Latest ANTZ theory: the *gateway conspiracy*

[AgentAnia]

More barrel bottom scraping by the soldier ANTZ: "Donald Bucklin: E-cigarettes' real purpose is to create a new generation of smokers"

http://azstarnet.
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[Orb Skewer]

A comment from Dan Eff
"Seldom does one see a argument so thoroughly documented. The evidence is overwhelming. Great job.
Next Donald will document the link between Chem Trials and babies born naked."

 

[Uma]

Hehe, that was a good one! (Chem trails). :thumbsup:

 

[MorpheusPA]

Oh. My. Stars.

Yeah, because my big PV looks so damned sexy that teenagers just flock around me to ask where they can buy one and start "smoking." Not.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Oh. My. Stars.

Yeah, because my big PV looks so damned sexy that teenagers just flock around me to ask where they can buy one and start "smoking." Not.

Make sure its beige and has an elasticated waistband just to make doubly sure

 

[WillyZee]

smoking will never be totally gone without a replacement ... people have been smoking for 1000s of years and many people worldwide still enjoy it.

Patches, gum, sprays and pills are never going to stop everyone from smoking ... the only thing that will bring smoking to it's knees and have a chance at completely stopping it ... is a replacement to smoking.

I may be the only person who sees it like this ... the future generations of smokers need to be vaping ... not smoking.

 

[damthisisfun]

Dr Duck - E cigs are not about who may or may not get hooked - it is about the millions that smoke and want to have a safer alternative. No one has ever been able to stop people from doing what they want to do.........look around u Dr Duck........kids smoke, drink, inject etc etc various things..............I think you need to be worried about those rather than nicotine....

 

[AgentAnia]

"Let’s not fool ourselves that these cute “personal vaporizers” are out there to get 60-year-old smokers to quit. The real purpose is getting 16-year-olds to start."

AA awards Dr. Duck today's Tinfoil Hat (Spurious) citation. AA also takes exception to the use of "cute" to describe PVs. My black/white yin/yang eGo w/ Protank mini is not "cute," it is tres elegante, thankyouverymuch.

Don't you love Dr. Duck's either/or characterization? Ecigs are *either* a quit aid *or* a lure to youth. Nothing about harm reduction, or simply switching.

 

[Vocalek]

Have to wonder where he got this from.

We have made great progress in the last two decades to reduce smoking. In many areas, smoking is so rare that it’s actually startling to see someone lighting one up.

What makes him think that they were not lighting up while out of his sight?

According to my sources (CDC statistics), the number of adult smokers hovered around 46 million from 1990 through 2009 and began dropping in 2010.

 

[Vocalek]

Dr Duck - E cigs are not about who may or may not get hooked - it is about the millions that smoke and want to have a safer alternative. No one has ever been able to stop people from doing what they want to do.........look around u Dr Duck........kids smoke, drink, inject etc etc various things..............I think you need to be worried about those rather than nicotine....

And if he wants to know how recent use of types of tobacco products compare to recent use of e-cigarettes, all he has to do is scroll down to the table at the bottom of the CDC's November 15, 2013 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. Tobacco Product Use Among Middle and High School Students — United States, 2011 and 2012

Here are the stats for smoking initiation among youth (2002 - 2012) Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

.........

In 2012, there were 2.4 million persons aged 12 or older who had used ......... for the first time within the past 12 months; this averages to about 6,600 new users each day. The 2012 estimate was similar to the estimates in 2008 through 2011 (ranging from 2.2 million to 2.6 million), but was higher than the estimates in 2003, 2004, 2006, and 2007 (ranging from 2.0 million to 2.1 million) (Figure 5.4).

Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ


Hallucinogens

In 2012, there were 1.1 million persons aged 12 or older who had used hallucinogens for the first time within the past 12 months (Figure 5.5). This estimate was similar to the estimates for 2002, 2004 to 2008, and 2011 (ranging from 0.9 million to 1.2 million). However, this estimate for 2012 was higher than the 2003 estimate (886,000) and was lower than the estimates in 2009 and 2010 (1.3 million and 1.2 million, respectively).

Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

Psychotherapeutics

The number of recent new users of methamphetamine among persons aged 12 or older was 133,000 in 2012 (Figure 5.6), which also was the 2011 estimate and was similar to the 2010 estimate (107,000). However, the number of initiates in 2012 was lower than the estimates in 2002 to 2004 and in 2006 (ranging from 259,000 to 318,000). The average age at first use among new methamphetamine users aged 12 to 49 in 2012 was 19.7 years, which was similar to the corresponding estimates from 2002 to 2011 (ranging from 17.8 to 22.2 years).

Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

Tobacco

The number of persons aged 12 or older who smoked cigarettes for the first time within the past 12 months was approximately 2.3 million in 2012, which was similar to the estimates from 2004 through 2011 (ranging from 2.1 million to 2.5 million), but was higher than the estimates for 2002 and 2003 (1.9 million and 2.0 million, respectively) (Figure 5.7). The 2012 estimate averages to about 6,400 new cigarette smokers every day. About half of new cigarette smokers in 2012 (51.4 percent) initiated prior to age 18.

Results from the 2012 NSDUH: Summary of National Findings, SAMHSA, CBHSQ

Hmmm... The ANTZ had led me to believe that almost all people started smoking before the age of 18.

 

[Orb Skewer]

Dr Duck - E cigs are not about who may or may not get hooked - it is about the millions that smoke and want to have a safer alternative. No one has ever been able to stop people from doing what they want to do.........look around u Dr Duck........kids smoke, drink, inject etc etc various things..............I think you need to be worried about those rather than nicotine....

Ha ha elders in my family always called the doctor a Quack -and now I know !

 

[Steamix]

http://www.timigus tafson.com/2011/health-habits-top-10-list/

Quote from above article -

1. Stop smoking ( or don't start). ..

Unquote

Well, Doc, dem kids are doing exactly that. And if you really think that anyone taking a good tasty pull off a PV is going to enjoy a cigarette you're well advised to run a reality check. Then again, would you prefer dem kids tossing or snorting something worse with less smell and less taste ?...

Chantix is rumored to be very effective to help people quit. Kinda hard to smoke when you've offed yourself after a depressive bout.

Sometimes I think being utterly fanatic about something ( like ANTZ ) is some kind of addiction too - addicted to telling other people what to do and meddling around in their lives...

Get a life - or get a shrink. Maybe it can be treated...

 

[damthisisfun]

Just for kicks I posted the vaporactive vid link in the comments for Dr duck to check out.....vid makes more sense than his BS.....lol

 

[Orb Skewer]

Well ridiculed, the comments are something else on this piece

The Doc will be having an imodium breakfast for a week after reading that lot

 

[AgentAnia]

Is anyone else not able to see the comments?

 

[Orb Skewer]

Is anyone else not able to see the comments?

Ok this end Ania


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