KGO owners only!

[NubeeResearcher]

Hey everybody! So I'm new at vaping (just recieved my KGO yesterday), and I want to know what the deal is with the 510/eGo compatibility. Also, I wanna know what you have/love for your KGO.

Example numero uno: I was told in another thread that my kgo has 510 connections, bought a 510 tip and it didn't fit. :[

Example numero dos: Sometimes items on websites have 2 choices for the same item, like for eGo or for 510.

And...just in case my KGO's an eGo and not a 510. What's the difference between eGo A. B, C, -T...when it comes to buying parts and accessories for my KGO?

Also, KGO owners, for things like cartos, drip tips, tips, etc...what are your fav websites? I don't wanna keep buying stuff that doesn't work with my KGO!!!!!

Lastly, where can I find a swirly colorful beautiful drip tip that will fit my KGO, the one I bought was pretty and fit in my mouth nicely, but didn't fit on my atty...

THANKS!!!!!!!
xoxoxox

Link to KGO passthru? Thanks....again

 

[windwalker]

Hi Nubee,

Good questions one and all - and what I'm about to tell you, probably is going to explain a lot, and help very little...

Okay, first things first: "Nomenclature Standardizations" - so here's the deal, there is no Nomenclature Standardizations in the e-cigarette world...

Now what this means is simple, but to understand it, let me give you a little example: "DVD-NTSC"
So here's what happens in every other industry - a group of manufactures gets together and makes an agreement called "A Commitment to Nomenclature Standardization" - it makes life easier for everyone... So, once this happened in the world of home entertainment, Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, etc, can all use the name "DVD-NTSC" to refer to the same type of disc.

In other worlds, "DVD" isn't anyone's brand name, no one single person or group owns it, instead, it's a shared "Nomenclature" that tons of manufactures can use all referring to the same thing. Meaning, all DVD-NTSC discs work in all the different kinds of DVD-NTSC players...

Simple right? It happens in every major technology industry, it allows all the manufactures to make compatible products, and differentiate brands, nomenclature, and models - but it hasn't happened in the E-Cigarette world yet...

It a little confusing, but here's what has happened instead - "Attack of the Clones" . . .

So, 510 is a technical nomenclature for a specific 'external thread pitch' - but that term was borrowed from the hardware industry, where nomenclature is standardized...

Suddenly, companies started to use the 510 thread with different 'gaps' (spacing to the battery contact) so all of sudden, you've got two products labeled '510' that look like they should work together, but then they don't.

Then, Joyetech introduced a Product called the 'EGO' this was just a model that they owned, and it happened to use a 510 thread pitch with their own Joyetech gap.

It got popular, and half a dozen other companies released products that looked identical, but had different internal parts, and they named them 'EGO' as if 'EGO' described a specific style of thread...

Then, all of sudden 'EGO Compatible Accessories' started to appear designed to fit the original Joyetech EGO...

...and the clones needed to make sure their products where compatible, so the phrase 'EGO Compatible' become a nomenclature. But no one ever made a formal agreement, so it is possible, that the words 'EGO Compatible' can appear on a box or description, and in fact, the item is not actually EGO Compatible! Because, 'EGO Compatible' doesn't actually mean anything...

Cool right?

Here's where it gets fun - - -

A few companies saw this confusion and decided to cash in by creating their own models based around the original EGO. Suddenly, VGO, KGO, IGO, GOGO, and ZERRO all appeared, each with a unique fitting at the end, and of course, most of them advertising 'EGO Compatible' even though they don't actually fit EGO devices...

Now, here's where it gets even more fun: Then the manufacturers started to 'Cross Clone' each other, and use each other's names for products...

So one company makes KGO one way, and and other company makes it another way, yet both companies call it KGO, even though it is two different things, and then to make it even more complicated, they both advertise 'EGO Compatible' (which as I said, technically is a totally meaningless statement)...

So does it all make sense?

You bought a KGO, and it is likely a pretty good unit, and a thread may start where people will start to explain things to you, maybe even other KGO owners, but then all of sudden - things will stop making sense, and you'll follow a recomendation and it still won't fit!

Because another person - even a person who owns a KGO, may have a totally different thing with the same name...

