KGO User - Question About Clearomizer and OHMs, Also Atomizers For Dripping

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chewie

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I am interested in trying the clearomizers with the wicks and no filler inside.

I use a KGO to vape, and realize that the cone will not fit over this, but I just didn't care for vaping with the Smoktech 3.5ml DCT Dual Coil tank. I got 2 of them, and they never got hot, and they never produced vapor on the KGO, they just filled my mouth with cold eliquid, and then produced almost no to very little vapor. I tried different dual coil cartomizers than the ones that came with them, the only thing I didn't try was to make the hole at the bottom larger. I just really don't think that would make much difference, although one guy on YouTube seemed to think so. I don't have any tools right now, but see Smoktech has a tool for putting holes in those cartomizers, so I might try that. I had to inhale to almost cave my face in just to get a small cloud of vapor, and my mouth was full of cold, greasy juice. I tried drawing lightly and slowly, and didn't get any results at all, they were just meant for more volts than a KGO I think.

The Vision 3.5ml Clearomizers I am looking at come in 1.7Ohm, 2.3Ohm, and 2.8Ohm. What would be the advantages and disadvantages of using the different Ohms on an SLB KGO? I really don't know enough about voltage, Ohms, and electrical knowledge to understand what these numbers mean.

Also, I enjoy dripping with bridgeless atomizers, unfortunately the Smoktech 1.7 ohm bridgeless atomizers I was using caused both my KGOs to shut off, because they were probably reading it as a short or something. They worked for about 6 weeks, but 2 new ones I got, 1 worked 3 days, the 2nd didn't work as soon as I put it on the battery, it just flashed 4 times and shut off. I had to remove the atomizer to restore manual power to the KGOs again.

The bridgeless atomizers I am looking at for 510 connections come in 1.7 ohms, 1.5 ohms, and 3.0 ohms. Will there be a big difference to using a 3.0 Ohm bridgeless atomizer? I want to try the different design of it, it's got 3 holes at the bottom instead of being able to see the coil directly. I am going to get a drip shield to put over it. Is 3Ohms ok on a KGO, or should I stick with the 1.5 Ohm or 1.7 Ohm (1.7Ohm was the one that shut the KGO off before, but it was a different manufacturer).

Thank you for any ideas you can suggest/recommend.
 

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For the Visions, I would go with 1.7 or 2.3 ohms. Generally speaking, the lower the resistance, the more vapor you get and the vapor will be warmer. On a KGO I would go with 1.5-2.5 ohm cartos/attys. IMO, 3.0 ohm works best at 5V.

What kind of juice are you using? Juices high in VG will not work well with DCT unless you make the hole in the carto larger. On a KGO I would not bother using a dual coil carto. They work best at higher voltages. You can try a 1.7 ohm single coil Smoktech carto in a DCT and they should work better than the DCC's on you KGO.
 

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+1 on what Stef64 said. The SLB Kgo's are purported to run at 3.7V sustained. Given that, a 1.5-1.8 ohm range should work fine. My experience tells me lower v (less than 5v) = lower range atty/carto (up to 2.0 ohms). A voltmeter will be your friend. Always check the resistance of your leads and subtract that from you final readings.
 

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DCT's don't get hot because they are two standard resistance coils. The combined high power usage makes them LR but the individual coils are not LR.

3.0ohm - barely warm on 3.7v
1.5ohm - very hot on 3.7v and can damage some mass-produced encased batteries. 1.7ohm would be more prudent

And the lower the ohms, the faster it will use up your charge. And LR attys seem more prone to sudden death.

I can't help you pick an atomizer - I don't use them except for testing new juices and very occasional home dripping of juices I rarely use. Like most vapers I use cartomizers for everyday vaping. The most popular for 450mah+ 510-threaded 3.4-3.7v batteries would be Boge 2ohm. You can also get tanks that use punched Boge 2ohm (like the smaller Jtank at electronicstix and others).
 

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Thanks for the suggestion and feedback. I use 60PG/40VG ejuices from Hoosiers. I am considering to try a couple Whole Tobacco Alkoloid ELiquid for those times when I am so stressed out I crave a real cigarette, I have relapsed to my cigarettes a handful of times since I started vaping, which has only been since January 26, 2012. I can go for days without a cigarette, but then I have to deal with ignorant or stubborn people in face or on the telephone, and the only thing that will calm me down when I reach my boiling point is a real tobacco cigarette, so I thought the WTA might be good just for those times only.

