Killer 705 Clone from madvapes (Terminator RDA) for $11.99

[michliu]

I just received one and stuck it in an AGR tank. juice flow is fine, but the airflow is awful. Once the adapter and then the AGR locking ring are screwed on, airflow is really tight. And because I have to pull so hard, the atty then floods, even with the juice control closed. I've never used cartos and I don't have the original tank that the TT comes with. Any tips?

 

[AnsonJames]

Just replaced the ceramic cup/coil with an original Ebaron dripper pro cup - little bit of a struggle to get it on the air tip but it works perfectly. I've no "wobble" on the AGR, it's rock solid in fact - there's been no dry hits or flooding either.

The Killer costs $75 from the UK with a single head - you can buy FIVE of these clones for $16.95 and it actually performs better.

This is a bloody top notch device.

 

[nelsonm64]

i was going to grab a 5 pack from Vaping Craze but the buggers don't ship to Canada. 16.95 is such a steal! less than a 5 pack of eroll atty's! if anyone see's another site that sells the 5 pack i would appreciate a heads up, sofar the only site i can find is VC. to bad Fasttech doesn't sell them

 

[AnsonJames]

i was going to grab a 5 pack from Vaping Craze but the buggers don't ship to Canada. 16.95 is such a steal! less than a 5 pack of eroll atty's! if anyone see's another site that sells the 5 pack i would appreciate a heads up, sofar the only site i can find is VC. to bad Fasttech doesn't sell them

Same here.
Amazing there are businesses still in existence that don't ship internationally - they won't have any problems selling them domestically all the same.

 

[nelsonm64]

there MUST be another site out there that sells the 5 pack! there has to be...

 

[Jaseruckus]

My biggest complaint about this killer clone is rebuilding. I really hate that center pin. It's difficult to take it out the first time. When re-inserting it, it won't go all the way in. You run the risk of breaking you ceramic cup and have to settle with it only going halfway in. I eventually broke down and just purchased a Diver. I wanted to like this but because of the ugly bulb, wobble, and chrome plating ( which makes me believe it must be brass under it ) has made me shelf these. Diver seems like the way to go if your going after a carto type rba if your going after flavor and form factor. Not to mention filling. The Diver, you just fill it like you would a carto and you don't get anything sticking out with a XL tank. With this killer clone, you have to get a tank with an easy fill to fill it without having to take off either bottom or top caps.

 

[eratikmind]

My biggest complaint about this killer clone is rebuilding. I really hate that center pin. It's difficult to take it out the first time. When re-inserting it, it won't go all the way in. You run the risk of breaking you ceramic cup and have to settle with it only going halfway in. I eventually broke down and just purchased a Diver. I wanted to like this but because of the ugly bulb, wobble, and chrome plating ( which makes me believe it must be brass under it ) has made me shelf these. Diver seems like the way to go if your going after a carto type rba if your going after flavor and form factor. Not to mention filling. The Diver, you just fill it like you would a carto and you don't get anything sticking out with a XL tank. With this killer clone, you have to get a tank with an easy fill to fill it without having to take off either bottom or top caps.

The initial and current Diver releases only fit a standard 35mm sized tank. The longer 45mm XL tank can only be used with a Diver if a longer drip tip is used.

- Andy

 

[Firestorm]

The Diver, you just fill it like you would a carto and you don't get anything sticking out with a XL tank.

Unless your XL tanks are different from mine, I'm not sure how you can say this. In a standard size tube the top of the Diver sticks out a mm or so, which is really perfect IMHO. In an XL tank the top of the Diver is just below the o-rings - I need to use a long column drip tip to get it to work in my 19mm and 22mm IBTanked XL tubes.

Technically, you don't get anything sticking out when using a Diver in an XL tank, because it's too short.

 

[DaFreeK]

e-dym.pl sells the terminators without the tank. I think the price is 3€ for one, which is around 3.5-4$.


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[Kemosabe]

Some great tips on making a NR-R-NR setup (best I have seen):

whoda thunk, knot tying & vaping
getcher boy scout on!

thanks for posting- thats a fantastic approach. lets call it the fishermans nr method lol.