So the trick is going to be:

1. If you can post an image of the actual connector, I can likely help you identify a good compatible vendor.
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2. If you can tell me where you bought it, I can likely identify exactly who made it and help you find compatible stuff for it.
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Fun stuff right?

I actually have two completely different units both named KGO sitting in front of me right now... Neither of them are EGO compatible, and neither of them are compatible with each other...

It's irritating, but it's also kind of fun in a way to be part of an industry before even the nomenclature has stabilized, it's like being a gold miner looking for that one sweet find...

 

[NubeeResearcher]

WOW....that is just....annoying, to say the least. LOL, jesus no wonder I was so confused! Well, to help you help me, I purchased my "KGO" which means nothing!!!! @ hoosierecigsupply.com (nothing against them, Brent has been ahmazing).

Soo...any hints?

 

[washvap]

Please don't feel down due to another newbs advice. The KGO is a little better than an EGO in some aspects. The KGO is made by SLB which makes very solid products. Both have the same threading.

Yes, the KGO has a 510 connection and any 510 atty and carto will work on it. Although, not every drip tip will fit the same way. What did you use your tip on anyway?

There's a reason for the two choices. Ego specific cartos for example has the connection enclosed within the body of it. Which means that you need a ego - 510 adapter in order to make it work. With the 510 it doesn't need an adapter.

The only difference is model and all will fit if it's a 510 big batt such as the KGO. But, the ego-T is the tank system. It will also work with your KGO.

Here is a great site for cartos. The 15 carto deals have free shipping, drip tip, and syringe:

Crystal Clear Vaping

ALL of them will work with your KGO. I recommend the "Resurrectors" and Boge LR

Drip tips:

Drip Tips
Dripper Tips

REMEMBER: 510 drip tips only for 510 compatible atties and cartos.

Hey everybody! So I'm new at vaping (just recieved my KGO yesterday), and I want to know what the deal is with the 510/eGo compatibility. Also, I wanna know what you have/love for your KGO.

Example numero uno: I was told in another thread that my kgo has 510 connections, bought a 510 tip and it didn't fit. :[

Example numero dos: Sometimes items on websites have 2 choices for the same item, like for eGo or for 510.

And...just in case my KGO's an eGo and not a 510. What's the difference between eGo A. B, C, -T...when it comes to buying parts and accessories for my KGO?

Also, KGO owners, for things like cartos, drip tips, tips, etc...what are your fav websites? I don't wanna keep buying stuff that doesn't work with my KGO!!!!!

Lastly, where can I find a swirly colorful beautiful drip tip that will fit my KGO, the one I bought was pretty and fit in my mouth nicely, but didn't fit on my atty...

THANKS!!!!!!!
xoxoxox

Link to KGO passthru? Thanks....again

 

[windwalker]

Most likely, Brent doesn't know about that...
Most small shops work with just one or two suppliers and will argue until they are blue in the face that their "EGO, VGO, KGO, UGO" is THE CORRECT "EGO, VGO, KGO, UGO" . . .

...and usually, they aren't trying to cheat anyone, they are just repeating what they have been told.

Check this out:

Okay, so the one you got is manufactured by a company called 'Sailebo Technology' - Electronic cigarettes|Electronic cigarette manufacturer|Electronic cigarettes suppliers|Shenzhen Sailebao Technology Co.LTD

Now, of course, being the Windwalker, I got the hook-ups and I contacted Sailebo directly for you... here is the transcript:

me (1:40:53 AM):
Hi Sophie! May i ask a quick question?

cn200243100 (1:41:16 AM):
hi

me (1:41:33 AM):
Hi!

cn200243100 (1:41:40 AM):
what's the question

me (1:42:22 AM):
So the quesiton is this, my friend got a new 2011 Sailebao KGO and is trying to find a drip tip for it, but normal 510 drip tips don't fit...
Can you tell me what is the correct drip tip for this 'wide cone kgo' ?

cn200243100 (1:45:11 AM):
wait

cn200243100 (1:48:43 AM):
KGO can not have drip tip
sorry,

me (1:49:56 AM):
Really, why not?
I thought it is the same as your EGO?

cn200243100 (1:52:50 AM):
sorry, the drip tip is not produce by us ,so our cigarette can not match it

me (1:58:42 AM):
it is odd that normal 510 drip tip will not fit...

cn200243100 (1:59:51 AM):
yes

me (1:56:04 AM):
Thanks...
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So, that's what the manufacture themselves had to say about it...