I started with a lame Green Smoke e-cig, and then realized that I needed something that could hold more juice, because I inhale deeply and like a lot of vapor. I saw the KGO, and figured that is where I should start. That was before I learned of the benefits of Variable Voltage, so now I have something else to look forward too someday soon. I keep hearing about those voltage sweet spots (4.5 - 5.0 volts?), but that is something I can learn when I get to that.

As a matter of fact, I do have some single coil cartomizers that might fit the DCT 3.5ml tank. I just gotta punch holes in them. I will have to see if they are the right diameter and length first, they might be XL I am not sure. As far as using dual coil cartomizers, I got the 1.7 ohm single coil cartomizers based on recommendations I read here, and felt they produced very little cold vapor. When I used the black XL dual coil cartomizers from Hoosiers, I was much more happy with the warmth and vapor they produced. I also liked the XXXL 3.5ml Dual Coil Cartomizer with round Rubber Tip, they are clear plastic, so not long reusable life, but they produce a lot of warm vapor on the KGO. I am looking into those hose kits that supposedly clean out and dry cartomizers with filler, and atomizers. I want to hear actual testimony that doesn't come from the website first though. I used baking soda and vinegar to clean atomizers that were dirty from removing the bridge, and dripping frequently with. They got some of the gunk out, but there was a flavor after the first couple of draws that never went away, and it feels like it doesn't get as hot as it used to anymore. Like with the DCT 3.5ml tank, and the 1.7Ohm single coil cartomizers, with the washed-out atomizer I get a mouth of cold juice and extremely little vapor. Maybe I need a voltage meter to see if my equipment is functioning properly, but it does do very well with dual coil cartomizers and dripping on new atomizers, just getting the right one is the trick.
 

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Get a pack of 1.7ohm Reasurector cartos for your 3.5ml tank. They are a world of difference and are a LOT better than the dual coils. I use an Epower which is very similar to a kGo but uses non-proprietary batteries, and the Ressurectors in a 3.5ml tank are all I use. Personally I think dual coils suck a lower voltages. The tanks come with a 1.5ohm dual coil, which is really 2 3.0ohm coils, so its going to give a cool vape at 3.7V. The Ressurectors will give you the nice warm vape your looking for. They are single coil, but are XL so they fit Perfectly in the tank and work awesome.
I normally don't even use the DC carto that comes with the tanks, but did try one last week just to try them and see how they compare to the Ressurectors and it really is a night and day difference. Even though dual coils are supposed to produce a lot more vapor than a single coil, I find on a 3.7V PV they just plain don't. The Ressurectors produce just as much, if not more, and it's a much more satisfying vape. The Reasurectors give a nice warm vape with good TH, while the DC that comes with the tank gives a cool vape that's mediocre at best.
I promise you that if you put a Ressurector in your tank you'll have a completely different opinion of it, and def like it a lot better.
CCV sells the Ressurectors for a good price. You can just use regular Ressurectors and punch them yourself, or CCV also has pre-punched Ressurectors for the Smoktech tanks. The pre-punched ones have the metal base on them too like the DC carto that comes with the tank, which stops the tank from being able to slide down and keeps the carto in place when you Pull the drip tip off.
I use the pre-punched ones just because I like the metal base on them bc I carry my Epower with a tank on it and another tank in my pocket everywhere I go. I like the metal base cartos bc then I don't have to worry about the the carto sliding in my pocket and he tank leaking everywhere.
The hole in the pre-punched Ressurectors is the same size as the hole in the DC carto that comes with the tank, which is small. It works okay with mostly PG juices, but for thicker juices it needs to be made bigger. I have 2 3.5ml tanks and I use a thin 80/20 cafe Caramel juice in one tank. The 80/20 juice does work with the small pre-punched hole, but I do make the hole ever so slightly bigger so it feeds easier when I do dry pulls. For my other tank, I use Bobas Bounty, which anyone that's vapes Bobas knows that it's 100%VG and very thick. Thick juices, and especially 100%VG, will def not work with the small pre-punched hole, so don't even try bc the carto will just burn bc the thick juice can't feed even close to fast enough to keep the carto wet. Some people say that you shouldn't use VG juices in a tank, or VG juices don't work. Thats not true though bc they do work. They just require more tinkering to make them feed correctly. It can take a few trys to get it to work right for whatever particular VG juice your using, but once you get it right, it works awesome and then you know how big the punched hole needs to be for Everytime you put a new carto in and its smooth sailing from there.

