Kbox 8-40 watt box burns throat

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True, that happens in higher wattages with the more modern atomizers & of course w/acidic liquids/juices. But for the older lifelong smoking tobacco/menthol folks that vape - & are laughed at for being 'tootle puffers' at lower temps with ohm's like 2.4, 2.8 is not a life risk at all & worked great. I'd prefer my mom with this, as she didn't smoke cigarettes all her life thinking about the 4000 chemicals that analogs have - and now, unforunatley at almost 80 she's smoking again cause she can't keep up with the modern-upgrade vape gear being sold. Florida is a tropical retiree state and it kills me to see old people smoking without any easy options.
With ce4s it happens at fairly low wattages, and very, very much easier than with modern atties. In fact, it's far less likely to happen on a modern subohm setup at high wattage. Sorry to say.

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You are most welcome.

I actually was able to use and enjoy one of these toppers on my kbox 8-40 by using a 510 to ego adapter since they are ego threaded. I use both these and the gs-air 2 as my all time go to toppers. Hubby still hasn't moved past the SMOKtech ARO II so it is a good thing I bought a LOT of them but I just couldn't pass up less than 3 bucks each.

PS: I bought the 2.4 Ω ones

These may also be perfect for your mom since they are not glass. Hubby has been using the same one for at least a year now. Instead of the coils that were specifically for them I just bought protank/evod coils for them since a lot of my other toppers use the same coils. It was those that I had to get the insulators for. They are simple and very easy to rebuild. I usually wait until I have about 50 used one and then have a marathon rebuilding day and then we are set again for a very long time.
Ideas and more ideas...you are fantastic.
Wish there were more vapers like you - especially, down here in Miami. Whatever I know, is from getting info. online - as the vape shop around here that opened up , will ignore you if they see someone asking questions that doesn't pertain to their devices - I even tried to buy a darn batt for this kbox & they gave me the cold shoulder - had to walk out w/my tail between my legs. A Vapor-FI, no wonder it's always empty - bet it's the next one to close shop.
I'd love to see meetings & even rallies, full of gray haired people. Wouldn't that be something? To see us in the news, with pro-vape cardboard signs & showing the world "These are the faces of vapers..." I'll even take my shaky mom with a walker. I bet regulations/things would turn around in a heartbeat.
If you don't mind me asking, what battery have you used in your kbox? My other half, got me 2 of the 'Samsung INR18650 25R 20 amp, 4.2 high drain' batt. with a nitecore intellicharger. Maybe, this battery is the wrong one for higher ohms? I don't sub-ohm, think a lower amp/or other type battery would be better - at least for now?
 

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Fortunately there are some great folks around this forum and most of them will go out of their way to help you in any way they can. You may want to pop into the older folks thread. You won't meet a greater group of folks anywhere on the net.
Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

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is the one I use in all of my devices that use replaceable batteries. I never vape above 15 watts so they work well for me. Your other half done good :) Those batteries should work well for you. The good thing about using them with higher ohms, you won't have to charge as often.
 
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Fortunately there are some great folks around this forum and most of them will go out of their way to help you in any way they can. You may want to pop into the older folks thread. You won't meet a greater group of folks anywhere on the net.
Older Folks and Vaping Front Porch - Part 5

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is the one I use in all of my devices that use replaceable batteries. I never vape above 15 watts so they work well for me. Your other half done good :) Those batteries should work well for you. The good thing about using them with higher ohms, you won't have to charge as often.
Thanks so much for your tips. Those must be the "chocolates" I read about somewhere. As for my other half, believe it or not, doesn't smoke or vape- got the batteries online from a place that sells flashlights. Hearts in the right place.
I'll take a peep in the 'older folks & vaping front porch'.
mmatiem, thanks a bunch for your help.
 
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With ce4s it happens at fairly low wattages, and very, very much easier than with modern atties. In fact, it's far less likely to happen on a modern subohm setup at high wattage. Sorry to say.

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Sorry I missed your reply.
You do have a point with plastics. Common sense dictactes that even foods microwaved in plastic are bad, but we all use them here. Here in FL, it gets horribly hot - so hot, that this winter I never wore a long sleeve shirt; & now, summer is coming which is unbearable to most. The majority of our foods, sodas, milks, juices, water, mouthwashes, infinite etc's are all packaged in plastic-including skin lotions when we go to the beach. We've been advised, time & time again, to keep things as cool as possible as plastic leak chemicals into our foods. I really don't think, that at my stage of the game a plastic atomizer is going to kill us in FL. If it did, I would be dead with all the plastic leakage already cemented in my body, that started even before I started smoking cigarettes.
 

