Hmm.. so you use a nano bottom ring, and a full sized top ring? Which chimney do you use, the full size or the shortie?
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Hmm.. so you use a nano bottom ring, and a full sized top ring? Which chimney do you use, the full size or the shortie?
Andria
The nano kit cuts off 10mm from the full size kayfun. If you only use 1 ring, instead of both, you're cutting it down 5mm.
I'm assuming you still use the full size chimney and not the nano chimney?
This is not a fault of the nano design but rather a lack of understanding of functional differences.
Nano is simply a tank that holds liquid. No different than a standard or XL carto tank.
The difference is in what goes on in the coil chamber(like Cartos) Length makes a difference. Difference means possible change is needed.
With a Nano< Short> tank kit, you receive a Short Chimney cap. Your lips and consequently, your throat/lungs are Closer to the Coil. If you were already enjoying a nice warm Vape, it may become a Harsh Hot vape. Sometimes interpreted as burnt.
This simply means you need to reduce power a bit, if using a regulated mod or Re-coil at a bit higher resistance if on a Mechanical.
Do not accept as gospel, the recommended resistances others claim are right. It is what works for you that is key.
I run my Kayfuns from 1.3-1.8ohms. Some go as low as .7ohms and others up to 2.8ohms.
This is something each individual has to work out.
You don't throw the baby out because the bath water is to hot. You make the necessary adjustments.
Nano's - I have 6 kayfuns, 4 in nano and 2 different styles. My Nano KF's vape exactly like the standards.
The typical Nano kit actually only holds 1.7-2 Ml. I can empty one in under 2 hours.( First is size and second is good wicking.)
Mt Top Cap Nano's Are no larger and last several hours. They are all god for reduced use for special or rich flavors that are no ADV's.
My ADV favorites go in the Full size and travel with me.
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This is not a fault of the nano design but rather a lack of understanding of functional differences.
Nano is simply a tank that holds liquid. No different than a standard or XL carto tank.
The difference is in what goes on in the coil chamber(like Cartos) Length makes a difference. Difference means possible change is needed.
With a Nano< Short> tank kit, you receive a Short Chimney cap. Your lips and consequently, your throat/lungs are Closer to the Coil. If you were already enjoying a nice warm Vape, it may become a Harsh Hot vape. Sometimes interpreted as burnt.
This simply means you need to reduce power a bit, if using a regulated mod or Re-coil at a bit higher resistance if on a Mechanical.
Do not accept as gospel, the recommended resistances others claim are right. It is what works for you that is key.
I run my Kayfuns from 1.3-1.8ohms. Some go as low as .7ohms and others up to 2.8ohms.
This is something each individual has to work out.
You don't throw the baby out because the bath water is to hot. You make the necessary adjustments.
Nano's - I have 6 kayfuns, 4 in nano and 2 different styles. My Nano KF's vape exactly like the standards.
The typical Nano kit actually only holds 1.7-2 Ml. I can empty one in under 2 hours.( First is size and second is good wicking.)
Mt Top Cap Nano's Are no larger and last several hours. They are all god for reduced use for special or rich flavors that are no ADV's.
My ADV favorites go in the Full size and travel with me.
AHA! So the build IS different! I've been using something like 1.7-2 ohms for my full size, so I guess I should go back to the 2.5 ohms coils like those I made for the T3S! Thank you! That might help a great deal!!
Andria
maybe this helps but I've found out that for me if I fill the tank completly full I get dry hits I think it has to do with the inside pressure and the vacuum nas it gets sorted once I get to a certain level of juice, I no longer fill the up entirely
I've never filled either one all the way, for just that reason. It's nothing to do with that -- I think Crxess nailed it, the coil needs to be somewhat cooler, so I'll make a 2.5 Ω coil for it. With the T3S tanks I had to use 32ga to get it physically small enough to fit, but that's not an issue with a kayfun, so I'll use 30ga, it should be about 12 wraps, so it'll be a slow coil, and that might help a lot too; it helped with the too-much-TH problem I was having with my Caterpillar, to build a cooler, slower coil.
But I'm busy with banking/bill paying junk today, since it's payday, so it'll have to wait till tonight, when I have some time to tinker.
Andria
EDIT: I'm still waiting to hear which chimney to use, when you use 1 full ring and 1 nano ring; I had that idea myself, but didn't know which chimney to use, so I never tried it.
But I'm busy with banking/bill paying junk today, since it's payday, so it'll have to wait till tonight, when I have some time to tinker.