If your going to use cartos that have the metal base on them, keep in mind that a lot of the carto punch devices that you can buy from different vendors will NOT work with those cartos bc of the flanged bottom.
Like I said, you dont have to use cartos that have the metal base, but they are nice bc they make sure the carto stays in place, especially if you carry them in your pocket often.

The way I punch my pre-punched carto holes bigger is with a simple hammer and finishing nail. I refuse to spend money on a fancy carto punch, dremmel, or saddle valve, when a hammer and finishing nail gives the same results.
If you have a vice, it makes it even easier, but its not absolutely necessary. What I do is make the vice slightly smaller than the width of the carto, so it can sit on top in the groove and not fall thru. You can clamp the actual carto in the vice, but I find that doing that actually doesnt work as well, bc if you clamp it too hard it will deform the carto which can cause it to leak when you put it in the tank, or if you dont clamp it hard enough bc you dont want to bend it, it will move when you try to hit it with the hammer.
This is what I mean: View attachment 85902
Close the vice just enough that the carto can sit in the groove without falling through. Doing it this way will keep it in place so you can punch the hole bigger, but wont deform the carto. Just hang the threaded end with the metal base off the side of the vice so it sits flat and wont get damaged in any way.
Then all you have to do is put the tip of the finishing nail in the pre-punched hole and carefully tap it with a hammer until its the size you want it to be. Just remember to go slow! You can always take the carto out of the tank and make the hole alittle bigger if needed, but if you make it too big, it will just continuously flood the carto and youll have to use a new one. This is the part that I said can take a few tries to get right. Your best bet it to make it alittle bigger and try it for awhile. If it isnt feeding well, then just empty the tank, take the carto out and punch it alittle bigger. Keep doing that until you get it right. And the youll know exactly how big the hole needs to be made when you put a new carto in. If you dont have a vice, its still pretty easy to do. Just put it somewhere where its not going to slide around a ton and youll be fine. Its harder to punch a regular carto without a vice, bc its fairly easy for the finishing nail to slide off the carto when your trying to hold it in place to punch the hole. But with a pre-punched carto its really easy bc you can just put the finishing nail in the pre-punched hole, which will hold it in place and all you have to do is hit it a few times.
So you can prob get something to punch cartos, but its not totally necessary bc a hammer and finishing nail works just as well, especially with the cartos that have the metal base on them.

Like I said, every juice is different and might need a sightly bigger or smaller punched hole to work properly depending on what the PG/VG ratio is and how thick the juice is.

Heres a picture though to give you an idea about how much bigger you might need to make your hole if your using a thicker juice: View attachment 85903 This is 3 pre-punched Ressurectors that have the metal base on them for use in the Smoktech tanks.
The left one is the regular pre-punched hole that hasnt been made any bigger, and I put it with the others to give you a size comparision. The middle one is what I use for my 80PG/20VG juice. Liek I said earlier, its only very slightly bigger than the pre-punched hole. An 80/20 juice will feed into a pre-punched hole without making it any bigger, I just do it so it feeds very easily with a dry pull.
The right one is what I use for the 100%VG Bobas Bounty. As you can see its quite a bit bigger than the pre-punched hole. When I first started using Bobas in a tank I would punch another hole on the other side, but I found it could be inconsistant at times that way. You dont need punch a second hole, as long as the first hole is made big enough to adequetly feed the juice.
So hopefully this givbes you an idea on how much bigger you might need to make the hole if you use thicker VG juices at some point.

