Lament of a former vaper
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i agree, with him but i think we vapers r a different breed, we is addicts and tinkerers ,problem solvers, these r the chararistics that bring us together.
we addicted to our vaper and we love tinkering with our pv s ,this is my favourite hobbie in a long f*u*c*k*in time
we addicted to our vaper and we love tinkering with our pv s ,this is my favourite hobbie in a long f*u*c*k*in time
When I first got here, I was overwhelmed with info. I spent a good 3 days of researching before I decided to go with the very chic M402 from AbsolutelyEcigs.com (the originators). I have never had a problem in the 2+ months that I've owned them.
Also, I switched from PG juice (Propylene Glycol) which made me cough and burned my throat, to VG juice (Vegetable Glycerine) much smoother and better vapor...just make sure you start out on higher nic. levels.
I would recommend every Newbie to spend several days going through the forums and especially "Model Specific Reviews".
Good Luck to you, Valmeow
Also, I switched from PG juice (Propylene Glycol) which made me cough and burned my throat, to VG juice (Vegetable Glycerine) much smoother and better vapor...just make sure you start out on higher nic. levels.
I would recommend every Newbie to spend several days going through the forums and especially "Model Specific Reviews".
Good Luck to you, Valmeow
That day is here now. Try the KR808D-1 (I use V4L vapor king) and for me it's a huge improvement in ease of use and consistency over 3 piece models.
I joined about what 2-3 weeks ago and all the time i spent day and night on this forum researching before I decided to jump on in and order. I received my kr808 today and I haven't had one analog. I'm so glad I have another alternative to get me off the analogs. This forum has been very very very helpful with anything I had to ask even my "stupid" questions. I love the people here even in my short period of being here I feel comfortable here in this forum.
You've only posted 15 times in 2 or 3 weeks. Take a look at some of the post counts of people with LESS time than you. There can be 100 or more. LOL That means you did NOT ask a lot of stupid questions. You researched, asked the right questions and made the purchase that was right for you.
Congrats on your first day, ma'am. Best of luck...
Travis, I wholeheartedly agree, without technical advances and reliability, the ecig will never go mainstream as a NRT. Not to get into a discussion of the same woes of the ecig, you might want to check out Carlos49 juicebox. He's the only one as far as I know that has done away with the chinese crap factor. He designs his own atomizers, an auto feed juice delivery, so you never have to fork around with carts again. Holds a big 18650 battery for long life vaping, and the reviews are good.
you can find him by searching his username on the forum "carlos49".
as far as the other mods, commercial or otherwise, they have the same flaws = chinese atomizers. Many of them have switch problems and some have caught fire. You're right, they are not really a better mousetrap. just glorified battery holders for the god awful chinese atomizers.
if I had started vaping like you 2 yrs ago, spent what you did, and come back to the same crap products, I'd feel the same way. I've tried most of the atomizers, including the KR808 cartomizers and they're all pretty lacking as far as trouble free, missing vapor, flooding, overheating, yatta yatta
Someone on here has a review of Carlos's Juice box if you want to check it out. Those 28K analogs you smoked between then and now, is too many to contemplate to not at least give it another try.
you can find him by searching his username on the forum "carlos49".
as far as the other mods, commercial or otherwise, they have the same flaws = chinese atomizers. Many of them have switch problems and some have caught fire. You're right, they are not really a better mousetrap. just glorified battery holders for the god awful chinese atomizers.
if I had started vaping like you 2 yrs ago, spent what you did, and come back to the same crap products, I'd feel the same way. I've tried most of the atomizers, including the KR808 cartomizers and they're all pretty lacking as far as trouble free, missing vapor, flooding, overheating, yatta yatta
Someone on here has a review of Carlos's Juice box if you want to check it out. Those 28K analogs you smoked between then and now, is too many to contemplate to not at least give it another try.
I will have to disagree here. I had nothing but problems with the 3 piece, but the KR808D has been very consistent for me. Trouble free would be the best way I could use to describe the KR808D (VK).
I got a couple of dse905's as gifts for two of my friends for xmas.They use them a little I think,but there is no can do attitude on their part.I was so excited to get started when my wife got me a njoy starter kit for my bday.I agree these are a problem causing product if you are trying to quit.But to just say they are all crap after using just one is insane.I moved on to a greensmoke kit,it was tough but I gave up the analogs with this one.That is about the time I discovered mods.Have 2 and a 3rd on the way.I just don't get the flak I catch from other smokers.Like the how much money are u going to spend on that stuff,or it looks gay and I would not be seen with one.There are so many good products out there,I can't imagine anyone not finding something that works for them,unless they let a metal tube and battery outsmart them I guess.