Andria
EDIT: I'm still waiting to hear which chimney to use, when you use 1 full ring and 1 nano ring; I had that idea myself, but didn't know which chimney to use, so I never tried it.
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What do you mean by "Top Cap nano"? One of the custom milled caps?
With my FT nano kit on a FT tobeco, if I remember correctly from the one time I measured with a syringe, it barely holds 1.5 ml. The top cap isn't milled out at all. I like the looks on a 18350 mod. Since I have several full sized ones going too, I just keep one of my less used flavors in the nano. I don't notice any real difference in the way it works compared to a full size.
This one, holds a bit more:
$6.61 Custom Top Cap Kayfun Kit at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Also - Customs on Ebay that are more hollow to hold even more.
Nano/Full Ring = Kayfun Midi. Requires original Chimney top cap(longer) and may require drilling up through Top Cap to allow clearance. Depends on the Clone's actual machining. Some are a drop in fit without modifications.
Having several clones I notices some Chimney tops are longer, some are slightly fatter. Top Caps also have several different openings to accommodate their particular Chimney.
* This is what it is all about. Learning to adapt to create what YOU want in a Mod/Topper!
Edit - 32Ga wire....................Not so good for RBA tanks. Good mods heat wire quickly. The thinner the wire the faster it heats.........and starts to burn liquids.
If you take notice - Many building Sub Ohm Drippers are going as low as 24ga. and some much lower(Fatter) This not only allows Lower Ohms without Popping a coil, but slows the process to make use manageable.
Imagine trying to take a 1/4 second draw on a 36ga. build at .25 ohms.........If it could even be done.
AndriaD - Going to a 30Ga may be all you need. I would test first and raise only minimally as needed.
I build All my Kayfuns in 30ga for all my tank sizes. I fine it works consistently well and is easier to attach than thicker wire.
I build from 1.3ohm to 1.8ohm depending on flavor types to be used in that tank.
$6.61 Custom Top Cap Kayfun Kit at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
Also - Customs on Ebay that are more hollow to hold even more.
Nano/Full Ring = Kayfun Midi. Requires original Chimney top cap(longer) and may require drilling up through Top Cap to allow clearance. Depends on the Clone's actual machining. Some are a drop in fit without modifications.
Having several clones I notices some Chimney tops are longer, some are slightly fatter. Top Caps also have several different openings to accommodate their particular Chimney.
* This is what it is all about. Learning to adapt to create what YOU want in a Mod/Topper!
Edit - 32Ga wire....................Not so good for RBA tanks. Good mods heat wire quickly. The thinner the wire the faster it heats.........and starts to burn liquids.
If you take notice - Many building Sub Ohm Drippers are going as low as 24ga. and some much lower(Fatter) This not only allows Lower Ohms without Popping a coil, but slows the process to make use manageable.
Imagine trying to take a 1/4 second draw on a 36ga. build at .25 ohms.........If it could even be done.
AndriaD - Going to a 30Ga may be all you need. I would test first and raise only minimally as needed.
I build All my Kayfuns in 30ga for all my tank sizes. I fine it works consistently well and is easier to attach than thicker wire.
I build from 1.3ohm to 1.8ohm depending on flavor types to be used in that tank.
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You misunderstood; I used 32ga *on the T3S* builds, because they have to fit in such a small space. I've always used 30ga for the kayfun, though once tried 28ga. But, I've always built coils in the 1-7-2.0 range for the kayfun, so I need to build one with more wraps for a 2.5Ω coil. The additional wraps, besides making more resistance and therefore a bit cooler, will also make it slower, which also should help, as it did for my Caterpillar.
Also got some good tips in the thread for showing your working coil/wick, for attaching the wires, to keep from pulling the wraps apart when tightening.
Andria
EDIT: Ok I worked it out, in the steam engine calc --
30ga - target ohms: 2.6 - 3/32 diameter - 10 wraps
If that doesn't work well enough, then I'll try this:
28ga - target ohms: 2.6 - 1/8 diameter - 12 wraps
The larger diameter will keep it airier to help prevent the burning I've been getting; the extra wraps of even thicker wire will also slow it down considerably.
So tonight when dinner's done and I don't have any more chores to tend to, I'll sit down and tinker with this.
Thx!!
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Yes I use the full sized top ring and the regular chimney. The standard drip tip still works as the bore is large enough, actually makes it less wiggly. I have also found a few drip tips that have large bores so using the regular chimney is not a problem.
5mm doesn't seem like much, but when I use the beauty ring with it on my ProVaris it actually looks like a Kayfun/Provari hybrid. The red is a full sized KFL, the blue a shorty.