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Sorry I missed your reply.
You do have a point with plastics. Common sense dictactes that even foods microwaved in plastic are bad, but we all use them here. Here in FL, it gets horribly hot - so hot, that this winter I never wore a long sleeve shirt; & now, summer is coming which is unbearable to most. The majority of our foods, sodas, milks, juices, water, mouthwashes, infinite etc's are all packaged in plastic-including skin lotions when we go to the beach. We've been advised, time & time again, to keep things as cool as possible as plastic leak chemicals into our foods. I really don't think, that at my stage of the game a plastic atomizer is going to kill us in FL. If it did, I would be dead with all the plastic leakage already cemented in my body, that started even before I started smoking cigarettes.
It's not the plastics, it's the overall design of the ce4. They are simply prone to overheat the liquid at even very low power levels.

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My other half, got me 2 of the 'Samsung INR18650 25R 20 amp, 4.2 high drain' batt. with a nitecore intellicharger. Maybe, this battery is the wrong one for higher ohms? I don't sub-ohm, think a lower amp/or other type battery would be better - at least for now?

That'll do just fine.

Either a battery is capable of the power you need or it's not.

It's only "available" if you need it.

That doesn't dictate anything else.

So a more powerful cell isn't going to make your regulated device output more.

The 25R is a fantastic cell for nearly all vapers.

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That'll do just fine.

Either a battery is capable of the power you need or it's not.

It's only "available" if you need it.

That doesn't dictate anything else.

So a more powerful cell isn't going to make your regulated device output more.

The 25R is a fantastic cell for nearly all vapers.

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Thanks for making me understand the workings of the battery, in such a clear and simple manner. :)
 
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Ideas and more ideas...you are fantastic.
Wish there were more vapers like you - especially, down here in Miami. Whatever I know, is from getting info. online - as the vape shop around here that opened up , will ignore you if they see someone asking questions that doesn't pertain to their devices - I even tried to buy a darn batt for this kbox & they gave me the cold shoulder - had to walk out w/my tail between my legs. A Vapor-FI, no wonder it's always empty - bet it's the next one to close shop.
I'd love to see meetings & even rallies, full of gray haired people. Wouldn't that be something? To see us in the news, with pro-vape cardboard signs & showing the world "These are the faces of vapers..." I'll even take my shaky mom with a walker. I bet regulations/things would turn around in a heartbeat.
If you don't mind me asking, what battery have you used in your kbox? My other half, got me 2 of the 'Samsung INR18650 25R 20 amp, 4.2 high drain' batt. with a nitecore intellicharger. Maybe, this battery is the wrong one for higher ohms? I don't sub-ohm, think a lower amp/or other type battery would be better - at least for now?
Yes, a "Vape In",, held at Coconut Grove of course..
 
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Yes, a "Vape In",, held at Coconut Grove of course..
Did you recognize my avatar?
The atmosphere has changed drastically, but remember the 70's bohemian feeling of the grove back then & going to Monty's for baskets of fried shrimp, oysters & big pitchers of beer? Maybe, we should all go in tie-tyed shirts, bell bottoms, leather sandals, clogs or even the earth shoes. Of course, that would defeat the purpose. In this case, we'd have to not dye our hair (men & women) & have some arrive with canes, walkers to be taken seriously.
I'd love it (even meetings maybe at Peacock park or the dog park which has picnic tables further east) - though how on earth, to get a whole bunch of '50+ yrs young' vapers' together? Like you mentioned...there's not many, as it is, running in the wild - about 5yrs ago yes, but not now. I see more people smoking cigarettes down here, which is very unfortunate. I know the vaping community/vape shops don't cater to us , but if only they envisioned the future, even their very own - in that they need us really bad, for the 'vaping movement' - more than than they think they do.
 
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    On the one hand, something that would work with the KBox at 8 watts wouldn't be a big leap and almost anything other than a CE4 would be an improvement. On the other hand, the KBox is such a stupid design with no fine-tunability, if I had to choose fine adjustment over range I'd go the other way for sure. You can run something that works with exactly 8 watts or 40, but not 7 or 9 ... wow. .. P.S. and that it's variable power not voltage means you can't even tweak it with coil resistance. Just coil size, airflow etc.
     
