Lament of a former vaper

[blondeambition3]

Travis has brought up some very good 'points'. While I love vaping, I hate the 'hassle' of hardware failure. (So much of it has such a short life-span for the money invested).... NICOTINE Addiction has got most of us by the short hairs and I think this Industry capitalizes on that.. which is really SAD.... but predictable).

I really think with ASIAN and US technology we'd be able to create & produce PV's that last a life-time with minimal maintenance. (Sort of like the .... maybe?) ... The Companies that produce & distribute the PV's would still make plenty of residual income/revenue from the sales of the starter kits (for all the new vapors they will always get) & the tons of e-cig accessories).

However Travis, despite the hardware failures and 'fussing' that goes along with the e-cig experience .. it's a heck of a lot cheaper (and safer!) than Analogs...... (and Funerals).

 

[blondeambition3]

Right now (yet) there isn't enough money to attract the businesses and a morass of litigation in the way. The only development the current manufacturers are doing is reading this forum. We are the developers and test departments.

The "Frankenstein PV some guy made in his basement", "but e-cigarettes need a breakthrough, MIT style. And the MacGuyver stuff here - it's admirable - but it's not going to cut it for me."

Thats it! Collectively we are MIT. Modders in transition. Or what ever. Two years later it seems almost all of the innovation in this industry has come from former and present members of this forum. It's likely to remain so for awhile.

If you read for a while you will find amongst our members engineers of several varieties, chemist and a whole host of specialties and tinkerers contributing. It's kind of like the Linux of the e-cig world.

When the e-cig gets to where you want it there wont be as much use for this forum. In the mean time we get to play, develop and share ideas.

MIT. Modders in transition...... (I love this!!!)

 

[VapingRulz]

Like many people on here, I smoked for twenty+ years and recently quit completely because of the PV. It is time consuming, but like others, I don't know that it's any more time consuming than analogs: getting out a lighter, lighting it, re-lighting it because it's gone out, buying cigs, making sure you have your cigs, figuring out when/where you smoke....In fact,I think that the time wasted on PVs is more useful than the time wasted on analogs.

Good point. I sometimes forget how much time, money, and energy were expended on smoking - not to mention angst.

I do have one new problem caused by switching to vaping. I keep forgetting to gas up my car because I always did cigarettes & gas on a regular schedule! Nearly ran out of gas last week...

 

[crmartin]

I have an eGo, a 510 on steroids, and really don't understand what is so difficult about pulling off the cartridge every now and then and dripping a couple of drops of ejuice into the blue foam mod. It sure beats the hassle of smoking analogs and having to find a place to smoke them and a place to put the ashes and butts. I do have to charge a battery every 10hrs or so. I have COPD and vaping has made breathing much easier as well reducing my coughing drastically. I have been using a pv for about 4 months now. I started with a 510 and it has been the only thing that has successfully allowed me to quit smoking.

 

[VapingRulz]

And how did that PC stuff get started? A couple of losers named Jobs and Wozniac tinkering in their garage and selling some pasted together toy they called the Apple to anyone that would buy it...and there weren't many at first. At first.

I want to see an e-cig Jobs or Wozniac bring a quality, reliable and fuss-free e-cig to the masses. It's all well and good - and obviously necessary - for the garage tinkerers to do the creating and refining, but it's useless if it's not mass-produced and heavily marketed. If a great e-cig is created in someone's garage but the masses don't get the opportunity to learn about and use it because it remains a cottage industry... it does not benefit your average smoker.

 

[Raenon]

Mmm'kay... didn't realize this forum was editing our content automatically either. I guess I used some language in the previous post which was deemed un-printable (...). Unprintable? ON THE INTERNET?? Alright - this isn't the forum I recalled in more ways than one. I'm done here, have fun with the censorship, everyone!

The first post seemed shortsighted, this one just makes me laugh.

God I hope you're joking, otherwise I'm just going to feel sorry for you.

 

[Rahz]

>>>>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CONSISTENT VAPE.

This hasn't been my experience, though I should mention that it did take me more than a month to figure this out. The unit (510) comes with carts, so I tried to make carts work. Of course, if I were to have bought a large supply of pre-filled carts I think the experience would have come closer to living up to the expectation. Pre-filled carts is kinda the way the unit was ment to be used.

But I wanted to save some money and refill.

