KENTUCKY: Statwide Bill Proposed to Ban Smoking and Vaping

[house mouse]

This is laughable coming from a state who uses tobacco as a Major income.

It's laughable thinking they can enforce it. Are they going to resort to cameras in bathroom stalls and hotel rooms to catch a vaper? There is simply no way to catch someone vaping that doesn't want to be caught.

 

[Zeroi]

I guess they are just a joker... hence i can't even catch what the mouse sneaking/eating behind my Walls.
(I think i going to install a Camera in it. but i going to drill a few holes and buy the pin hole camera.)

I think is waste of time, forget it.

It's laughable thinking they can enforce it. Are they going to resort to cameras in bathroom stalls and hotel rooms to catch a vaper? There is simply no way to catch someone vaping that doesn't want to be caught.

 

[Zeroi]

I guess, we have to Come up with a Real Good movie to actually to tell the Public and let them see what is the Benefit of E-cig. hence why government Don't they just give up?
I believe if 2012 is not the end of the World than Our Future Generation may not even know how Tobacco look like as they maybe just purely Vapers from the Beginning.
Is there any movie Director or Story makers here?

This topic is also being discussed in the Bluegrass Vapers social forum. I was asked to provide some guidance on how to fight the ban. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ing-vaping-ban-bill-introduced-jan-6-a-2.html

 

[sweetblackkitten]

haha in kentucky? when do we find out if this passed? even if it does, good luck enforcing it!

 

[rothenbj]

Here's recent info-

Debate over statewide smoking ban in Kentucky | Tobacco Facts.

and the entire bill-

11RS HB193

Finally links to the Health Committee that will pass it to the house. Five of the sponsors of the bill are in this group-

Committee Members

 

[warbdan]

I've emailed these baphoons, but have yet to get a response. Keep us updated. When it's time to march on Frankfort I'll be there. At least they aren't trying to sneak in a ban on sales of e-cigs like those .......s in NY.

 

[Bustastew]

I called for westrom but she was in a meeting. I had them forward a message to her requesting that she looks into Dr. Michael Seigel's research. Now if they go through with banning ecigs along with cigarettes there is no excuse to their disreguard for our health. The tiresome propaganda has no more legs to stand on!

 

[porkchopsisgood]

This is laughable coming from a state who uses tobacco as a Major income.

I'd say it's totally expected from a state which uses tobacco as a major income, and whose former Surgeon General is now the Surgeon General of the United States.

As tobacco is, and always will be, a major cash crop in Kentucky, it stands to reason that they would focus a ban toward any product that mimics it. If they can effectively enforce a smoking ban in Louisville, then they feel they can do so for the entire state...logic reasoning. It is also sound reasoning that most state legislators would be compelled, through pressure from any constituent connected to tobacco, to effectively ban vaping in the same manner as smoking. Nobody in the tobacco industry wishes to see their consumers choose an alternative to their product; especially one that is as effective in cessation as vaping.

You didn't see anyone from Big Tobacco up in arms when the patch came out, did you? No worries there..."you'll be back." Big Tobacco has the same attitude as a casino when it comes to their respective products: they can show us how to play the game, assure us that the house has the advantage, and yet we still gamble (only not with our money, but with our lives). They know the "house always wins." Using the same metaphor, they see vaping as card counting...they want to call in Robert De Niro to break our fingers...

An alternative method to us is a life saver. To Big Tobacco it's a bank breaker.

 

[kristin]

Except that all of the nicotine comes from tobacco crops - so it's win-win for the tobacco industry. Either they sell it to us in leaf form, lozenge form or in liquid form - what do they care?

 

[pianoguy]

Except that all of the nicotine comes from tobacco crops - so it's win-win for the tobacco industry. Either they sell it to us in leaf form, lozenge form or in liquid form - what do they care?

I agree - the pharmaceutical and health care industries have much more to lose. The pharmas not only in NRT's and Chantix, etc. but also we're seeing some people not needing high blood pressure meds, asthma inhalers, COPD meds, etc. anymore. And then there's that last year of life, where the health care system gets all your money. The 20% of population that smokes must be a gravy train currently, so imagine the hit to the bottom line if that last year of life is pushed out 5, 10, 20 years because of a safer alternative.

