Maybe they meant the regular ones, not the Twist. The consistent voltage for an eGo-C and an eGo-T is 3.3v.
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Maybe they meant the regular ones, not the Twist. The consistent voltage for an eGo-C and an eGo-T is 3.3v.
He was def talking about the regular ego. The twist has variable voltage. The reg ego has less power than the Kgo that has 3.7v.
But volts are not the whole story!! Much of the performance is going to be influenced by the level of ohms being used. I get tremendous satisfaction with the standard eGo voltage with a 1.7ohm LR atomizer, or a 2 ohm one (the 2 ohm is on the fence whether it's "SR" or "LR"...most consider it LR, but it depends on who you ask.)
Can't go by the voltage of the battery alone. Using an PV is a marriage of several different elements that one has to figure out to find the right one for YOU. I also use mechanical mods, and VV devices....not just the eGo type. It really depends on so many factors what is the right mix at any given time!! Higher voltage with low ohm resistance can produce a most unpleasant burnt taste and harsh TH. Low voltage like the standard eGo with a 3 ohm or higher resistance deliver device can be mild to the point of yawning. It's an art. There are NO fixed "answers".)
I would not buy anything that's not VV. Why should you when the Ego twist is so well loved by so many? You asked above if the Provari is worth the extra money. It all depends on if you plan to vape to cut down your nic slowly and then try to quit or if you intend to vape for ever. The ego batts have a life span of like 300 charges. When they stop holding a charge you throw them away and buy new ones. A Provari or any battery mod will just need the battery replaced which is 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of buying an ego twist. In the long run you could save mone with any mod via the batteries but maybe you won't vape long enough to even use up an ego twist. Just something to think about.
Thrasher, thanks for the reassurane on the twist. As for the Joye tank... I think I'll skip trying it for now. The extra maintenance required doesn't seem worth it at the moment. Perhaps something to revist down the line.
Off Topic, are the tanks really that fragile? I'll be sitting at a desk most of the time but I've been known to have the butter fingers. I'd think that the occasional break would not be that tragic due to the low cost of most system. Something to think about though, so thanks for that.
fourthrok. appreciate the detail. I've seen the EM(S/D)CC mentioned on several threads so I'm assuming it is a pretty solid option. My cursory searches show this is an opaque cartonomizer, correct? Perhaps I'm scarred from the mass produced Green Smoke cartonomizers but I have a sever phobia of dry hits. I occasionally wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat with the taste of burning filler in my mouth. I'd end up using a cartotank similar to what you mentioned, but at that point I've increased the diamater of the system greatly and have to worry about slotting or punching holes, correct? This was why I was kind of leaning towards something like the 3.5 mL SmokTech. Have you tried anything like that which comes close to the EMSCC in terms of longevity and performance?
Also... I hadn't given much though to the LR/SR options, so thanks for bringing that up. Some follow up reading I did on this seems to sugget that the VV of the Twist would be able to work with both ends of the resistance spectrum decently well. I like the idea of starting out with LR since it should, in theory, extend the battery life. It also seems that the single vs dual coil also plays a role in how the different ohm atomizers perform. Any particular reason you suggest avoiding the double coils?
NullMYndZ, perhaps I was to quick to dismiss that kit so my appologies to Off Topic. I went back and looked at it again and suppose my biggest question would be about the thread style of that battery tube. Would I be looking for eGo type connections or something else? I hadn't really considered a tube/battery unit but I can see the advantage over time with just replacing the batteries as opposed to the whole system. The only thing really turning me off from that option is the lack of variable voltage. I'm kind of keen on starting off with that since everything I've read indicates it makes a huge difference for fine tuning how your juice delivery system behaves. Also, thanks for suggesting the Stardust and Vivi Nova. I'm pretty much settled on one of those two being my introduction to the world of clearos.
ajventi, you pretty much confirmed my desire for a VV battery so thank you. I understand the auto concern as well, but figure I'll give the manual a try and see how it goes. Can always pick up an auto later once I figure out what voltage works best for whatever tank/juice I end up with. The Stardust endorsement seems to be pretty common, so I guess that's what I'll start with for a clearomizer. What's this with replacing heads though? I thought those systems were pretty much throw-away when they reach the end of their refil potential. This brings up another question... how do you know when a clearo or carto-tank should be abandoned? Is the performance degredation slow and steady or will there be a noticable decline in a short period of time? As for sampling juice... good question. I was pretty much just planning on using up all of the sample flavor then washing out and switching to the next flavor. Is there some obvious problem with this plan that I'm overlooking? And thanks for the juice info!
