Kgo Vs E Power for new vaper

[Debadoo]

First, let me say that I'm new to vaping myself, and I think what I'm asking about is called the E power, but am not certain.

My SIL has tried disposables but that's not getting it for her. She wants to get started on a decent system and there are two in her household. They both have very different schedules, so she wants both of them to have 2 batteries each. I got a Riva kit and I initially recommended she get a Kgo kit. But since she's wanting them both to have two batteries I began to wonder if they'd do better with a device that has cheaper rechargeable batteries that you insert into it. I think this is called an E power, but not sure.

I don't want to start her on a twist or anything like that, but please tell me the pros and cons of 4 kgo batts vs 2 devices with enough rechargeable batteries for them to each have extra while one is charging. (if it takes 1 battery per device, we'd be looking at buying 4 batteries. If it takes two per device, we'd be looking at 8 batteries). I would also appreciate you linking me to the best place to get what you recommend for her. Ionly want to look at 510 devices at this point.

What I'm specifically wondering about with devices that hold rechargeable batteries is:

Are the Epower batteries as safe/safer than a kgo type?

Is the vaping experience comparable to the kgo experience as far as vape time, throat hit, etc

I know Kgo types take about 3 hrs to charge, how long do the other rechargeable batteries take to charge

Difference between IMR and ICR batts on Epower, which is better?

Will the Epower be able to handle recessed cartos like emdcc, stardust, etc without an extender, if it needs an extender/adaptor, which one would she need?

Please tell me WHY you recommend the thing you're recommending over the other one

Other stuff I may not have thought to ask about.

The other thing I need to know from those who know about gases etc, is there any danger to vaping while using oxygen? I know that oxygen is flammable, but does it need an actual fire, or can it be set off by an electrical spark?

Thanks so much for your help.

 

[Jixchel]

I don't have experience with either, but my only thought is which would be cheaper to replace when the batteries die completely, no more than 10 bucks for the e power or the kgo which is closer to 20 bucks. Can't answer about using with oxygen as I am not knowledgeable about it. Both are epower and kgo are 510 thread ego style batteries, the epower just doesn't have the battery contained in a sealed tube like the kgo. I know most ego style batteries have an average total life span of about 4-6 months.

 

[MickeyRat]

Okay, the e-power will have cheaper batteries than the Kgo. Neither the epower nor the Kgo should be a problem in the presence of oxygen. They are both 510. The epower will not take things like the ego vision. For that, you'll need a 510 to ego adapter. Make sure you get the epower with the updated switch should you go that way. The battery life should be better with the epower.

Another suggestion you haven't mentioned that might fit the bill is an 18650 ego. It's bigger around but, the battery life will blow away both the epower and the Kgo and it will take all ego accessories. You can get them here. You'll need to buy the batteries and charger separately.

 

[Harplayr]

The oxygen question is a good one.
I'm not sure if the heated coil in the atomizer is safe around oxygen.
Hopefully somebody will come up with the answer.

 

[harleydiva]

Okay, the e-power will have cheaper batteries than the Kgo. Neither the epower nor the Kgo should be a problem in the presence of oxygen. They are both 510. The epower will not take things like the ego vision. For that, you'll need a 510 to ego adapter. Make sure you get the epower with the updated switch should you go that way. The battery life should be better with the epower.

Another suggestion you haven't mentioned that might fit the bill is an 18650 ego. It's bigger around but, the battery life will blow away both the epower and the Kgo and it will take all ego accessories. You can get them here. You'll need to buy the batteries and charger separately.

I have the 18650 ego.....like it a lot.

 

[Debadoo]

Thanks Mickey. I know I sound like a dunce, but I don't know anything about rechargeable batteries. I've noticed that some mods with the 18650 or 14 whatevers have a vent hole in them, and the ego t 18650 doesn't appear to. Are these type of batteries more prone to vent gases, or explode or anything like that, than something like the kgo? Basically are they pretty safe to use, or do you need to use a lot more caution with them?

Does regulated vs unregulated mode have anything to do wtih battery safety, or just how the current flows? Like one stays the same, and one fluxuates maybe?

I don't think I'd be as concerned about the heat coil, as an electronic spark with the O2.

 

[harleydiva]

Thanks Mickey. I know I sound like a dunce, but I don't know anything about rechargeable batteries. I've noticed that some mods with the 18650 or 14 whatevers have a vent hole in them, and the ego t 18650 doesn't appear to. Are these type of batteries more prone to vent gases, or explode or anything like that, than something like the kgo? Basically are they pretty safe to use, or do you need to use a lot more caution with them?

