KFL+...Sloth's Vapourney Continues

[Sloth Tonight]

In the user's manual it did mention solutions for dry hits, but I think you have tried all of them. I have had dry hits on a few of my builds. I have not been able to identify the problem yet. I do the primer hits (cover the air hole and hit on it two or three times) frequently to get through the tank and then dry burn/rewick afterward. I wish I knew why some builds are perfect and others aren't.

For me, I believe it is loose assembly more than anything else. It is difficult to tighten without overtightening! At first, when the Orings were new, I did have to keep an eye on the connections and tighten it a wee bit from time to time as they 'seated' (probably the wrong word, but it describes what I am thinking).

I have a tiny drop of liquid escape from the air hole from time to time and also from the connection between tanks (the second is much more rare). I wipe it off, check for leaks and move on. I have decided that I love my KF3.1 and I just put up with the occasional issues. Some builds are perfect. Some builds are perfect for a bit and then I get dry hits. Seems like the dry hits are when the tank is full more than anything else. I just do primer pulls and keep on vaping until it is empty and then I will dry burn, rewick and try to ensure everything is very snug.

Can you actually overtighten anything on the kfl+? It may be I'm not tightening enough or too much if so. The ONLY other thing I can think of...this issue started when I switched to the full size plastic tank section. didn't have this problem prior to that but I haven't seen any reason that should be a problem, just a coincidence

 

[built4feel]

Can you actually overtighten anything on the kfl+? It may be I'm not tightening enough or too much if so. The ONLY other thing I can think of...this issue started when I switched to the full size plastic tank section. didn't have this problem prior to that but I haven't seen any reason that should be a problem, just a coincidence

I agree with coincidence, since the full-plastic section looks almost identical in length to the metal-plastic-middle-section I have on mine now... Sorry to hear you're having a hard time with it, but don't get discouraged! The battle is half the victory, or something like that....

Sounds like the build just isn't at the right ohm, angle, amount of wick/placement of wick (the wicking being the hardest for me, and I anyone, probably...)..

I guess I was pretty lucky on my first build in this device, but I did take a lot of time with it... I sorta imagined how the juice would get sucked up through the canal's and to the coil, and made sure it wasn't bunched up through the coil, because the cotton WILL expand when juice is absorbed!! Haven't had any leaking or dry hits (maybe a few, but nothing unsatisfactory)... I wicked mine just like Distro's (and remie's), but not as beautifully... With the tightening...I made sure it was tight enough to not loosen by itself.
Good luck my friend! Take a break from it. Clean it really good, then start fresh. Im really OCD when it comes to rewicking. I will clean the device, let it dry, while Im thinking about how I want to rebuild/wick that bad boy, so itll be better than last time! Then I take my time while doing it (sometimes )

In the user's manual it did mention solutions for dry hits, but I think you have tried all of them. I have had dry hits on a few of my builds. I have not been able to identify the problem yet. I do the primer hits (cover the air hole and hit on it two or three times) frequently to get through the tank and then dry burn/rewick afterward. I wish I knew why some builds are perfect and others aren't.

For me, I believe it is loose assembly more than anything else. It is difficult to tighten without overtightening! At first, when the Orings were new, I did have to keep an eye on the connections and tighten it a wee bit from time to time as they 'seated' (probably the wrong word, but it describes what I am thinking).

I have a tiny drop of liquid escape from the air hole from time to time and also from the connection between tanks (the second is much more rare). I wipe it off, check for leaks and move on. I have decided that I love my KF3.1 and I just put up with the occasional issues. Some builds are perfect. Some builds are perfect for a bit and then I get dry hits. Seems like the dry hits are when the tank is full more than anything else. I just do primer pulls and keep on vaping until it is empty and then I will dry burn, rewick and try to ensure everything is very snug.

 

[distortoblotto]

The KF only needs to be tightened down just snug enough to make the seal. Perform the suction leak test before filling the tank. If you don't draw any air, you are good to go!

 

[Kent Brooks]

you guys work some magic, for sure. I may just skip to a gosh-darn REO. seems theoretically it would be easiest of all

All the fiddling with the Kayfun is what spurred me on to a REO, LOL.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

All the fiddling with the Kayfun is what spurred me on to a REO, LOL.