Just remember to periodically do dry pulls while your vaping, and always fill the carto completely full before you put it into a tank. I fnd that doing dry pulls are the single most important thing in getting a tank to work correctly, especially if your using thicker juices. Sometimes even when the punched hole is big enough for the juice your using, the tank wont feed enough juice on its own to keep the carto wet. Doing dry pulls will force juice into the carto, and ensure it stays wet. For thinner PG juices, I do short hard pulls, and for thicker VG juices I do long hard pulls. For Bobas I just pull as hard as I can for about 5 seconds. Do that 3-4x in a row periodically throughout the day while your vaping and you wont have to worry about a carto burning out bc it was dry.
When you do dry pulls you should see airbubbles come out of the punched hole right after you stop. If the cartos new and full, you prob wont get any bc the cartos already full, but if its not full you should get airbubbles. That means the carto is being fed juice. I normally do a few dry pulls until either the airbubbles get alot smaller or stop coming out. Then you know the area around the coil is completely wet again.
This is also how you can tell if your punched hole is big enough. If you know the carto is not full and you dont get any airbubbles when you do dry pulls, that means you prob need to punch the hole alittle bigger.

Like with any other ecig stuff, there is a slight learning curve with tanks when you first start using them. Once you get it down though, they are absolutely awesome.
I pop a fresh battery in my E-Power every morning and fill both my tanks, and I can easily vape all day while Im at work completely mainenance free. You can do the same thing with your kGo bc it has really good battery life as well.

Get some Ressurector cartos and give your tank another chance. I think youll like it a LOT better with a Ressurector in it instead of the DC. Just dont give up or get frustrated bc I think youll realize how awesome the 3.5ml tanks can be for an E-Power/kGo with the right carto in it.

Sorry this was so long, but I hope it helped some
Goodluck!
 
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Your kGo should be perfectly adequate for a Low Resistance 1.5-1.7ohm atty or carto.

Since nobody explained what those numbers mean, here it is. Very simple. A 3rd grader could do it.
It's all about power. Power is Watts. Most people like from 6-9 or 10 Watts.
A kGo is 3.7V. The formula for Watts is Volts x Volts / Resistance in ohms.
If you plug some resistances, in ohms, into that formula, you will see that the lower the resistance, the higher the watts.
Low resistance = high watts = more heat.

3.7 x 3.7 = 13.69 divided by 1.7 ohms = 8.05 Watts.

The higher the watts, the warmer the vapor. In your case, since you have a regulated 3.7 volt battery, just divide 13.69 by whatever "ohms" atty or carto you are using to find out how many watts you will get.

If you are getting cold hits from a 1.7ohm carto, there is something wrong with the carto or the battery. 8.05 watts is NOT cold in the least. Some juices taste burnt or washed out at too high a wattage. For example, I vape fruit juices that are best at 6-7 Watts. On my VV, I use 4.5V with a 3ohm carto for 6.8 Watts for delicate flavors.

The reason Dual Coils don't work so great at 3.7V is because they are really 2 coils with a higher resistance than the overall rating.
Your 1.5ohm DC is really two 3ohm coils. Each coil stays cooler than it would if it was a 1.5ohm coil.
 
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Another tip for you: You do need a multimeter. Anyone who is serious about vaping needs a multimeter. They're so cheap nowadays there's no excuse not to have one. You don't need anything fancy or expensive.

To clean atomizers. As close to pure grain alcohol as you can find where you live. Everclear or 180+ proof vodka. Soak an hour or two. Blow excess out through connector hole. Then, soak in Denture cleaner tablets, blow through hole. Then, repeat the alcohol soak. Let dry and/or dry-burn. Denture cleaner tablets work great. Get the generic "smokers" formula.
 

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You can buy the digital multimeter that Madvapes sells for $10+shipping on Ebay for $3-4 with free shipping. Its obviously not the fanciest multimeter, but it serves its purpose well and allows you to check your batteries voltage and resistance of your attys and cartos.
On the Ebay search, type in "DT-830B Digital Multimeter". It will give you a huge list of them. Scroll through a few pages and find the cheapest one that has free shipping. Some come with a 9V battery in it and some do not. The ones that come with the battery are generally about $.50-1.00 more. It does ship from China, so it does take about 2 weeks to get to you, but for the price its a great deal if you dont necessarily need it right away.
Thats what I did and it works well. I got one for only $3.43 with free shipping, and I got it in 10-11 days
 

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Thanks for the suggestion and feedback. I use 60PG/40VG ejuices from Hoosiers. I am considering to try a couple Whole Tobacco Alkoloid ELiquid for those times when I am so stressed out I crave a real cigarette, I have relapsed to my cigarettes a handful of times since I started vaping, which has only been since January 26, 2012. I can go for days without a cigarette, but then I have to deal with ignorant or stubborn people in face or on the telephone, and the only thing that will calm me down when I reach my boiling point is a real tobacco cigarette, so I thought the WTA might be good just for those times only.