 

[StereoDreamer]

Got my long tube for the AMP tank today. Loaded it up on the eVic when I got home from work, with the Terminator, and full tank of AiV Twas Brillig.

And all I can say is that this combination works like it was DESIGNED to go together this way!

I'll be listing ll my cartos on the classies soon, and buying a crap-ton of these Terminators.

I will never punch another carto again.

I am standing on top of the Mountain in Vapor Nirvana...

There is PLENTY of room in the long tubes for the Terminator bulb. As you can see from the photo, I am not using the 510-510 extender--I screwed the bottom of the bulb DIRECTLY into the AMP tank base. And it feeds perfectly. I had to do a few "manual feeds" on the AMP carburetor to get it started, and didn't have to do another until I was nearly half-way through the tank.

The top tube of the "Termi" DOES stick up out of the top cap by bout 1/4", but to be honest, I consider that an unforseen advantage, because it makes dialing in the feed threads on the bottom of the atty easier. Instead of twisting the top cap to adjust how far into the base the atty is screwed (and HOPING the inside o-ring isn't too lubed to grab the atty), I can just twist the atty directly, because it's sticking out a little.

Sure it might not look as seemlessly perfect (and I my cut one off flush when I get more) but I'm all about function, and the esthetics of a perfectly-flush-mounted drip tip with the top of my tank isn't something I'm losing sleep over.

Especially when you consider that this vapes better than anything I've ever tried. Wow. Just wow.

Experiment: Successful

 

[zipflint]

Thanks to another board member, I got my Terminator in my AGR tank successfully, but every adjustment I made resulted in either harsh, dry hits, or total flooding. I never opened up the intake to the atomizer more than 3/4 of a turn, just enough to see the top of the holes just below the atomizer housing.

Clearly, I'm still doing something wrong. I got tired of bashing my head against this wall and resorted to ProTanks and Evods for the rest of the day. I'll try again tomorrow. I still appreciate all the help and input you all are providing though, don't get me wrong. I'm doing something wrong, something simple, and only trial and error will reveal exactly what it is that I'm screwing up.

 

[StereoDreamer]

Thanks to another board member, I got my Terminator in my AGR tank successfully, but every adjustment I made resulted in either harsh, dry hits, or total flooding. I never opened up the intake to the atomizer more than 3/4 of a turn, just enough to see the top of the holes just below the atomizer housing.

It sounds like you're not getting a good vacuum seal in your tank. When you assembled the tank, did you lube up the threads on the tube with a little juice or VG? Did you lube up the o-rings? I might even put a little juice on the threads of the fill screw.

If there is any air leaking in when you draw, it won't feed correctly, and will either just give dry hits. And if there isn't a proper vacuum, the atty will flood in a matter of minutes, when it's sitting, not being vaped.

Also, try fiddling with the locking ring on the bottom. You might have the atty screwed in too tight, or the 510 extender might be too loose or too tight on the bottom of the atty.

There are a LOT of variables with this setup, and one tiny mal-adjustment can make the entire system go into miserable failure.

But once you get it dialed in, it should vape like a champ, and you'll find that it was worth all the hassle. I know that my AMP tank/Terminator setup has me in Vape Heaven.

I'm going to set up my second Terminator in an X8 tank this evening (with AiV "Zombie Apocalypse"), and report on that combination later. Right after I have a few more vapes of the AMP... ;-)

 

[zipflint]

Thanks again StereoDreamer. You've been a big help and have convinced me to keep at it. I had no idea about potentially screwing in the atty too tightly. I'm pretty sure I was trying to get everything very secure so that I could just twist the top part of the Terminator atomizer barrel to open or close the inlets. That may have been where I went wrong.

Out of curiosity, have you tried the Phoenix Raven fillerless doodads from GV? The goal of both devices is very similar; an atty in a tank with continuous juice delivery. It took me a while to get that straight too, but once I did....OH MAN. Now that I've got a few decent tanks I'm ready to give that setup another try. But I haven't given up on the Killer Clone just yet either.