Yeah I guess.I don't get it,I think they are cool.Guess it takes a certain kinda man to step outside with the smokers and blaze up a screwdriver.I feel like Vince from sham wow every time someone ask me about it.But it seems like hardly anyone is interested.If someone would have let me see one of these in action I would have been all over it.
When someone says that, they mean it looks odd to them, they would feel uncomfortable being seen with it, in some small way it threatens them (possibly like a homosexual would, probably where the term derived from, he/it is 'queer') they boost their confidence in the statement by puffing up and calling it 'gay' in a defensive posture. It's just an indicator of their ignorance and lack of confidence in something, it really has nothing to do with a person's sexual orientation.
OP, I got the Intellicig Evo, I drip different flavors from cignot onto the atomizer rather than use the cart inside, I carry a 5mL bottle of fluid at all times and drip around 8 small drops for an hour or two of random vaping. About once a day I take the atomizer off and blow it out from the threaded side to clear it out, and about once a weak I leave it standing upside-down to drain for an hour. These are all things I've learned here and this method has kept me in the game and convinced vaping is better than smoking. That said, I have not been able to quit analogs enttirely, since day one of vaping, I have still smoked at least one analog a day. I know while I'm doing it, that it's not as satisfying as vaping my cignot parliament or USA mix, but something about that trash flavor and convenience of sparking up draws me back, Still, a couple cigs a day sure beats 30. Think about the inside of your lungs as motivation, as I tell my friends, Ecigs are not instant will power or an absolute replacement for smoking, but a more satisfying and safer alternative that takes a little hands-on tinkering and knowledge to master. Things will change, don't kill yourself in the meantime, you made it this far before most of us did. Best of luck to you! And thanks for helping lay the foundation of a great forum!
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Although the technology is young and needs work, for me, switching to ecigs is worth the "hassle". I have my life back. And no amount of hassle can change that.
I've saved a lot of cash, and have a bunch of new toys to show for it. Money alone is a good motivator for me, when I get the urge to buy a pack, I take a few huge pulls on some 24mg fluid and the urge instantly disappears. 
My main problem is hanging out with other smokers who are too generous, I need someone to really go off on me for bumming smokes.
Money alone is a good motivator for me, when I get the urge to buy a pack, I take a few huge pulls on some 24mg fluid and the urge instantly disappears. My main problem is hanging out with other smokers who are too generous, I need someone to really go off on me for bumming smokes.
I can relate to Travis with past experience, but persistence pays off. Yes it took a while to get the hang of a good vape, to understand how to get consistently good vapor. To get my body to the point where analogs where no longer required, to not bum an analog from friends. But when you fall on your face get up and try again. All good things come in time, you just need to keep trying and keep moving forward. Now I look back and boy did it suck in the beginning but hard work and a good attitude payed off. Found the device that works for me, the juices that work for me, the strength that works for me. I never thought I would enjoy something more then my analogs, and I can honestly say I enjoy vaping 10 fold. I cant wait to try out a higher voltage model once funds are available to do so. If you notice the I I I I I throughout this post there is a reason for it. You need to figure out what works for you! Everyone is different and everyone has found what works for them if you read though the countless posts on these wonderful forums you will see the proof.
I have trouble with my devices every once and a while,like my screwdriver broke and is in FL right now being repaired.But for the most part it's been a pretty easy switch for me.Can't wait for my chuck to get here and try out 6v.I hear it's worth the wait.I just hope that people that are doomed to smoke analogs like I was would see the light and give vaping a fair try.
Thanks again for the thoughtful replies, everyone. As I said before - it wasn't my intent to discourage anyone from the pursuit of vaping - I just felt the need to vent some frustration after giving e-cigs a second go. Obviously they are still a better alternative to analogs, and are worth some personal effort in that regard.
I'll stick with it for now and will continue reading through all of the information on this forum until I've tried all of the various techniques for improving the performance of the Joye510. And if I'm still not satisfied, I'll try my luck with one of the 2-stage models or one of the many other devices that are available now. Obviously there are plenty of you out there who have found a system that you're happy with. I'll check back into this thread along the way to re-visit some of your recommendations - so thanks.
...and yeah, I overreacted to the censorship thing. I understand this in an international forum with members from all walks of life, and could probably do without the heavy swearing. I tend to let the expletives fly after a few drinks, and was just caught a little off guard there.
I'll stick with it for now and will continue reading through all of the information on this forum until I've tried all of the various techniques for improving the performance of the Joye510. And if I'm still not satisfied, I'll try my luck with one of the 2-stage models or one of the many other devices that are available now. Obviously there are plenty of you out there who have found a system that you're happy with. I'll check back into this thread along the way to re-visit some of your recommendations - so thanks.