Hopefully this is not too out of place, but have you tried any of the good tobacco juices? AVE for example has some pretty darn accurate tobacco flavors that might help in those situations, a little added psychological satisfaction short of going the WTA route.
 

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Wow, thanks everybody for the ideas, help, referrals, and the lessons in watts and resistance. I was not expecting so many replies, that's what I like about this forum. I noticed that people in the New Members Forum get lot of answers to their questions.

I wonder why dual coil is so ineffective for me on a 3.5ml DCT tank, but those XL black 1.5 ohm dual coil cartomizers work so great? and those XXXL clear cartomizers 1.5ohm with round rubber tip make so much vapor? I did put light fuity flavors in those 1.7 ohm cartomizers I think, and also a caramel coffee juice I would consider kind of sweet and on the stronger side only because it is soo sweet, so not something I enjoy every day. I have apple in this black 1.5ohm dual coil, but what gets me is the amount of vapor output, and I'm not getting that from the 1.7 ohm single coils for some reason. I wonder if it's the small air holes at the bottom, I feel like I am trying so much harder to inhale? I do have COPD. I wonder if I hurt my KGO batteries putting those 1.7 ohm bridgeless atomizers on there dripping? They made the batteries shut down finally, they flashed 4 times then shut down, both of them, with the same 2 atomizers I put on both of them, 1 had just come out of it's plastic wrapper and never made vapor before. I presumed it was a safety feature that shut itself off when a sensor noticed too much load was being pulled or something.

And yes, the multimeter is next on my list to get for my own learning, as I see they are reasonably priced tools now. If I see my battery is functioning properly, I will definitely try those single coils with the flange and pre-punched for my 3.5ml DCT tank to see if it gives them new life with the single coils then. I had never heard of CCV until today, thanks for the lead mynameisrob.

Sailorman, I like the way you think. I am guessing that they call it resistance, because it resists the flow of electricity, thus preventing it from just running amuck through a device and burning it to a crisp? Just a wild guess, I really don't know how they come up with these names, except when they are named after the people who discovered them, or classified the nomenclature of them.

I have seen YouTube videos are availablle demonstrating the grain alcohol cleaning method of atomizers, it will be my first trip into a spirits store since 1996. The guy who made the YouTube video demonstrating baking soda and white vinegar, claimed the vodka cleaning didn't work for him, maybe he didn't have a strong or pure enough distilled product? Grain alcohol is a different creation than vodka, stronger if I recall, and higher proof. It's worth a try though if I buy more atomizers and really like how they are working. Empiremods is supposed to get in bridgeless atomizers this week at 1.7 ohms, I think I'll stay away from the 1.5 ohm then.

I notice at Hoosiers, there is claim that "These batteries run at a higher voltage than most, instead of the3.3v to 3.7v provided by most eGo/Riva batteries these provide 3.8v under load with 1.5ohm dual coils and over 4.0v under load on 2.0ohm single coil cartomizers." In the video underneath he demonstrates what he refers to as the " 1100 SLB eGos" on a voltage meter with different cartomizers on the other end, how high the voltage meter goes. Then he compares them to different high drain IMR cell batteries:
KGO kit 1100mAh by SLB
I think they called it the SLB eGo before someone came up with the KGO name, that was before I got into vaping though. I just know SLB is the Chinese company that manufactures these proprietary batteries.

Probably had I known that the eGo could take any old battery you could replace in it yourself, then I would have gone with that, but then again, I might have gotten a VV mod had I known that different voltages produced different flavors, and different eJuice feeding, cartomizer options. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, we just learn this as we go, this is a lot to learn in one sit down session when you know you just want to vape, and don't want to learn the magna carta before you finally get something in the mail and start vaping, am I right?

Thanks again everybody.
 

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Back to eliquid recommendations. I am not opposed to trying different liquids from other vendors.