 

[Stownz]

Except that all of the nicotine comes from tobacco crops - so it's win-win for the tobacco industry. Either they sell it to us in leaf form, lozenge form or in liquid form - what do they care?

Because everyone is buying the nic from china. Would be completely insane to buy it from a local supplier when it costs $120 a kilo from china.

 

[kristin]

Call me insane, then. I only buy U.S. made liquid from U.S. vendors.

Knowing it's DEG-free is worth paying more. (Plus, it just tastes better!)

 

[porkchopsisgood]

Call me insane, then. I only buy U.S. made liquid from U.S. vendors.

Knowing it's DEG-free is worth paying more. (Plus, it just tastes better!)

Hear, Hear.

 

[RooksGambit]

Been looking into this more: The next public hearing that will include this issue is at the Madison County Health Department board meeting on April 6th. I intend to be there, and I intend to bring support in the form of pro-vaping family and friends. I would encourage any and all Kentucky vapers to do the same. Or even better, come out to the next Bluegrass Vapers meet at the Buffalo Trace distillery March 12th @ 1pm.

Also, Susan Westrom and Kelly Owens (two of the big proponents of the ban, and specifically it's inclusion of e-cigs) are very much in league with Ellen Hahn, our local equivalent of John Banzaff. There will be no reasoning with the two of them. The other sponsors and officials, however, may be a different story. This state's looking like a hot bed of anti-activity right now. Its going to be a tough fight, I think.

And I'm with Kristin, I only buy USA made for various reasons. Call me crazy.

 

[Turnkeys]

Call me insane, then. I only buy U.S. made liquid from U.S. vendors.

Knowing it's DEG-free is worth paying more. (Plus, it just tastes better!)

Call me insane too!! lol

Quality over quantity. Besides I'm pretty sure my shipments won't be seized at the Wa State border.

 

[deusXmchna]

<snip> I only buy U.S. made liquid from U.S. vendors.

<snip>

That doesn't necessarily mean that the nicotine itself is coming from stateside chem suppliers,.
(or that those suppliers didn't order it in drum barrels from china, and break it down, as is often the case)

 

[throatkick]

I'm encouraged by the proposed ban because it will mean that more smokers might be motivated to try e-cigs.

This always was the goal. These are the new form of commercials.

 

[deusXmchna]

Among Susan Westroms Top economic interests financing her:
#3 Healthcare (including Pharma)

Watkins 3rd largest contributor by financial interest is:
Healthcare! (again!)

Neither one seem to owe Tobacco Co's anything.

Both seem to be in the pocket of Healthcare.
I know we like to dislike the tobacco co's, but when looking over campaign finance records of various politicians, in various states, Tobacco starts to fall off the map in '00, almost completely off most politicians maps by '02-'04- and Healthcare including Pharma, or just Pharma by itself moves into many (most?) of the top 5 spots, sometime top 2, right under party contributions.

I bring this fact to light, because a fight against Big Pharma, is a much different fight than one against Tobacco.
Fighting like you're fighting against Tobacco Co's could actually backfire, and give Pharma more ammo.
I'm hope those in he trenches see where I'm going with this, because i'm too exhausted to explain it.
Up all night vaping samples....

 

[RooksGambit]

I have never believed BT was our core adversary. They want to see if this becomes a legitimized market, because I guarantee you they've been doing R&D on their own version. BP funds a lot of anti's, particularly the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation. This is certainly the case for Ellen Hahn. Being that Westrom and Owens are a part of her cavalcade, I will assume this includes them by extension.

 

[Vocalek]

I have proof that the Alphabet Soup agencies are behind the push to implement bans, in their own words. Keep in mind that the cancer, lung, and heart non-profits are not supported by BT contributions -- they are supported by huge donations from pharma.

http://www.ttac.org/TCN/tfp/2010/may-2010/pdfs/Policy_Guidance_E-Cigarettes.pdf

These organizations also filed Amicus Briefs on behalf of the FDA in the case of Smoking Everywhere & Sottera Inc (dba NJOY) v U S Food and Drug Administration. These are posted on the CASAA documents page: CASAA.org

And then there is this coming from the KY Center for Smoke-free Policy
http://www.mc.uky.edu/tobaccopolicy/KCSP/OnePagers/OnePagerECigandSFPolicy.pdf