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    On the one hand, something that would work with the KBox at 8 watts wouldn't be a big leap and almost anything other than a CE4 would be an improvement. On the other hand, the KBox is such a stupid design with no fine-tunability, if I had to choose fine adjustment over range I'd go the other way for sure. You can run something that works with exactly 8 watts or 40, but not 7 or 9 ... wow. .. P.S. and that it's variable power not voltage means you can't even tweak it with coil resistance. Just coil size, airflow etc.
    I understand. I agree that the K-box can't be tuned. I have MPV's with the digital screen. But, spouse bought it thinking it would be better, in not having to throw away the whole shabang in the trash like I've been doing and simply have a simple device to throw a battery in. As for the ce4 type clearomizers, I'm aware there are better things out there - as the Vivi's. But I have more than 2 dozen Vivi's here that I'd like to keep using, if I could. The thing on my insistance on vape shops selling/catering to these, is that if they are entry level/gateway devices for the vaping world - they will add more folks like older lifelong smokers; as they are slimmer, easier, more comfortable...the ce4 line feels more like a cigarette w/slim ego batteries. Plus, many will like/love the invention like we all did before the bigger/heavier equipment existed-not so intimidating to the newcomers... & who knows (?) many will move on to the bigger and more wattages, volts, etc. They do have an upside to all ages. They are insconspicuous - simply put in a pocket or palm of hand. Perfect to go to the movies, bathrooms, workplaces without blowing too much smoke. As we all know, It's really nerve wrecking to not be able to have a vape when one wants. I've even used them at movies, bathroom stalls, sitting at the docs office (odorless or menthol) and when he walks in I breathe deeply, swallow and that's that.
     
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    I don't buy any mods unless they go from 1-75w. Sometimes I like lower and then higher. 8w at times is too hot.
    I totally agree. With my MPV's I adjust to 6. More than that, burns my throat*.

    *Just want to add that when I wrote "burns my throat", it's not that it actually burning, nor I feel any damage, bleeding or anything similiar...it's that yes, it feels way too hot.
     
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    I understand. I agree that the K-box can't be tuned. I have MPV's with the digital screen. But, spouse bought it thinking it would be better, in not having to throw away the whole shabang in the trash like I've been doing and simply have a simple device to throw a battery in. As for the ce4 type clearomizers, I'm aware there are better things out there - as the Vivi's. But I have more than 2 dozen Vivi's here that I'd like to keep using, if I could. The thing on my insistance on vape shops selling/catering to these, is that if they are entry level/gateway devices for the vaping world - they will add more folks like older lifelong smokers; as they are slimmer, easier, more comfortable...the ce4 line feels more like a cigarette w/slim ego batteries. Plus, many will like/love the invention like we all did before the bigger/heavier equipment existed-not so intimidating to the newcomers... & who knows (?) many will move on to the bigger and more wattages, volts, etc. They do have an upside to all ages. They are insconspicuous - simply put in a pocket or palm of hand. Perfect to go to the movies, bathrooms, workplaces without blowing too much smoke. As we all know, It's really nerve wrecking to not be able to have a vape when one wants. I've even used them at movies, bathroom stalls, sitting at the docs office (odorless or menthol) and when he walks in I breathe deeply, swallow and that's that.

    When I first saw the KBox, it seemed a brilliant simplification for about 30 seconds until I realized it wasn't. But while there is no fine adjustment, one always has to adjust somewhat with technique or at least be consistent. They are 510 connector, most of the recent tanks are, which I don't like using on eGo batteries. I need to try a GS Air or Endura T18 myself. The T18 as a set comes with a supposed 14W battery, maybe that would work at 13W or maybe the KBox 8W setting would actually be more to your taste ;) -- they're top coil too. A K1 or EVOD2 should also easily absorb 8W.

    As to your Vivi's there are a lot of options just not the K.

    Actually I think most of the new big gear sucks too (for me at least).... I have a still-smoking friend who just got a CE4 and likes it, he takes really short hits and I guess it feels more controllable. To me they don't keep up and I prefer EVODs, still used very carefully though with a fire button heat regulation on my normal long drags.
     
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    The eleaf istick basic was made along the same lines as the kbox except it has a built in battery. Fortunately I just have one of each. The basic has no adjustments at all. It is designed to accept the gs-air 2 with a .75Ω coil. I do like the shape and size of it but I think it would have been more popular if they had made it adjustable.

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    I guess all companies have their oops moments and end up making devices that could use improvements. I would invest in several of the basics if they would redesign it with variable power. I settled on the kbox mini for my backups. Nice shape, nice size, adjustable and no internal battery. I have now settled on the gs-air 2 as my go to topper with 1.2Ω coils. Fortunately I have learned how to rebuild the coils so I should be good to go for a very long time.

    I would love to find a small RTA that I could enjoy but all of them are so big. I guess that is because folks want a bigger build deck for bigger coils but it isn't for me. I prefer toppers that hold 2 or less mls of e-liquid. Something along the lines of the protank mini, mini Davide and of course my gs-air 2.

    I would be willing to bet that you could use your kboxes if you were to get at least 1 gs-air 2. They come with a .75Ω coil installed in them. I could be wrong but I think it would work at the 13 watt setting. JMHO
     
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