Eventually, I tried dripping and never looked back. Consistant vape every time. Eventually I got tired of recharging batteries. I bought a passthrough, no more charging issues. I have a Chuck on the way and once that gets here I'll be switching out batteries once every other day.

In short, not wanting to spend the money to always use fresh carts, it took a little time to make things work well, but now vapeing is no more trouble than dripping a few drops in a hole, tokes are always consistant, life is good.

Some people prefer to use their PVs differently, so being new to the forum there is a sense of 'information overload'. But to come to the conclusion that PVs are a lot of trouble is a pre-mature assumption IMO. Figuring out how to get them to work trouble free could be a lot of trouble, but it's worth it in the end.

 

[Kurt]

Kurt, I'm glad I'm posting right after you so I don't have to quote that entire post just to say this... though you are relatively new here, you are one of my favorite posters.

Aw, shucks man, thanks! Coming from you that's quite a compliment, DC2!

 

[martha1014]

I realize there is a lot of problems associated with ecig and you don't always get consistent usage but I have found it as a good substitution for cigarettes. I can actually breathe again. Some people don't want to put out any effort to achieve this. I say that is just fine keep smoking your analgos but eventually you will regret it.

 

[Sar]

... Eventually I got tired of recharging batteries. I bought a passthrough, no more charging issues. ...

I would have never been able to switch from analogs to PV if I didn't have a good passthrough. That one thing made all the difference in the world.

 

[Elric13]

I use my Joye 510 mostly right now. It works great...and works even better now that I figured out a good mod that works flawlessly and I get get vape every pull.

May I ask what this mod was? You can PM me if you like. Thanks!

 

[martha1014]

Thanks Travis for all you negative reviews of the ecig. There are enough people on this forum who have found ecigs a satisfactory substitution for smoking. I don't think it good for new members to hear all the negative aspects of vaping. Its hard enough to quit smoking. I feel some new member who is thinking about quitting would read this and not even give it a try. If I had never tried I would still be smoking cigarettes. Not everybody has the same experience you did as a matter of fact look at all the positive reviews on this forum. That should be worth something.

I started with the Nipro also and did not have a very good experience. Then I got a 510 and it works wonderfully. A lot of vapor and throat hit. All I do is blow out my atomizers and recharge my batteries and of course a drip directly on the atomizer. No refilling carts or extensive cleaning of atomizers. I have been vaping 9 months and have had atomizers last up to 4 months.

I don't think because you had a negative views from 2 years ago you did not really expect it to work now.

I think there has been advancement in the ecig. Look how the Nipro works and compare it to the 510 or some of the mod. I really can't see why you would expect some great advancement in the ecig because as far as I am concerned they work pretty good at least for 1000s of people.

 

[testekleez]

Thanks Travis for all you negative reviews of the ecig. There are enough people on this forum who have found ecigs a satisfactory substitution for smoking. I don't think it good for new members to hear all the negative aspects of vaping. Its hard enough to quit smoking. I feel some new member who is thinking about quitting would read this and not even give it a try. If I had never tried I would still be smoking cigarettes. Not everybody has the same experience you did as a matter of fact look at all the positive reviews on this forum. That should be worth something.

I started with the Nipro also and did not have a very good experience. Then I got a 510 and it works wonderfully. A lot of vapor and throat hit. All I do is blow out my atomizers and recharge my batteries and of course a drip directly on the atomizer. No refilling carts or extensive cleaning of atomizers. I have been vaping 9 months and have had atomizers last up to 4 months.

I don't think because you had a negative views from 2 years ago you did not really expect it to work now.

I think there has been advancement in the ecig. Look how the Nipro works and compare it to the 510 or some of the mod. I really can't see why you would expect some great advancement in the ecig because as far as I am concerned they work pretty good at least for 1000s of people.

I dunno about that. Until they make it as reliable as a spark and an analog, many will not use it. Travis hit the nail on the head with his OP. It's exactly how I feel and I've tried damn near every mod out there.

With the juicing, you get juice all over your fingers and carts and have to wipe em down all the time. It's a pain! Then once you get used to how to fill the carts, the damn batteries die lol or the atty fries.

I'm just going to wait until a great product hits the market that the only things I have to do to it are change a battery and insert some juice container and the damn thing will hit the same every time like a cig and I won't have to carry around carts, bats and juice bottles when I want to go out and enjoy myself.

