i have made up a very large batch of 500ml of 10 different flavours? all of which do not contain any alcohol in the flavourings? will i need to breath the liquids for 1-6 hours cap off to obtain smoothness after a week of steeping then leave for 1 more week? or will i be fine to just leave them in a dark cupboard with the caps on for 2weeks? they are all non-alcohol capella flavourings at 20% flavouring?
Large batch of E-liquid does it need to breathe if it does not contain alcohol?
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A little air-exchange seems to help the flavors develop. I don't DIY, but all my new bottles, alcoholic or not, go open-necked for about 4 hours after initial warming and shaking, then I burp and shake them every day or two during extended steeping.
i make about the same at a time, 600ml today of my ADV. I just leave one bottle alone, with the cap on and when i've used the other which sits on my desk, vape it.
I'm far too lazy to warm it up, take the cap off, and i'm not sure it contributes much to the final flavour UNLESS you are using tobacco or very complex mixes. My capella apple pie and cinnamon swirl are vapeable from the start, as are a lot of fruit flavours.
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I'm far too lazy to warm it up, take the cap off, and i'm not sure it contributes much to the final flavour UNLESS you are using tobacco or very complex mixes. My capella apple pie and cinnamon swirl are vapeable from the start, as are a lot of fruit flavours.
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so really don't you think breathing the e-liquid will really make a difference they are going to be sat for 1-2 weeks before i vape them anyway?
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Nope.
Warming them up and rattling them about in ultrasonic cleaners and so on is just to speed up the steep time. If you leave them alone, the same thing happens, just more slowly.
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Warming them up and rattling them about in ultrasonic cleaners and so on is just to speed up the steep time. If you leave them alone, the same thing happens, just more slowly.
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thing is though the jars are literally air tight? so no new air is getting in there? do you think even a quick 15 mins with cap off to let in fresh air and let the old air disperse twice or just once half way through for the first week? then just let it chill and let nature take its course?
Unless you are topping off the gap between the liquid level and the topcap using something like Argon gas, there's enough air in there.
I've heard of people doing that to preserve liquid, but not to steep it.
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I've heard of people doing that to preserve liquid, but not to steep it.
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ok lol.. i was really talkin about releasing any slight hidden floral/perfumy undertones that may be lurking?
It MAY depend on the flavors - but I agree with you, alcohol in the flavoring is a big contributor to needing "open air steeping".
I only mix 100 ml batches (well, actually it's 110 ml in a 120 ml bottle) - and I find it steeps just fine in about 2 weeks, top on with occasionally shaking. My only other thoughts:
- It may be that these USE alcohol, but I found early that tobaccos and vanillas needed open air steeping more than any other flavors
- Big batch will likely take longer - if you've been getting good flavor with a 2 week steep mixing 30 mls, and now you've mixed 500 mls, I would NOT expect it to be ready in the same 2 weeks!!
I only mix 100 ml batches (well, actually it's 110 ml in a 120 ml bottle) - and I find it steeps just fine in about 2 weeks, top on with occasionally shaking. My only other thoughts:
- It may be that these USE alcohol, but I found early that tobaccos and vanillas needed open air steeping more than any other flavors
- Big batch will likely take longer - if you've been getting good flavor with a 2 week steep mixing 30 mls, and now you've mixed 500 mls, I would NOT expect it to be ready in the same 2 weeks!!
Actually, I do that.
I don't KNOW if it does anything, but I let a little fresh air in, then shake, a few times over a couple weeks.
My logic, with no proof whatsoever, is that somehow, letting the top air out, and fresh air in, there's another chance for air to interact with the liquid. Mine changes color, which makes me think that there may be some kind of O2 reaction- so when I went to a larger bottle, I thought "hmmm - much less comparative surface area, maybe I better air it out".
I don't KNOW if it does anything, but I let a little fresh air in, then shake, a few times over a couple weeks.
My logic, with no proof whatsoever, is that somehow, letting the top air out, and fresh air in, there's another chance for air to interact with the liquid. Mine changes color, which makes me think that there may be some kind of O2 reaction- so when I went to a larger bottle, I thought "hmmm - much less comparative surface area, maybe I better air it out".
well i think i have made my plan of action... make up jars leave for 1 week shaking now and then then after 1 week leave jar opened for half an hour to let old air escape and new air go in then just shake it and let nature take its course... should be fine
I just mix up my base and nic with no flavorings then put it into a container with tap hot water in it for several minutes. Put it onto my magnetic mixer, start and add the flavorings after its got a good spin going. Let sit for a good day or so then sample. I'm still climbing the learning curve on DIY but slightly warming up the base does incorporate the flavors better. I don't believe in speed steeping but let time take its course with my juices.
I've always wondered this myself. When I first started vaping I was really into naturally extracted tobacco flavors. These had alcohol in them due to the extraction process.... those definitely needed to breathe for a while to get rid of the alcohol. But recently I've seen a few websites that sell "made to order" juices, the kind that are mixed when you order them so when they arrive in the mail there super fresh still. The company stated they do not use any alcohol extractions or flavors, but they recomend to breathe the bottles for about two hours before the steeping process. I'm not exactly sure why this is. There are a ton of premium juices we buy at vape shops that are made and bottled with no breathing or steeping process.... they just sit in the bottle for weeks or months before being purchased, and they taste just fine.
I don't breathe my bottles whatsoever. If I use alcohol in an extraction, I let it evaporate before closing the bottle and putting it into 'steep mode'. I do not know objectively, but it seems to me that breathing does nothing for the mix whatsoever besides oxidation, which makes your nic weaker and changes the color of the mix slightly. Even in air-tight jars, I wouldn't be worried about whether or not you burp your recipes.
Just tried some VG-alcohol flavorings without steeping. I do not feel any alcohol in vapor. Are you people sure it is alcohol that makes a need in juice "breathing"? There are a lot of chemicals in flavorings besides alcohol.
What kind of VG alcohol flavoring are you using? How are you liking it so far? Do you know what the percentage of VG to alcohol is in the flavoring?
Kinda curious, I want to make some nice super high VG juice. I know PG carries the flavoring much better than VG flavoring does, but I don't know much about VG alcohol flavorings. Seems like it could be the key to getting super high VG juice mixes without having to add 30 percent VG flavoring just to get a strong enough flavor profile in it.
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Knowing that VG is very poor extractor I believe they use alcohol in all their flavorings; have no idea how much.
I have tried alcohol+water as a substitute for PG and at 5% I felt some increased harshness, but at 2% alcohol was invisible.
If a flavor does not contain alcohol it does not need to air out. Some will air out a mixture that does not contain alcohol if it has a strong chemical taste and odor but a good steeping will usually take care of the chemical taste and odor.
Opening the bottle to let fresh air in speeds up the oxidizing of the nicotine which causes the color change. This is not nessessary but can assist in the steeping process.
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