Really? It's about to do it to me. I just posted over on the REO forum about this. REO used to intimidate me but now I know I can build coils and wick etc so it seems like soooo much less hassle than this x.x I may have to skip ordering more juice on pay day, don't take it personally if so. Its only so I can actually enjoy the juices I have on hand LOL

I did just redo it all and, dry hits. It's doing better with the prime puffs and tastes great so I'll at least make it through this tank I think

 

[distortoblotto]

really? It's about to do it to me. I just posted over on the reo forum about this. Reo used to intimidate me but now i know i can build coils and wick etc so it seems like soooo much less hassle than this x.x i may have to skip ordering more juice on pay day, don't take it personally if so. Its only so i can actually enjoy the juices i have on hand lol :d

i did just redo it all and, dry hits. It's doing better with the prime puffs and tastes great so i'll at least make it through this tank i think

Enabled!........

 

[Kent Brooks]

Really? It's about to do it to me. I just posted over on the REO forum about this. REO used to intimidate me but now I know I can build coils and wick etc so it seems like soooo much less hassle than this x.x I may have to skip ordering more juice on pay day, don't take it personally if so. Its only so I can actually enjoy the juices I have on hand LOL

I did just redo it all and, dry hits. It's doing better with the prime puffs and tastes great so I'll at least make it through this tank I think

A great vape is a synergy between the user, the device, and the liquid... hard to enjoy the liquid without the device!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

dang you guys..it's probably happening Friday

 

[penguiness]

I did just redo it all and, dry hits. It's doing better with the prime puffs and tastes great so I'll at least make it through this tank I think

You should be able to slide a toothpick under your coil. When I was using organic cotton balls, I did not have my wick neat like the picture posted above (that is wicked with KGD, which doesn't have "strands" like loose cotton does). My wick was fluffy, not neatly bundled. If your cotton ball wick looks like like the picture distort posted you are not going to wick as well as you could be.

Put the wick in your coil. If you twisted it to feed it in, untwist it. You should be able to slide it back and forth without resistance (but not overly so). Bring the ends of your wick up and put them through the chimney tube (without the chimney top) . Screw the chimney tube on. Cut your wick to about 1/8 inch above the tube. Put a toothpick on each side at the juice channels. Now blow into the tube until the wick is really fluffy. With a needle or other item, GENTLY start pushing strands down towards the deck. The toothpicks will ensure you do not block the juice channels. When you are done, you should be able to see the coil and most of the screws. The wick should not bend down sharply off the ends of the coils (if it does, you will choke off the flow and get dry hits). Remove the toothpicks and assemble the rest of your Kayfun. Just try this method once. It won't hurt anything to give it a try.

"Hot legs" are the cut end of the coil sticking out from under the screws. Occasionally, you will get a fleck of raised metal on the wire that glows red faster than the rest of the coil. These are also called "hot legs". If you have already vaped a tank on this coil you most likely will have burned off any flecks, but the cut ends could still be a problem.

Part of the reason coils are put in Kayfun's at an angle is to route the wicking but it also serves to allow the wire coming off the end of the coil to get closer to the screw post.

Never snug your Kayfun parts very tight. You will warp the o-ring seals and it will leak.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Thanks Penguiness, I will try that next time - tried similarly before but not with the toothpicks, great idea right there. However, announcement. What the KFL has done for me is show me that there truly is an incredible vape experience beyond what I've been using. But it's too much of a PITA for me to enjoy this long term. I mean, hours of frustration, research, all to produce more dry hits. Even if I eventually get it right, it's still a hassle. Tomorrow--pay day--I'm ordering a REO. That's my announcement.

Thank you so much everybody for your help, and don't worry I'm not giving up. But I want SOMETHING solid, durable, hassle free, and reliable, easy to swap out wicks without dumping juice, etc etc. I think the word is REO. can't hurt anything but my bank account. at this point the time saved is worth the money to me completely

 

[distortoblotto]

You do realize that at 1.7 ohms and 4 volts ( which is around 9.9 watts) that you are pushing to outer limits of your coil right? Maybe try lowering your voltage to 3.6 v which is around 7.6 watts will improve things for you or try building a coil to around 2.0 ohms and the giving it another shot.

Heres a link to a handy little chart....

http://vapefeed.blogspot.com/2014/03/wattage-chart-vaping-power.html

It is quite natural for us to push the limits of our equipment while we search for that all too enticing perfect vape.....