The technological concept is there, it's just waiting for the right people to put out the right product and it won't take them very long to become very wealthy. As to big tobacco, why wouldn't Philip Morris want in on this? If anything, big tobacco will be the ones to make it happen! You think they really care whether their revenue comes from an analog or an e-cig? Money is money!

 

[DC2]

I'm just going to wait until a great product hits the market that the only things I have to do to it are change a battery and insert some juice container and the damn thing will hit the same every time like a cig and I won't have to carry around carts, bats and juice bottles when I want to go out and enjoy myself.

I suggest you try again when you really care about quitting.

 

[crashtestjeep]

Thanks to the "McGivers" and "frankenstien PV makers in thier basement", ECigs ARE improving more and MORE daily

 

[crashtestjeep]

I dunno about that. Until they make it as reliable as a spark and an analog, many will not use it. Travis hit the nail on the head with his OP. It's exactly how I feel and I've tried damn near every mod out there.

With the juicing, you get juice all over your fingers and carts and have to wipe em down all the time. It's a pain! Then once you get used to how to fill the carts, the damn batteries die lol or the atty fries.

I'm just going to wait until a great product hits the market that the only things I have to do to it are change a battery and insert some juice container and the damn thing will hit the same every time like a cig and I won't have to carry around carts, bats and juice bottles when I want to go out and enjoy myself.

The technological concept is there, it's just waiting for the right people to put out the right product and it won't take them very long to become very wealthy. As to big tobacco, why wouldn't Philip Morris want in on this? If anything, big tobacco will be the ones to make it happen! You think they really care whether their revenue comes from an analog or an e-cig? Money is money!

When I smoked, I carried a lighter, my smokes and when in the car-air freshener and perfume....now I grab my Chuck and a bottle of juice. My PV hits great every time, unless its top off time----kinda like lighting a cig....I also used a zippo so the filling thing Im used to. Its only as hard as you make it. A good battery in a good device keeps ur atty unclogged and pretty darn prob free. Now I can come home from a night out wout smelling like the bar dunped its ashtryas on me before leaving, no burns from mishandling my cig while drinking, I no longer litter from my car window (butts) and if I use perfume in the morning, when Im home from my day I can still smell it...I LOVE vaping, but-Im sure its not for everyone...just like smoking

 

[testekleez]

When I smoked, I carried a lighter, my smokes and when in the car-air freshener and perfume....now I grab my Chuck and a bottle of juice. My PV hits great every time, unless its top off time----kinda like lighting a cig....I also used a zippo so the filling thing Im used to. Its only as hard as you make it. A good battery in a good device keeps ur atty unclogged and pretty darn prob free. Now I can come home from a night out wout smelling like the bar dunped its ashtryas on me before leaving, no burns from mishandling my cig while drinking, I no longer litter from my car window (butts) and if I use perfume in the morning, when Im home from my day I can still smell it...I LOVE vaping, but-Im sure its not for everyone...just like smoking

Oh I like vaping. That part I don't have a problem with. Just too much of a PITA to get to the actual vaping part. The rest of it is tooling around like a junkie trying to get his fix. Eventually, these problems will be solved and I can't wait for that day to come. Until then, I'm not ponying up more cabbage for more headaches.

 

[gsc4077]

There's definitely a learning curve to vaping, I don't think it's a big one but it's there. I think the biggest mistake new Vapers make is that they start with the attitude that these are "care free" devices. . . thats what i did a year ago and it lasted a whole week then I gave up.

It wasn't until last October that I started looking back into e-ciggs. Even more skeptical about it than before. I pretty much spent the last 3 months of '09 on this forum, reading reviews, peoples stories, complaints and compliments before i felt confident enough to make an order (on Christmas day). I have my VP Spade now and its working great. Being an ex heavy smoker (1-1 1/2 packs a day. Sometimes 2), and someone who tries to be a bit stylish (and i really stress TRIES ), i think that The Spade was the perfect choice for me.

So for anyone reading this that is still looking to get into e-ciggs . . TAKE YOUR TIME AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK. . . it really is an investment and you want to make sure you make the right choice.

 

[bluesuede]

Geez, I'm a gramma and if I can get it to work why can't some guys, huh? No patience I bet.

 

[Wireguy]

LMAO! Go bluesuede,