The Ocelot, looks like you are perahps going down a similar road to the path I'm planning. What clearo do you find to be the easiest/best bang-for-the-buck? So far I'm leaning towards the Stardust, but that Kanger T3 looks nice and easy so I might rethink this. Another member suggested going with the replaceable head version of the Stardust. Would that be similar to rebuilding the mini nova? I'm also keen to avoid b*tt hurt, but if the annoyance is minor and infrequent with a decent cost savings perhaps I'll look into it. As for the carto/tank... I like the look of the one you pictured. Have you tried any pre-built cart/tank systems that you can suggest for a beginner? I'm not quite ready to jump into purchasing different tanks/cartonmizers and all the combinations that entails. Really looking for something that comes together which I can use to get a "base line" for how well the carto tanks perform compared to a clearomizer. And no worries about the ramble, was very helpful!
williebb123, thanks for the juice info. I'll try to keep this in mind. Can I assume most sampler packs are a 30/70 type blend and suitable for most applications?
klynnn, I heard some about the spinner but didn't really dig much. I'll give it a look, thanks!. As for the Vivi Nova... I think I'm going to go for that on round two. More reading seems to suggest that, while it is easy to use, it is a bit more work than the dead-simple clearos or carto-tank systems. I've also heard that it is a hybrid type device, kind of a cross between a clearo and carto-tank. Is there any truth to this? If so, will be interesting to see how it performs for me after I can baseline the two other types.
Carlofpembroke, are you using the eGo tank system? If so... please let me know how it works for you. I have pretty much decided against starting off with that, but if you find it easy and carefree then perhaps I'll add it back to my beginner mix. Good luck!
flintlock62, I've pretty much decided to aoid the Joye tank for now, so thanks for the confirmation. As for the clearo, carto tank suggestions I will look into those. And the spinner/twist thing... my eyes are still decent so perhaps it will come down to the best deal I can get for the hardware and what kinds of goodies I can get with the different kits. With juice, someone else suggested an exact opposite blend. Ha! I'll just have to start with the sample packs and adjust from there. Thanks!
DanaA, I honestly plan to vape forever. This is most assuredly something to think about. What is the pace of technology advances in these batteries though? Suppose I plunk down a chunk of cash for a Provari... would I be wishing I had something else in a year? I mean, how long before we see battery systems which have manual/auto selectors or variable voltage linked to draw strength? Can't be too far down the road can it? Or is this one of those things where the tech is really not changing all that much but rather the production methods are making what used to be top-of-the-line (VV) now available in a cheaper disposable package? Man... so many options!
Off Topic, are the tanks really that fragile? I'll be sitting at a desk most of the time but I've been known to have the butter fingers. I'd think that the occasional break would not be that tragic due to the low cost of most system. Something to think about though, so thanks for that.
fourthrok. appreciate the detail. I've seen the EM(S/D)CC mentioned on several threads so I'm assuming it is a pretty solid option. My cursory searches show this is an opaque cartonomizer, correct? Perhaps I'm scarred from the mass produced Green Smoke cartonomizers but I have a sever phobia of dry hits. I occasionally wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat with the taste of burning filler in my mouth. I'd end up using a cartotank similar to what you mentioned, but at that point I've increased the diamater of the system greatly and have to worry about slotting or punching holes, correct? This was why I was kind of leaning towards something like the 3.5 mL SmokTech. Have you tried anything like that which comes close to the EMSCC in terms of longevity and performance?
Also... I hadn't given much though to the LR/SR options, so thanks for bringing that up. Some follow up reading I did on this seems to sugget that the VV of the Twist would be able to work with both ends of the resistance spectrum decently well. I like the idea of starting out with LR since it should, in theory, extend the battery life. It also seems that the single vs dual coil also plays a role in how the different ohm atomizers perform. Any particular reason you suggest avoiding the double coils?