The last time I ordered a tobacco flavor since Green Smoke (who's didn't taste half bad, either did their menthol, just the little cartomizers which didn't last that turned me away), was Hoosier's Dekang liquids, I got Desert Ship and Menthol. 60PG/40VG 18mg Nicotine The Desert Ship (24mg nicotine) tasted like burnt plastic, maybe it was the cartomizer, I used a 1.7ohm single coil to try it out after dripping kept bleeding through the last sugary flavors I dripped, so I decided a brand new cartomizer was necessary. I got Dekang's menthol also. It was a mint version of a fireball, just not the cinnamon. It was so hot, I diluted it with the Desert Ship down to 1/8 in a separate clean bottle using a clean syringe with the numbers starting to come off already, that must be why I ordered several of them. (I wonder if putting clear nail polish on syringe numbers would keep them from rubbing off? It might melt them off.) Anyway, the 1/8 menthol in Desert Ship was still so minty it burned my eyes and sinuses to the point I couldn't enjoy it, and the cartomizer I was using was not creating any vapor.

Again I must be a weirdo, I am today switching back and forth between Apple in a Black XL 1.5ohm dual coil cartomizer, and French Vanilla Coffee in a Clear 1.5 ohm 3.5ml dual coil cartomizer, 60PG/40VG 18MG Nicotine. I am getting so much vapor it makes a cloud that floats across my small apartment living room. When I screw on the 1.7ohm single coil cartomizers with the same liquid in them, I barely get enough vapor to look like your breath on a mildly cool evening, it doesn't even look like I'm vaping. These are 60PG/40VG juices. I'm going to keep filling the 1.7ohm single coils up until I get one that makes a lot of vapor, or maybe I should wait until after I get that multimeter, so I don't waste them. I just don't understand why everyone says the dual coils don't get hot (as with my 3.5ml Smoktech DCT tank), but the only vapor and flavor I am getting is with these 2 styles of dual coils I have, and I bought 20 and got at least 22 of the 1.7 ohm single coils in my last order, because that's what has been so recommended for a 3.7 volt KGO. I only ordered 10 of the XL black dual coils, and the 3.5ml clear plastic dual coil cartomizers with round rubber tip I only have the one I'm using and one more unused from the order previous to the last one. The first one I think I overused or burnt, it's cracked at the bottom, but I don't expect much with plastic.

I've never been big on TH. Ever since I started smoking analogues, (and I vape the same way), I inhale the vapor into my mouth, let it accumulate there as I drag, then inhale to my lungs, hold a brief second, and exhale a lot of vapor. I enjoy tasting the vapor and seeing the clouds of vapor, more than the actual TH. I get the nicotine fix the amount of time the vapor moves from my mouth to my lungs and pause only a second, and I exhale, so the vapor is still visible and not fully absorbed in my lungs. I pause some of the vapor in my mouth as I exhale, so I can taste it again, I don't know if that sounds gross to some people, but my lungs my flavor I guess.

To be fair to Brent at Hoosier's, their house blends taste decent to me, I don't know where he gets them. I have tried the Vanilla Cola, French Vanilla Coffee, Chocolate Cream, Hazelnut Coffee, Caramel Cappuccino, Apple, Watermelon, Candy Watermelon, Mountain Dew, Vanilla Bliss, Chocolate Raspberry Truffle, Banana Cream Pie, and Cherry. I am not crazy about soda flavored eliquids, but they taste EXACTLY like the sodas to me. I am a Dr Pepper drinker, I might like that one better, I know others carry it. I didn't think the Vanilla Bliss was a sweet enough Vanilla as far as Vanilla's go, it almost tasted like incense at first, then got more vanilla-like as the bottle sat around. The Cherry is awful, sometimes they change flavors when they sit, but all of the other flavors I tried in that list above I really, really like. I think the Watermelon is better than the Candy Watermelon, but I liked them both. Right now I am really digging the Apple and French Vanilla Coffee. These are also 60PG/40VG 18MG Eliquids.