5mm doesn't seem like much, but when I use the beauty ring with it on my ProVaris it actually looks like a Kayfun/Provari hybrid. The red is a full sized KFL, the blue a shorty.
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I ordered two of these, and they are terrible. The top cap is a smidge too tight and rips up the threads of the plastic tank and o-ring. I just use the extra bottom ring.
I would NOT use this top cap.
Yes they are tight. No, worked properly they do no damage, fit perfectly and never leak.
Everyone has their preferences and reasoning.
If you wish to get rid of them pm me.
Yes they are tight. No, worked properly they do no damage, fit perfectly and never leak.
Everyone has their preferences and reasoning.
If you wish to get rid of them pm me.
Worked properly?
They thread on to a piece of plastic (or metal). I'm working them properly. They are simply too tight on my Kayfuns.
I'll keep them because I use the bottom rings to make another nano-ized Kayfun. They're not worth selling because even new they're cheap!
1.2 would kill me; I can just about handle 1.6-1.7. I decided to try out that half-way-full half-way-nano; since we're going to visit my mom in the hospital tomorrow, I thought a slightly shorter PV would be good in my purse, so using the half-way tank, which doesn't sacrifice so much liquid volume, and instead of 2 stacked '350s as I usually run, just the one 18650, and it really does take considerable off the height. Since it's not the tiny nano, I decided to compromise a bit on the coil, and used 9 wraps of 30ga on a 3/32, which yielded a 2.3 ohm coil -- a good bit higher resistance than I would use on the full size, but not as high as I'll probably try for, with the whole nano. Still somewhat in the break-in phase, but it seems ok at 6.5w, which is about 1, 1.5, or 2 watts lower than I would normally run with the full size, which I vary somewhere between 7.5 and 8.5w. I'll have to wait and see if it can refrain from giving me a burnt taste.
But now I'm gonna have to get some kind of glass tank for my kayfun; went to a local B&M tonight and got a couple of new juices; one is "pineapple express", which I know better than to try in a plastic tank. Got it in my ARO Pyrex right now, and it's yummy, I can only imagine how great it would be from a kayfun. The other one I got should be fine in plastic, "blueberry muffin." Got it in the caterpillar right now, but dang it, that thing's throat hit just about kills me, so as good as it tastes, I can't really enjoy it since after each hit, I'm doubled over coughing -- and that's with a 2.2 ohm coil, one airhole open so I can feel like I'm getting *something*, and the one airhole right in front of the coil. I may end up selling or trading that Caterpillar, and maybe get an IGo-L or something. *sigh* My new R91 clone should be here tomorrow, so I can try the blueberry muffin in a "kayfun" without giving up my ADV Virginia in the kayfun.
Andria
My Sigelei Zmax v3 flat-top, though I'm not, right now; just the 18650 right now, and I have another also. They're all the safe kind. I wouldn't do it otherwise, batteries scare the bejeebers out of me.
Andria
I haunted the Sigelei thread for a good while, when I was shopping for my next mod, learning about the Sigelei, and then after I first got it, and one of the "regulars" therein is JeremyR, whom I quizzed unmercifully regarding battery safety -- AFTER reading the article about them in the ECF library. So I bought eFest Hi-Drain batteries, rather that something that costs less and *appears* to offer greater mAh, because I'd really rather be safe than save a few cents or even a few dollars, and my husband (the breadwinner!) agrees with me completely. I keep my two pairs of '350s in their proper pairs, because one set is flat, the other is button, and they are both always charged together and always used together; they are "rested" after charging, usually for about 24 hrs, and I check the voltage of them when I first insert them, throughout their life cycle, and make sure to remove and charge them before they get to "LOW VOL" on the Sigelei's display -- and never ever charge unattended. My face is 53 yrs old and shows it terribly, but I'd still rather keep it where it is, than splattered over the wall, and we just bought this house 2.5 yrs ago, the first one we've EVER bought, so I'm quite fond of it and have no desire to even risk burning it down. Oh, and I have no desire and no intention of EVER sub-ohming, in fact I don't go below 1.5 ohms as it's just too hot for me.
But you just cannot beat the longevity of stacked '350s. I can get 2 or 2 and half days out of them, used that way, and that is just... liberating!
Andria
BTW, it's been about 2.5 hrs now since I started this half-and-half tank, and it's working very well; no burnt tastes at all. Yay! It also really fixes that low-volume problem, still got plenty of e-juice in the tank and it's nearly my bedtime, so that's terrific, a great compromise between a lower profile and less volume.
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