NullMYndZ, perhaps I was to quick to dismiss that kit so my appologies to Off Topic. I went back and looked at it again and suppose my biggest question would be about the thread style of that battery tube. Would I be looking for eGo type connections or something else? I hadn't really considered a tube/battery unit but I can see the advantage over time with just replacing the batteries as opposed to the whole system. The only thing really turning me off from that option is the lack of variable voltage. I'm kind of keen on starting off with that since everything I've read indicates it makes a huge difference for fine tuning how your juice delivery system behaves. Also, thanks for suggesting the Stardust and Vivi Nova. I'm pretty much settled on one of those two being my introduction to the world of clearos.
ajventi, you pretty much confirmed my desire for a VV battery so thank you. I understand the auto concern as well, but figure I'll give the manual a try and see how it goes. Can always pick up an auto later once I figure out what voltage works best for whatever tank/juice I end up with. The Stardust endorsement seems to be pretty common, so I guess that's what I'll start with for a clearomizer. What's this with replacing heads though? I thought those systems were pretty much throw-away when they reach the end of their refil potential. This brings up another question... how do you know when a clearo or carto-tank should be abandoned? Is the performance degredation slow and steady or will there be a noticable decline in a short period of time? As for sampling juice... good question. I was pretty much just planning on using up all of the sample flavor then washing out and switching to the next flavor. Is there some obvious problem with this plan that I'm overlooking? And thanks for the juice info!
The Ocelot, looks like you are perahps going down a similar road to the path I'm planning. What clearo do you find to be the easiest/best bang-for-the-buck? So far I'm leaning towards the Stardust, but that Kanger T3 looks nice and easy so I might rethink this. Another member suggested going with the replaceable head version of the Stardust. Would that be similar to rebuilding the mini nova? I'm also keen to avoid b*tt hurt, but if the annoyance is minor and infrequent with a decent cost savings perhaps I'll look into it. As for the carto/tank... I like the look of the one you pictured. Have you tried any pre-built cart/tank systems that you can suggest for a beginner? I'm not quite ready to jump into purchasing different tanks/cartonmizers and all the combinations that entails. Really looking for something that comes together which I can use to get a "base line" for how well the carto tanks perform compared to a clearomizer. And no worries about the ramble, was very helpful!
williebb123, thanks for the juice info. I'll try to keep this in mind. Can I assume most sampler packs are a 30/70 type blend and suitable for most applications?
klynnn, I heard some about the spinner but didn't really dig much. I'll give it a look, thanks!. As for the Vivi Nova... I think I'm going to go for that on round two. More reading seems to suggest that, while it is easy to use, it is a bit more work than the dead-simple clearos or carto-tank systems. I've also heard that it is a hybrid type device, kind of a cross between a clearo and carto-tank. Is there any truth to this? If so, will be interesting to see how it performs for me after I can baseline the two other types.
Carlofpembroke, are you using the eGo tank system? If so... please let me know how it works for you. I have pretty much decided against starting off with that, but if you find it easy and carefree then perhaps I'll add it back to my beginner mix. Good luck!
flintlock62, I've pretty much decided to aoid the Joye tank for now, so thanks for the confirmation. As for the clearo, carto tank suggestions I will look into those. And the spinner/twist thing... my eyes are still decent so perhaps it will come down to the best deal I can get for the hardware and what kinds of goodies I can get with the different kits. With juice, someone else suggested an exact opposite blend. Ha! I'll just have to start with the sample packs and adjust from there. Thanks!
DanaA, I honestly plan to vape forever. This is most assuredly something to think about. What is the pace of technology advances in these batteries though? Suppose I plunk down a chunk of cash for a Provari... would I be wishing I had something else in a year? I mean, how long before we see battery systems which have manual/auto selectors or variable voltage linked to draw strength? Can't be too far down the road can it? Or is this one of those things where the tech is really not changing all that much but rather the production methods are making what used to be top-of-the-line (VV) now available in a cheaper disposable package? Man... so many options!
Yes, the EMSCC and DC are opaque...metal. The hold a lot of juice however, and really are light years different from the little .9ml cartos of the cigalike. It's easy to avoid burn hits with them. Just carry a small bottle with a needle tip (and cap) and you can pop off the plastic drip tip (included with the EMSCC) peer inside every few hours and see if the top looks damp. If not...squeeze some juice in using the needle bottle. Fast, neat and very efficient.