...and yeah, I overreacted to the censorship thing. I understand this in an international forum with members from all walks of life, and could probably do without the heavy swearing. I tend to let the expletives fly after a few drinks, and was just caught a little off guard there.
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I hope you find one or several that turn things around for you man.Out of all the people that I know that smoke ,I thought I would be the last one that would quit.2 plus packs a day for at least 14 15 years.Between being in the reserves(years ago) and my job type I was a smoking machine.You can do it,you just got to get fed up with giving those .......s your money for killing you.I really hope it works out for you.
Glad you're not giving up. My first kit arrived the day after Christmas, and I couldn't be happier with the decision. It really made giving up analogs incredibly easy for me. But, I have had problems. First, I made the mistake of getting a knock-off (L2) instead of a genuine Joye unit. I burned through the first atty in two days, and the second started clogging on me pretty quickly. I read through these forums, people reporting burning through an atty a week or more, and I kind of freaked. I bought a five pack from TW. I'm happy to say it's been over a week on the first of the new attys, and it's still working like new.
I do have occasional periods when vapor drops off, but it seems to have more to do with the liquid I'm using. The vanilla stuff I have seems to gum up the works, while the Camel juice clears it back up and produces a good consistent vapor.
I also played with the blue foam cart filler, but I've found it to be too loose, causing the liquid to leak out when not in use, and to burn up too quickly when in use. I've switched back to the standard white filling material.
It seems to me that vaping technique has more to do with success than tweaking the cart. A slight change in the angle I hold the PV at changes the vapor production appreciably.
My bigger problem is battery life. Last night I was swapping batteries faster than they could recharge. Maybe that's because of the apparently lower quality L2 batteries I have. They're the only ones I've used, so I don't know if it's normal or not. I'm thinking of getting a PCC, or else buying/making a battery mod. I would love to go a full day on a single charge.
I've also become very interested in the cartomizer systems, like the kr808d-1. The atty seems to be the weakest link in the ecig system in general, so using cheap, disposable ones rather than $7 ones seems a good idea. They seem more reliable and convenient too. I was looking at a Vapor King for my wife, because she wants something easy, but then she fell in love with the pink Phoenix from TrueSmoker, so we're probably going to order that for her. She's a much lighter smoker than I am, so she doesn't expect to share my frustration with the battery life. Two charged batts should last her all day easy.
The other thing I mentioned already is the quality of the liquid. I ordered several bottles of generic liquid with my 510 kit, and there's a big difference even between these. Like I said, the vanilla really gums up my atty, while the Camel vapes like a champ. I've been fairly happy with them overall, but they're all I've tried so far. I plan on getting some better quality juice Real Soon Now, probably either from Tasty Vaper or myfreedomsmokes. They both get good reviews here on the forum.
I'll probably invest in more blank cartridges too, since I'm having better luck with the stock filler, until it gets gummed up after several refills. They seem to work best for me with the glue still intact, so pulling the filler out and washing it is less than optimal. The fit of the cartridges loosens up over time as well, from the heat I guess.
And I don't miss analogs at all. My wife is still smoking, and the smell is repulsive to me now. And they aren't really that consistent. Most packs aren't dated, so you don't know if they're fresh or stale. I found they were stale 90% of the time. Sometimes they were so dry and stale they crackled when you smoked them. Occasionally you get a pack that just tastes nasty, or there are stems in them that make them burn weird and the cherry falls in your lap while you're driving. Lighters always getting lost... Midnight runs to the gas station when you run out... Brown snot... Dirty ashtrays and smelly butts... tiny burn holes in your clothes.
Has anyone else tried that trick where you blow smoke through a tissue? Analogs leave a nasty brown stain. Vapor leaves a slightly damp spot with no discoloration at all. I'm so happy I don't have to subject my lungs to smoke anymore.
Can you elaborate on this? I've seen this mentioned in several other places on the forum - but members keep referencing the importance of angle and draw, without really specifying how to do it.
Are you holding it perpendicular to your jaw? at an angle? 180, 90, 45 degrees? I have to say - I've been experimenting with all of the above, and haven't noticed a difference in performance. My vapor quality/consistency appears to be completely dependent on how often I top-off my cartridge with fresh juice. I'm struggling to find any reaction from the angle in which I'm holding the PV to my mouth when I draw. And I'm pretty sure that I draw from my PV the same way everyone else does... draw as if through a straw, for several seconds, to bring the vapor into the mouth - and then suck it down into the lungs, and exhale. Which is the same way I always smoked analogs. I never draw directly off the analog - I bring the smoke into my mouth first, and then I inhale it into my lungs. If I am making some kind of fundamental mistake in the way I draw vape off my 510 - I'd like to know now, before I start really tinkering with it!
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