So you see what I mean? Basically, she is saying, "Our EGO compatible KGO is not EGO compatible, nor is it KGO compatible."

Now, that being said - I always say: "When in doubt - Visit Madvapes.com ( Delrin drip tips"

What I would do, is contact the madvapes guys, get a delrin drip tip that is a little too big, pull off the 'o-ring', then kick back with an emery board or other file and file it down until I made it fit (deltin is easy to file), then put the 'o-ring' back on... If need be, I'd head down to the local hardware store and find the perfect O-Ring to fit the delrin drip tip I filed down...

Then, after I did that - I'd boast to my friends about my cool 'one of Kind' KGO drip tip...

Note: I'm not affiliated or associated with either of those companies, I just have good enough industry connections to talk to manufacture reps pretty easily...

 

[washvap]

That's interesting information you got and I'm sure it's valid in some way or form. You have confirmed that it is indeed made by SLB or "Sailebo". They do not make the drip tips or cartomizers and atomizers for the KGO. They only made the unit itself and perhapes the cartridges that it comes with. So, they might not know about drip tips and what they fit with.

From personal experience. I have a KGO that I have bought from Brent at Hoosiers and it has worked with every 510 atty and carto that I have used with it. With not a single issue that I can see. Yes, there are many clones out there and almost all of them is 510 threaded except for the IGO and perhaps the LEA. Honestly, not sure about the VGO or UGO.

 

[madjack]

tash, what were you trying to connect the "drip tip" too and what specific drip tip was it(vendor or make)...I ask, 'cause the KGO from Brent takes the regular Boge style cartos and attys...a "510" drip tip should fit into either the atty or carto...a drip tip does not "connect" directly to the KGO batt............
madjack

 

[NubeeResearcher]

Washvap, thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it!!! Now I know where I can find some drip tips!!

 

[washvap]

a "510" drip tip should fit into either the atty or carto...a drip tip does not "connect" directly to the KGO batt............
madjack

Exactly................

 

[NubeeResearcher]

Hey there MJ....I tried to connect the swirly tip to the atty (swirly tip from brent).

 

[washvap]

Washvap, thanks so much for the help, I really appreciate it!!! Now I know where I can find some drip tips!!

No problem at all. Let me know how you like your KGO. It's a great big batt pv IMO

 

[hairball]

I have a set of KGO's from hoosier also. Everything that is 510 threaded will fit it. Any 510 drip tip will fit either the atomizer or cartomizer that you use except for ego mega dual coil cartomizers, XXL cartomizers, and the XXXXL cartomizers...plain old Boge and dual coil cartomizers will work with a regular 510 drip tip. If you are looking at a t-tank system, I'm not sure what fits them because I have very little experience.

windwalker...I don't know who you talked to at SLB but they have about as many braincells as a rock. 510 is 510 no matter how you slice it. I wonder if the person you spoke too thought you were wanting to put a drip tip on the cone itself? IDK but it's obvious that he/she didn't understand what you were asking.

 

[madjack]

I dunno...it ships with an atty and prefilled carts...maybe the attys are special for the carts...I would give Brent a holler and say WTF...over.........................
madjack

 

[NubeeResearcher]

jack....you make me laugh so effin hard...i need a southern friend like you lmao....i swear i don't think there's a thing u ever said to me that i didn't laugh...ur too much!

 

[pnguin]

I have several KGO batteries from Hoosier. I had to send two back for replacement under warranty and after some research I think the low resistance dual coil cartomizers were too much for the batteries so I would stay away from those. My favorites are the smoke tech 2.5 ohm single coil cartos, or the boge standard 3.0 ohm single coil. I am trying out the 2.5 ohm fluxomizer from gotvapes right now 3rd day). So far these are awesome. Semiclear tubes so you can see fluid level, lots of vapor, and the taste is great ( no filler so no filler taste). If they last and clean up well they will be my main carto. I have drip tips from several different vendors and they fit any of these cartos. Hope that all helps.

 

[windwalker]

Well, I did a little more digging, and here is the confusion...