I do not like dual coils because...despite trying just about every kind and resistance offered...they all produce burned hits more than I consider acceptable, and they all burn up juice up too fast, and drain the battery faster. That's been my experience. And I see numerous people posting who share that opinion and experience! Single coil , IMHO, produces just as much flavor, vapor and satisfaction as the dual coils claim to do.
I do not like dual coils because...despite trying just about every kind and resistance offered...they all produce burned hits more than I consider acceptable, and they all burn up juice up too fast, and drain the battery faster. That's been my experience. And I see numerous people posting who share that opinion and experience! Single coil , IMHO, produces just as much flavor, vapor and satisfaction as the dual coils claim to do.
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Oh yeah...and you can buy pre-punched cartos for the cartotank just about everywhere cartos are sold. You'd do best to start with those anyway..to get the hang of the hole placement. Punching your own is easy...many vendors sell a little tool for the job that costs around $6. As for size...get a 3.5ml tank and it's the same diameter as the Twist or any eGo....but you will need a Shorty cone. Something you said you didn't want.
Me...I like the cones.
Me...I like the cones.
Hi GaryParr, Welcome to ECF may your stay be a long one 
I started on Greensmoke, the same as you and will be forever grateful to them for me quitting a 43 yr PAD tobacco habit.
I stayed with them for about 1 month before I switched to a KGO with clearomisers.
KGO kit1100mAh by SLB
This worked for me and was not an expensive way to try something bigger. I now have twists and vivi nova tanks that I find are even easier to use and maintain. I still use my KGO's every day with the vivi nova tanks.
Vision Nova Tank Clearomizer V3 Mega
Link to show you what the tanks look like. I also use a thread cover with them to make the setup look nice
Ego Adapter for tanks
Smaller one is for the mini tank the bigger one is for the 3.5ml tank.
Juice was the hardest part for me to sort out, tastes differ so it is hard to recommend any one vendor, I ended up going the DIY way as living at the bottom of the world, everything has to be imported here and this was a way to make sure I always had the juice I needed.
This was just to give you some idea of the way I have progressed through this journey. You will get plenty of advise here on ECF there are so many very helpful people here
I started on Greensmoke, the same as you and will be forever grateful to them for me quitting a 43 yr PAD tobacco habit.
I stayed with them for about 1 month before I switched to a KGO with clearomisers.
KGO kit1100mAh by SLB
This worked for me and was not an expensive way to try something bigger. I now have twists and vivi nova tanks that I find are even easier to use and maintain. I still use my KGO's every day with the vivi nova tanks.
Vision Nova Tank Clearomizer V3 Mega
Link to show you what the tanks look like. I also use a thread cover with them to make the setup look nice
Ego Adapter for tanks
Smaller one is for the mini tank the bigger one is for the 3.5ml tank.
Juice was the hardest part for me to sort out, tastes differ so it is hard to recommend any one vendor, I ended up going the DIY way as living at the bottom of the world, everything has to be imported here and this was a way to make sure I always had the juice I needed.
This was just to give you some idea of the way I have progressed through this journey. You will get plenty of advise here on ECF there are so many very helpful people here
Okay, this will be long. I apologize for typing errors in advance.
Clearos: Cheap, think of them as disposable. "Stardust" is the branded name of a Vision CE4 (a.k.a. Vision eGo) used by gotvapes. I haven't found that much difference between the brand name and clones. They are all inconsistent. I just keep that in mind and buy a couple from whatever vendor I happen to be ordering juice from. I got some "Sunrise" ones (gotta love the riff on Stardust) from ECBlend recently and was surprised to find they worked better than the Stardusts I have...but...that could just be the batch. Currently, Smoke Revolt has CE4 clearos for $2.99: http://www.smokerevolt.com/ce4s If you get some, PM me and I will tell you how to keep them from leaking. Personally, I wouldn't bother with the rebuildable ones. If you want to rebuild, get a nova.