Does regulated vs unregulated mode have anything to do wtih battery safety, or just how the current flows? Like one stays the same, and one fluxuates maybe?

I don't think I'd be as concerned about the heat coil, as an electronic spark with the O2.

Regulated batteries hold the voltage at a certain level. Without regulation, the voltage will keep dropping as the battery loses its charge. Your regular rivas or egos are unregulated....so the hit you get off the battery is less as the charge drops. With regulated, it will stay consistent at a specific voltage level, so theoretically no change in performance.

The nice thing about the 18650 ego T-mod is that you have the choice of which mode you want to use. With a spare battery and charger...this thing could keep someone going all day and all night.

 

[Debadoo]

Thanks Harley. That's kinda what I thought, but wasn't sure. I found the thread on this in GV too and posted more questions there. lol

 

[MickeyRat]

Thanks Mickey. I know I sound like a dunce, but I don't know anything about rechargeable batteries. I've noticed that some mods with the 18650 or 14 whatevers have a vent hole in them, and the ego t 18650 doesn't appear to. Are these type of batteries more prone to vent gases, or explode or anything like that, than something like the kgo? Basically are they pretty safe to use, or do you need to use a lot more caution with them?

Does regulated vs unregulated mode have anything to do wtih battery safety, or just how the current flows? Like one stays the same, and one fluxuates maybe?

I don't think I'd be as concerned about the heat coil, as an electronic spark with the O2.

Most rechargeable batteries can vent including the one in the ego. The two ways around it are to use a protection circuit or to use safer chemistry. The egos don't have holes but, I believe the end will pop out should they vent. Egos have the protection circuit built in as do protected batteries. IMR (safer chemistry) batteries as a general rule don't vent but, they can get quite hot. I would say for that 18650 ego, protected batteries will be fine. The IMRs tend to be better in high current draw situations like in a VV.

The thing is with mods, the maker has no control over what you put in there. So, to protect you, they put in vent holes.

To be honest, there's not a lot to worry about if you use protected or IMRs, they are about as safe as your cell phone. If you put unprotected batteries in there, you might have a problem.

 

[jch419]

I use an E-Power 14650 quite often and I love it! Everything about it is replaceable, even the switch, so it's much more economical.

 

[Debadoo]

Most rechargeable batteries can vent including the one in the ego. The two ways around it are to use a protection circuit or to use safer chemistry. The egos don't have holes but, I believe the end will pop out should they vent. Egos have the protection circuit built in as do protected batteries. IMR (safer chemistry) batteries as a general rule don't vent but, they can get quite hot. I would say for that 18650 ego, protected batteries will be fine. The IMRs tend to be better in high current draw situations like in a VV.

The thing is with mods, the maker has no control over what you put in there. So, to protect you, they put in vent holes.

To be honest, there's not a lot to worry about if you use protected or IMRs, they are about as safe as your cell phone. If you put unprotected batteries in there, you might have a problem.

That makes a lot of sense, and definitely puts my mind at ease. Thanks! I think based on this advice, and info from another thread on these, that I'm going to recommend this to her if it's not too big for her. If it is then maybe the smaller 14 sized one. Thanks so much to everyone! Now I am wishing I'd gotten something like this instead of the Riva. But oh well.

 

[MickeyRat]

I'm not an expert but, here's my understanding of the O2 thing. O2 will enhance combustion. It does not cause combustion. It can cause a small fire to go to a big fire in a hurry but, there has to be a fire. O2 itself does not ignite. A spark is not a fire. In some environment's special electrical switches are required because of the presence of fumes that can ignite. O2 is used in thousands of homes in the US including mine (severe sleep apnea) and I've never heard of any of them having to install explosion proof switches. The is no fire involved in vaping only heat. So, I don't believe it's a problem with O2.

 

[Debadoo]

I'm not expert either, and I was in school for respiratory therapy at one time but that was too many years ago to remember a lot, and I had an emergency that caused me to not be able to finish the program. But this is from the encyclopedia of nursing and allied health. I really don't know if the devices we use would be an issue or not, but it certainly got me to wondering. I suppose I'll just have my SIL ask her Dr about it, or the folks that deliver her oxygen.

A spark from a cigarette, electric razor, or other electrical device could easily ignite oxygen-saturated hair or bedclothes around the patient. Explosion-proof plugs should be used for vaporizers and humidifier attachments.

Care must be taken with oxygen equipment used in the home or hospital. Cylinders should be kept in carts, or have collars for safe storage. If not stored in a cart, smaller canisters may be lain on the floor. Knocking cylinders together can cause sparks, so bumping them should be avoided. In the home, the oxygen source must be placed at least 6 ft (1.8 m) away from flames or other sources of ignition