 

[Firestorm]

As an experiment I took the 510 juice control adapter from my Killer and used it with my Terminator to see if it would improve the wobble (I'm using a 22mm XL IBTanked). The answer is no, it still wobbles. I think that the problem is that the threaded post of the base / nest needs to be thicker in order to hold it in place better. When using the Killer (which I use with the longer bell in the same type of tank), the adapter is very hard to turn when in a tank and the o-rings are pushed down close to the bottom of the adapter. I need to lift the tank up so the o-rings are close to the top of the adapter in order to open or close the juice control, and sometimes I use a cloth or paper towel in order to get a good grip. FWIW, the Killer's adapter lost it's connection to the Terminator's base when the juice control was fully opened and it wouldn't fire.

Other than the wobble, which I hope they correct in a later revision, the Terminator is pretty awesome and on par with the Killer in terms of vape quality IMHO. I think that the juice well is larger than the Killer's, which would be an advantage in terms of better wicking. On the negative side, I think that the length of the bell is way too long and I want to find a way to cut 8mm of off it (I may just need to sand it for a long time).

 

[StereoDreamer]

I just placed n order for 2 5-packs of Terminators and 10 of the dedicated 510 extensions from Vapor Craze, for a total of 10 complete units.

I'll be keeping most of them, but I think I'm going to throw a few in for door prizes at the next local vape meet. This is the sort of thing I just feel compelled to PIF to someone... ;-)

Now, I just need to get a stockpile built up of the little ceramic cups that go inside these buggers... ;-)

 

[StereoDreamer]

The initial and current Diver releases only fit a standard 35mm sized tank. The longer 45mm XL tank can only be used with a Diver if a longer drip tip is used.

- Andy

Or you could get an extension from Avid, that they sell for using standard length attys with their long AMP Tank tubes...

510 Atomizer Tube Extender - Avid Vaper

 

[StereoDreamer]

Set up the X8 tank with the Terminator with a minor modification, and much to my surprise, it performs fantastically straight away. I DID have to open the cup about 3 or 4 twists to get the wick "primed", but once it was going, I closed it all the way down, and it works just fine.

The X8 has a tank that is only long enough for standard-size cartos. As such, the Terminator won't let you set the caps completely down tight, and it seems a little precarious. So what I did was take two #40 o-rings, and put them on the top and bottom cap, where the tank goes on (NOT replacing the seal o-rings, but around the part of the caps where the tank would normally seat.)

This gives you just enough "shim" so that with the Terminator in the tank, when you press the caps on as tight as they will go, everything seals up tight now, with no gaps. Plus the extra o-rings actually look pretty cool, and give you an extra bit of seal.

I'm looking into sources for Pyrex or Kimax tubing, so that I can make custom glass tank tubes for the X8 that will essentially be XL-length, so the "shim rings" won't be needed. This is a nicely-made tank, but with a thick-walled glass tube, it would be a top-shelf tank, I believe.

The locking mechanism (the screw in the bottom cap) makes this VERY solid and secure tank for the Terminator. There is NO wobbling, even if the flow-control cup is screwed WAY out. (I screwed it out far enough that the ground wire lost contact, and my eVic read "No atomizer found", and it still didn't wobble.)

NOTE: set up like this, with the additional displacement of the bulb on the Terminator, the X8 hold about 2.25ml of juice.


Experiment: Successful (with minor modification)

 

[tomjw3]

I took the 510 adapter off the Terminator screwed it on to a long barrel HH357 and slipped it into a Smok Pyrex DCT and now I have a poor mans AMP tank. This works better then the original AMP tank.
Has anyone else tried this?

 

[Firestorm]

Or you could get an extension from Avid, that they sell for using standard length attys with their long AMP Tank tubes...

The Diver is probably just about 10mm too short for an XL tank and the extension from Avid Vaper is just too long IMHO (unless you like the look of the Terminator where the top of the drip tip is like two inches from the top of the tank). I bought the Avid Vaper extension exactly for this purpose, but I think that you're better off getting a long column drip tip like this which works very well: http://www.rtdvapor.com/online-store/drip-tips/510-stainless-steel-type-e-detail