Kanger T3: They get good reviews and I wouldn't mind trying one, but I like cinnamon and that would melt it. (Cinnamon melts clearos and novas too, but I already have enough of those to use for my non-cinnamon vapes). The Kanger isn't like a clearo or a vivi nova. It's a bottom feeding system, which appears (I could be wrong) to use a wicking system closer to that of a carto. Kanger T3 Rebuildable Clearomizer - Clear
Vivi Novas: Are a lot like clearos. The liquid go up the wicks to the atty (In fact, you often have to tip a nova as much as a clearo, in my experience). If you read the threads, it's obvious people love them. They are small, easy to fill and the heads are easy to replace. I'm not that crazy about them. I haven't found the heads to last any longer than clearos, but YMMV. (This is where I got mine, but the price has gone up. I saw the kit somewhere else for about $9.95) Vision Vivi Nova Clearomizer Tank System
Carto/Tanks: Valley View Vapes has polypro and pyrex tanks that are inexpensive and cinnamon friendly. They come with prepunched Boge cartos. Cartos take some practice to get them primed, but there are good videos on how to do it. The only drawbacks I have found with VVV tanks is they're ugly and getting a new carto in and out can be a pain. The grommets are very tight. But they don't leak and are cinnamon friendly. I use one everyday: Triple V Jumbo - 5ml Tank
My favorite tank is from IBTanked. It's the one in the picture. I currently have 3 of them. I knew nothing about tanks, except that I needed one due to the cinnamon, and member Baditude walked me through how to put one together. It was super easy! I got the tank from IBTanked (19mm XL): https://www.ibtanked.com/shop-tanks/clear-tubes/19mm-clear-detail
plus stainless steel caps (cinnamon eats acrylic): https://www.ibtanked.com/caps/sscaps-detail
Then a prepunched cartomizer: Single Coil XL Tank Cartomizer for the SmokTank XL
He also recommended a lovely little tool, unfortunately called a "Slap Yo Mama," which has made refilling and changing the cartos in the glass tanks a breeze! Sadly, it doesn't work with the polypro tank because of the tight grommets. Slap yo Momma Multi-Purpose Adapter - YouTube
I bounce back and forth between tanks of different liquids all day. I only fill the tanks every other day or so, due to the bouncing. Not a bad hit from any of them, until the cartos wear out (as long as you keep them wet). For variety, I have several clearos filled with flavors and one of the novas is full, but I tried it yesterday and it tasted like soap. Whatever. It's ultimately about quitting tobacco.
This is my new toy! To celebrate 100 days smoke free, I got a blown glass drip tip!
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The latest versions of the Stardust style clearos can be taken apart and the wick/coil assembly replaced. Basically it means when it dies you replace the head for about $2.50 rather than buy a whole new clearo. From what I see they're being sold at basically the same price as the earlier versions and I assume most vendors will not replace the older type once their stock is exhausted. You'll know when they're dead, either the coil won't heat, or the wick will get clogged to the point of not working anymore, most likely resulting in a burnt taste.
Sampling in the clearo works if you buy at least 3 or more (preferably 5 or more). Personally I like to sample over a period of days (if not longer) taste a juice, vape it for a few hours, take notes on my feelings on it, then put it away for a few days. Taste is not only subjective, it changes with your environment, mood, etc.... I've had juices where I didn't care for them on the first taste and loved them a couple days later while revisiting them. I've also been filling cartos when I finish a sampler, and putting them away to taste again weeks or months down the road.
OffTopic, seems I replied while you were still typing
You will find a lot of 'mod collectors' on this board. When mod XYZ comes out with a new color, they have to get one. I'm not like that. I got my Provari V2 nearly a year ago. It is the last hardware I've bought. It is the last hardware I'll ever need. I've dropped it on the concrete more times than I can count. When I compare it's serviceable lifespan to all of the eGo's that I've thrown in the trash, it's still a bargain at twice the price. The price of a fully dressed out V2 with the 18650 extension cap and 18650 batteries costs about as much as I spent on death sticks in 6 weeks. It's not so much about what you are spending, it's about what you are getting, and how long it's going to last.
I don't think he was talking about the ego twist. The fixed voltage eGo's are 3.3v. The KGo and the E Power are 3.7. There is a huge flavor difference in that small voltage leap.
I work in a place that would give Mike Rowe nightmares. Everything is concrete or steel. I drop my Provari off my fork lift. 6 foot drop to concrete. Often. About half the time it lands nose down, which rips the carto off it's socket. I unscrew what's left of the carto from the provari, load a new carto.