It goes back to the Nomenclature thing I was trying to explain in the first post - Five people here all with KGO's, some of them even from the same vendor / same supplier, with the same name, and not actually the same thing!

What Nubee got was not actually the Exact same KGO as what other folks here got...
In fact, it is a 'Limited Edition Wide Mouth Cone and Wide Atomizer' made by Sailebo...

Now, the difference is only about 1.2mm, so it is something you might actually miss, but it is enough that a standard 510 drip tip (which by the way is also misnomer - the correct nomenclature is 8.5mm O.D. Drip Tip)

As Madjack said "I dunno...it ships with an atty and prefilled carts...maybe the attys are special for the carts...I would give Brent a holler and say WTF...over........................."

This is exactly correct - the specific limited edition KGO you got, does in fact ship with special attys (wide mouth, wide body ~10.4mm O.D.) . . .

Hence all the confusion!

Same name, looks almost identical, and yet there is a 1.2mm difference in the width of the Atomizer that is making it hard to find a fitting drip tip...

Now, I think, Washvap's solution may be easier than my 'file it down until it fits' solution: Simply plug-in a standard 9.2mm O.D. 510 atty, (this is the one normally called a '510') and then you can use any '510 Drip Tip' you want - - -

You'll have a small gap where the cone mouth is slightly too big, but half a mm is hardly noticeable...

The thread and connector depth of your 'wide mouth KGO' will fit most standard 510's, so you can switch over, and viola - you are now the proud owner of a SLB Wide Mouth KGO to EGO mod...

Does it make sense?

A note about Sailebo - Please don't get me wrong, Sailebo is a top notch company. The fact that they make a limited edition Wide Mouth KGO and named it KGO, doesn't detract form the quality of the kit at all. It's a solid product, and I bet as you get comfortable with it, you'll really like it...

tl/dr: I think WashVapes solution of switching over to a standard 510 atty, is the best of the bunch (you can even get a standard EGO cone to fit your KGO if the wide mouth gap bugs you), then you can buy 'EGO Compatible' stuff anywhere...

 

[Maximillian]

Heyas Nubee,

I just looked at the hoosier site, and I noticed that in the description of the kgo kit, they say it now comes with the 'large borecones'. So, that makes me wonder, why would you need a large bore cone? Maybe the manufacurer is using a proprietary atty that has a 510 thread but has a larger external (and possibly internal) diameter?

I use an ego, not a kgo, and haven't dealt with hoosiers, but I've heard good things about them as a supplier. Just thought I'd add my two cents


Maximillain the Vaguely Disreputable

 

[windwalker]

"windwalker...I don't know who you talked to at SLB but they have about as many braincells as a rock. 510 is 510 no matter how you slice it. I wonder if the person you spoke too thought you were wanting to put a drip tip on the cone itself? IDK but it's obvious that he/she didn't understand what you were asking."

Three things:

First: I spoke with a trained international factory rep who was actually, quickly and succinctly correct. The Limited Edition Wide Mouth KGO Atty and Cone comes from entirely Unique SLB moulds... And at this time, no one makes stuff specifically compatible to them.

Second: Hoosiers got a limited supply of these Limited Edition Wide Mouth KGO's, they don't always sell this version, but it is what Nubee got... It's a special atty, not the same diameter as the standard one...

Third: You said, "510 is 510 no matter how you slice it." Actually, that is not entirely correct. In a way, it's like half correct... I'm kind of geek about this stuff, so I just made this little graphic to explain it...

End: I hope that doesn't come off wrong, I'm just a geek and I like to talk about this stuff, plus I find the Nomenclature issue fascinating...

 

[windwalker]

 

[TomiGirl]

So to add or detract from additional confusion. Get a multi meter and test your Kgo and will help take some of the guess work out of which cartos work beautifully with it. I have an 1100mah KGO in which the instructional pamphlet lists at 3.7V but actually runs closer to 4.2. I love the 1.25XL 510 LR Dual Coil Cartos, simply amazing and the 1.5's work great too. Dont bother with the tanks the vape is not as good and they burn easily and burnt juice is crap. And your tips should work in the carto's fine. The KGO atty's that come with it, not so much. If you want to drip I recomend a cisco 306 atty with an xl drip tip or cannon works well Good luck you will love your KGO!