On the other hand, that new Reo will solve a lot of your issues in one fell swoop. ( as long as it is built right )

 

[motabrownie]

Thanks Penguiness, I will try that next time - tried similarly before but not with the toothpicks, great idea right there. However, announcement. What the KFL has done for me is show me that there truly is an incredible vape experience beyond what I've been using. But it's too much of a PITA for me to enjoy this long term. I mean, hours of frustration, research, all to produce more dry hits. Even if I eventually get it right, it's still a hassle. Tomorrow--pay day--I'm ordering a REO. That's my announcement.

Thank you so much everybody for your help, and don't worry I'm not giving up. But I want SOMETHING solid, durable, hassle free, and reliable, easy to swap out wicks without dumping juice, etc etc. I think the word is REO. can't hurt anything but my bank account. at this point the time saved is worth the money to me completely

Patience Grasshopper, patience. How long have you been messing with the KFL+? Since Monday lol? Took me a good month before I could wick my KFL+'s consistently. And I think I can speak for all of us who have figured out how to properly coil and wick a KFL+ when I say, once you get it right, its not a hassle at all. Everything about vaping is a 'hassle' if you choose to look it at that way. I choose to look at it as 'fun'. It helps me from getting frustrated lol. Just keep plugging away at it. Youll figure it out

 

[distortoblotto]

Patience Grasshopper, patience. How long have you been messing with the KFL+? Since Monday lol? Took me a good month before I could wick my KFL+'s consistently. And I think I can speak for all of us who have figured out how to properly coil and wick a KFL+ when I say, once you get it right, its not a hassle at all. Everything about vaping is a 'hassle' if you choose to look it at that way. I choose to look at it as 'fun'. It helps me from getting frustrated lol. Just keep plugging away at it. Youll figure it out

Word.......

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Distorto, 4 volts works fine - worked fine before, works fine on my PTs (same resistance and lower as well). I've tried lower than 3.6 volts. I've tried 7 watts. Dry hits. The KFL airflow is either not working properly, or it's just a PITA finding that right amount of cotton and I simply lucked out a couple of times x.x

Mota, I'm not throwing in the towel, I'll keep trying including tonight but I don't agree that it's fun. I actually think the PT maintenance is funner, less hassle, etc. My PTs work flawlessly with ease. Even the coils at this point are easy but the coils are way easier on the KFL. I think coils are pretty easy all around actually

and I don't want anything higher than 1.7 ohms honestly...I'd prefer lower actually, 1.7 was goofed by an extra wrap by mistake

 

[distortoblotto]

Hope I didn't offend you in any way. Just tossing a few things out there to try and help solve the problem. I am an engineer by trade so analyzing problems and trying to solve them comes as second nature to me.

Now that I think about it, I am probably the last one that should be preaching about pushing the limits of equipment because, I tend to do this myself all the time!

 

[Sloth Tonight]

Hope I didn't offend you in any way. Just tossing a few things out there to try and help solve the problem. I am an engineer by trade so analyzing problems and trying to solve them comes as second nature to me.

Now that I think about it, I am probably the last one that should be preaching about pushing the limits of equipment because, I tend to do this myself all the time!

oh lord no, did I come across as offended? I'm really sorry...no no I appreciate any and all input you guys have man. Everything. I'm just pretty sure that's not my issue right now.

I'm thinking tonight or tomorrow I will recoil, but I'm 99% sure I don't need to. I'm just at a loss. If the only problem is my wick, it's truly mind boggling. I nailed it twice and have used that same method/amount of cotton again, as well as other methods and amounts of cotton. I seem to get the best results with a LITTLE bit of cotton (seems less than many of the pics I've seen). My wick right now is the best i've had since 2 nights ago, but it may be a tad short though, that might be my problem with this one

also the thing that gets me is the net is literally FILLED with this very problem. And most of those threads seem to end up with no hope x.x it's why I'm so desiring a REO right now. in comparison to almost any tank they seem easier (and better all around, I already knew that though)

edit - I haven't tried Penguiness's method yet so that's next up

 

[distortoblotto]

All is well! What kind of cotton are you using?

 

[motabrownie]

Hey Sloth, if you have time, take some pics of your coils and wicks and post em.

 

[Sloth Tonight]

yes sorry mota, should have been doing that all along. I'll do pics next time I break it down. most likely tonight except the tank is doing *ok* for now so I intend to finish this one before rewicking

Distorto I'm using 100% organic cotton. never used KGD or Rayon or anything else actually. KGD looks like it may be easier to work with though

 

[distortoblotto]

mota just came up with a fantastic idea! Post'em up and don't be shy! We're going to nail this thing down one way or the other. It's becoming a mission for me now!