Provape should be paying me to do their R&D destructive testing.
If you ride a desk all day you should be fine with tanks.
I was referring to the standard eGo which is only 3.4 volts. The Twist, of course is variable which is a better option than the standard ego other than it originally only having a 2.5 amp switch regulator.
I agree that there are no fixed answers. But there are options that cover more bases than others and provide more options. With the under powered ego, you are forced to only use LR attys/cartos unless you like no throat hit. Variable power is always better than underpowered.
By using a variable PV that has boost circuit technology, is regulated and has a switch regulator in the 3.5+ range you are able to use any atty/carto/tank you prefer, set it the way you like it and have much better consistency and less hassle. It's better IMO to eliminate as many weakness as possible in the PV you vape which leads to a better chance of success.
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On these boards, the ProVari people seem to be big fans of their units. I'm new at vaping so I'm going to start with lower cost stuff until I find a need to spend $200 on a vape stick.
The vaping industry is relatively new. As such, there are lots of upgrades and new technology coming out all the time. It is very easy to get lost in the jargon and in the vape-heads who get down to the micro-details. If that is your thing, great, go for it. Some people build their computers from scratch with only the best components, some buy off the shelf. It's all what you want to do with your time. For right now, I just want to stay off analog cigs and my eGo twist with CE5 atomizers seem to be doing quite fine for now.
My breathing and respiratory functions have improved in 2 weeks time and I am much happier not smelling like smoke all the time. It can be tough going out for a cigarette, but it's easy to slip in some vapes whenever you want.
As far as vape-juice, that one is a little broad to really give any input. It all comes down to personal preference and each person has their own thing. Right now, I'm vaping GoodEJuice methol and Dekang NPort. Both of these are satisfying.
I bought some coffee juice and I'm not a fan at all, even though I love coffee. It's thicker and doesn't seem to wick well. Ideally, you'd be able to find a store close to you that sells E-Juice and you could go sample some. While the prices might be 10-20% higher, it seems worth it to know what you are getting and whether you'll like it, before you have a closet full of bottles that don't work for you.
In store help can be very helpful to get your vaping straightened out. Good luck!
The vaping industry is relatively new. As such, there are lots of upgrades and new technology coming out all the time. It is very easy to get lost in the jargon and in the vape-heads who get down to the micro-details. If that is your thing, great, go for it. Some people build their computers from scratch with only the best components, some buy off the shelf. It's all what you want to do with your time. For right now, I just want to stay off analog cigs and my eGo twist with CE5 atomizers seem to be doing quite fine for now.
My breathing and respiratory functions have improved in 2 weeks time and I am much happier not smelling like smoke all the time. It can be tough going out for a cigarette, but it's easy to slip in some vapes whenever you want.
As far as vape-juice, that one is a little broad to really give any input. It all comes down to personal preference and each person has their own thing. Right now, I'm vaping GoodEJuice methol and Dekang NPort. Both of these are satisfying.
I bought some coffee juice and I'm not a fan at all, even though I love coffee. It's thicker and doesn't seem to wick well. Ideally, you'd be able to find a store close to you that sells E-Juice and you could go sample some. While the prices might be 10-20% higher, it seems worth it to know what you are getting and whether you'll like it, before you have a closet full of bottles that don't work for you.
In store help can be very helpful to get your vaping straightened out. Good luck!
I want to thank each and every one of you for the advice you have given. I just placed an order over at Cignot with Vicki for a 1000 mAh twist for at my desk, a 650 mAh C upgrade for out-and-about, 5 Startdust LRs and a whole bunch of 5mL juices to start with. Based on everything I've read and what you all have told me, I believe starting of with the clearos will give me a chance to find some juice I like and then I can start tinkering with the differnet toppers. Most likely I'll try a Kanger T-3, the Mini Nova, something from IBTanked and the EMSCC... though that will all be a few months down the line. After I get into it a while I'll put a Provari on the birthday wish list. As a side note here, I want to say that Vicki at Cignot was wonderful and helped answer a few more pre-purchase questions to ensure I wasn't missing something for my first step into the personal PV world. Again, thanks to all and happy vaping!
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