But to answer dr g's question, I haven't tried any Tobacco flavors I like yet. I am not opposed to suggestions and trying new vendors though, that's how I find out what I like. I really don't know what is a "good" tobacco flavor, except to try it, or listen to other's opinions. When I smoked analogues, I started in 1984 smoking Camel Filters, but in the past decade or longer, have smoked Marlboro Menthol Full, and Kool Longs. Then I found out I had COPD last Summer in June after a C.A.T. scan, so I smoked Kool Blue for a while, which is a lower tar than Kool in the green pack, but I don't know about the nicotine levels though. That's what I was smoking when I started vaping January 26. A good reproduction of a menthol cigarette Eliquid would be nice for a change from these sweet coffee, vanilla, and chocolate juices I have been vaping. I notice some vendors have "Nuport" flavored eJuices, anybody tried them?

I really think they put something in menthol cigarettes that makes them more addictive than just plain tobacco flavored cigarettes. It's not just elevated nicotine levels, I don't know what it is, but Menthols hooked me harder than any cigarette I ever smoked, Camel Filters, Marlboro Reds, or Camel Lights, Marlboro Lights, etc. Camel was on to something when they made their Vanilla and Chocolate hinted cigarettes in the pretty tins in the 1990s, I don't know if they ever re-released them in the 2000s, I stopped going into convenience stores when I needed help from other people to do my shopping, I have health issues that keep me at home almost all of the time, except to go to medical appointments. (The government sounds stupid when they say those flavors are targeted at children, I must be a child then, a large 43 year old child, everyplace I bought them they were no place visible where children could see them, but there is an ordinance where I live too. They also had some with citrus infusion, menthol with hint of chocolate called Dark Mint, they were good as far as "flavored" analogues went.) That's why I like my vanilla, chocolate, coffee Eliquids so much. But yes, I would like a decent tobacco and menthol flavored alternative in my Eliquid kitchen. Soon this preoccupation is going to get me turned into storing gallons of PG and VG in my refrigerator, and getting pharmaceutical grade nicotine and aromas from a lab somewhere to make my own Eliquids. Let's see if I get that obsessed with the activity, it sure looks fun, but the lab's web site was down because the lab was moving when I saw the posts about DIY Eliquids. Since I am on a limited budget, I could save some money going that route in the long run, once I paid for the initial investment of volume size PG and VG in the quality pharmaceutical grades. I wouldn't want to risk inhaling impurities not getting pharmaceutical grade, I don't feel as safe with non pharma VG. I have heard of people having allergies and irritations with Walgreen's VG.

While we know vaping is healthier than smoking, we still have no proof it's 100% safe, compared to not vaping at all, or using nicotine in gum or patches. We're putting something in our lungs, it's just suspended in water vapor instead of combusted smoke. I hate the patch, I can only go the gum route when I am in the hospital, Colorado hospitals are not hip to vaping yet, at least not the one I go to. When I tell them about it, and my primary care clinic as well, they look at me with mouths agape, and don't seem very pleased with my decision. They still give me the non-smoking booklet on discharge even though I tell them I am vaping and not smoking tobacco cigarettes anymore. On the other hand, my optometrist who is treating me for dry eye condition, which can cause severe conditions if left untreated, (ulcers, infections, detached lens, cataracts) told me my eyes are looking the best for the last 2 years since she started seeing me. She said it was because I stopped smoking, my eyes were getting more oxygen, and she saw almost no discharge in my eyes. When I was smoking analogues, my eyes would be full of mucous no matter how many times a day I cleaned them, and flooded them with artificial tears. I wouldn't produce any tears at all, but medications could also contribute to that as well, but just switching to vaping caused a dramatic improvement of the condition she said, and in only about 33 days.
 
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Chewie, One more thing. I have been ordering from Brent as well. I have been using the Tobacco and Nport flavors... I also had the issue with burnt cartos taste!!! I think I wasn't putting enough juice in there. I tried the prefilled but I get no smoke out of them. Tomorrow I'm going to wet them a little more and see if that works.
 

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Chewie, One more thing. I have been ordering from Brent as well. I have been using the Tobacco and Nport flavors... I also had the issue with burnt cartos taste!!! I think I wasn't putting enough juice in there. I tried the prefilled but I get no smoke out of them. Tomorrow I'm going to wet them a little more and see if that works.

If you get no vapor, but the carto is full and you can feel the flavor, it could be that you flooded the coil. Remove the carto from the battery and blow through it to remove any juice from the air tube
 
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