it. it may take a couple tries to get the kayfun working perfect but it is by no means difficult. and when you do get it running its a wow that rocks! moment.

the provari is fine, it wont let you vape a shorted coil and checks resistance as well

 

[Ref Minor]

I watched a vid about the figure 8 coil about 3 months before I got a Kayfun (1st ever coil build) it took me about 5 minutes from memory and got a 1.9ohm coil as measured on my Semovar which has vaped perfectly for a couple of weeks now.

 

[Slobalt7]

If you are near a Harbor Freight, they have DDM's for as low as $5 or even free with coupon. Kind of a pain to hold the leads and tank at the same time but after a few coil builds you can do it one handed. Very easy to build coils, just make sure when building them to dry fire and find hot spots before wicking.

 

[gypsymage777]

I got a couple of cheap RDAs to practice doing coils. If it doesn't turn out, you do not have to go through the mess of siphoning out liquid from the tank to try another rebuild. Riptripper has the best vids I think on youtube. I would highly suggest at least getting the Tobeco clone. I got a no-name knockoff I had trouble with, had to replace O-rings (that were not included) One O-ring I stole from the Tobeco extra's (for the bottom of the tank to deck connection). The top cap had no O-ring at all (the small one that seals the top of the chimney), I bought an O-ring kit from Harbor freight and it just so happens one fit perfectly. Also, the Tobeco you do not want to block the channels, the no name knockoff had serious flooding problems so I had to fluff up the cotton and block the channels and it is finally working (still not totally happy with this thing though). The Tobeco is not bad, but you have to totally remove the airflow control screw or it whistles. You do not need it anyway unless you like a tighter draw. After my experience with these two clones, I think the vaporev original is really the way to go. If you are like me and like to change flavors, you will need 3-4 which can get quite expensive buying all original so throw a Tobeco or two in. They are adequate enough.

One important thing to note: I do not oxidize by torch. I attach the deck to a mod and work out hotspots with firing and tweezers, when I am through, I pulse to get them nice, hot and red more than a few times, and a few times more at full 10 second intervals to make sure that the coil is completely oxidized. That way I do not have to go through more than 2-4 vapes before it starts tasting "non-burnt".

28 guage at 10-11 wraps will give you around 1.3-1.4 ohm's which is a bit hot for some of my liquids, but pretty much dead on for my lower nic, bakery type flavors. Tobacco type flavors I prefer 1.6-1.7 ohm's (around 13 wraps on a 5/16 drillbit). If you have a VW mod, that would be about equal to 8-10 watts. The Kayfun lite has a pretty heavy throathit so do not be discouraged, just tweek the power and/or resistance until you find your medium.

I was a total klutz at first with micro-coils, but it did not take long for me to get the hang of it.

 

[gypsymage777]

Also, I have a Provari so I really did not need to get an Ohm meter, but I got one anyway. The meters built especially for e-cigs with the 510 connection are nice to use as a base to do your build on without the deck wobbling around. Plus, I need to send my Provari in to get it updated to V2 so I would have been without a meter in the meantime.

And cotton is highly recommended, but flammable. Drench that cotton before you test fire and fire a few times before assembling the product and filling the tank. I think I heard someone say that it helps in creating a carbon layer between the coil and the cotton. I'm not sure that is accurate, but it works for me.

 

[armyofskittles]

Do it. You will save time and money just skipping to something that will satisfy you for a long time. Learning how to build on it is very easy. Just a few videos or tutorials and you will be good. Once you become consistant in your coils and wicks, you will be extremely happy. As always, please don't hesitate to message me for any questions at all. I've been using kayfuns for a few months now. It was the first real atomized I bought too lastly, stop by the kayfun lite thread here on ecf!

-Sent from my DNA20 through my Kayfun Lite

 

[Peppie]

Hows that for encouragement???

Are ya going to pull the trigger??

 

[MacTechVpr]

I watched a vid about the figure 8 coil about 3 months before I got a Kayfun (1st ever coil build) it took me about 5 minutes from memory and got a 1.9ohm coil as measured on my Semovar which has vaped perfectly for a couple of weeks now.

Thanks P. Merry Christmas to you and yours too.

I tried my best to do a straightforward search for pic's I posted. It's hard on this forum. Glad you found it.

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The first pic, you found, is actually .5x.1 ribbon. Same principle. There are several hand holds. You have to see what works for you. But this hold permits the most pressure, I found. Straight wire permits a more relaxed grip. The second pic is the result of a typical torsioned wind for 29/30 AWG. That's exactly the finish of the wind...before any further tensioning or "de-winding", a method of taking off and tightening surplus turns in a coil, which I do routinely. I'll try to take some pics of that sequence and the particular method I use which I've demonstrated to a number of vendors with some pretty amazing reactions. Not only to the process but the resulting performance. I hope the latter pic helps to validate what I've said, that these coils come out with a rather perfect symmetry from the outset. It minimizes the work needed to finish an assembly quite a bit, and time.

It takes just a few minutes using common supplies to wind a correct electrical coil. Kids do jump rings every day. This will take you about a minute to wind 16 wraps, de-wind the extra turns to leave a very tight center of 8 or 9 turns perfectly with the resulting metal memory of a screen door spring. No crunchy, squeezy, pinchy required. Torch it right on the screwdriver, if you like, and install it intact right on that KF. Invert the coil (8 turns facing up), separate the turns and extend into the posts, tighten in place and consider…those end legs are fighting to resume the position you wound them in. Always trying to be a coil. Pulse the mod and squeeze them together until you get an even burn from the center to perfect your contact coil. You now have an annealed burned in coil and you haven't had to manhandle a single wire.

We're using coils that weren't considered functional even at the start of electronics. t believe if you review these two threads you're going to find the basics you need and fine tune the building technique you're going to want for just about any kind of device you're likely to vape...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zers/486794-protank-microcoil-discussion.html

Happy Holidays. Good luck.

 

[umarbutt610]

I'm quite new at the whole vaping thing but I started to think about something better than Protank. So my question is - should I buy Kayfun (Lite or Lite Plus) if I am an unexperienced user? Wouldn't it be too difficult to use and will I be able to rebuild the heating coils by my own? Or I should better look for something more simple?

Thank you for your answers.

Hi I am new at this and interested to buy kayfun lite. Just wanted to know if you bought and used any yet. and if you did how is it going?

 

[ExCon]

Thank you for your useful answers.

Umarbutt610, not yet, the Svoemesto store is on holiday until January 6th.

 

[G Izlude]

Keep in mind that you can wrap a 1.5 ohm micro coil and it will likely error on your provari. The Kayfun really shines with micro coils and because of that it really shines on mechanical mods. A micro coil is simply a coil that's wound so that each wrap is touching the one next to it. It is, in fact, a series of very deliberate and intentional atomizer shorts, but in this case, we want that; the problem is, it tricks the micro processors in common regulated mods into a fault.

If you do go with a kayfun, I highly recommend using organic or sterile cotton for a wicking medium... it makes maintenance a breeze, and yields a very nice vape. Want to change flavors? just take the kayfun down to it's wick and coil, gently remove the old one, give it a dry burn, rinse slide in a new wick and fill with your new flavor...

Other advantages to cotton wicks are, price, availability. You can't get silica at CVS, but you better believe you can get 10 years worth of cotton wick for $6. That $6 might only buy you about 20 feet of silica, but it will buy you so much cotton you'll probably quit vaping before you use it up.