Legal satus ?

[VIVAP2]

I talked with a Health Canada agent this week who told me that there is no long term study demonstrating this habit has no consequence. (well I'd say to that, we know for sur the adverse effects of smoking tobacco). He also told me that there is no e-cig approved by Health Canada and that they are very well aware about the distribution network on the net. He told me they were under investigation and there could be consequences for unauthorized dealers: stop sales, shut down website, possible legal proceedings. Then he asked me if I wanted to fill a form to place a complaint. I said no.

I guess it's like having an open wood fire in the backward. It is prohibited but alot of people do. It works with complaints?

 

[r4nd0mCh40s]

It is only the Nic that they are going after, look at all the big name stores selling non nic e-cigs, london drugs, canadiantire, theres also gas stations that carry them

 

[Concat]

It is only the Nic that they are going after, look at all the big name stores selling non nic e-cigs, london drugs, canadiantire, theres also gas stations that carry them

This.

Whenever Health Canada talks about e-cigs, their language and ambiguity regarding hardware is very fishy. They seem to constantly suggest they have authority over regulating the hardware. They keep saying "ecigs aren't authorized for sale" when they don't even have the power to regulate them. It's not a Food or Drug product until nicotine enters the picture. Of course, they never explicitly tell anyone this.

It leads to a lot of confusion... hell even CBC doesn't know what the hell is going on.

Moreover, these supposed studies about the long term effects of vaping don't even matter to Health Canada because they can only regulate the nicotine. For example, there are no long term studies about vaping no-nic juice, but it's not even needed cause Health Canada has no say in the matter! But because nicotine enters the picture, THEN they need studies. Cause nicotine magically changes the inert properties of PG and common flavorings, amirite?

 

[r4nd0mCh40s]

And of course we are vaping a higher dosage of nic then what is allowed in a "quit smoking" type of product 2mg-4mg where we vape from 0-24+(in some cases)


but I find it funny how sometimes they stop hardware from crossing the borders, there are stores here where i live, and abroad that sell drug paraphernalia like pipes, bongs and such, but they do not get slack like we do

 

[Concat]

And of course we are vaping a higher dosage of nic then what is allowed in a "quit smoking" type of product 2mg-4mg where we vape from 0-24+(in some cases)

Well, it's all about "dosage." 1 mL of ejuice is quite a bit more than one dose. I mean, no doubt I've chained vaped away 1 mL before... but what's stopping someone from "chain chewing" nicorette all day?

 

[r4nd0mCh40s]

Well, it's all about "dosage." 1 mL of ejuice is quite a bit more than one dose. I mean, no doubt I've chained vaped away 1 mL before... but what's stopping someone from "chain chewing" nicorette all day?

I read somewhere online i think it was a research website, that on a normal analog wich is like 12mg i believe of nic, inhaled through the 5liters of air in our lungs, gets cut down quite a bit, and what actually goes into our blood stream is like .4mg of nic enough for our brains to be happy

 

[CityLights]

They are asking for complaints so they can reference them in court someday. So whats the number to get these complaint forms? Anyone have one they could upload in .pdf form?

If we the happy consumers all start to submit complaints using their forms stating how Health Canada is negatively interfering with our choice to the lesser of evils, and how switching to vape has had a marked positive impact on our lives and our families lives, the vendors could later request a FOI for generating stats for their defense. It is a consumer driven marketplace after all and Health Canada's approach is Biased. So lets go piss in their pool!! Health Canada should act accordingly for the tax payers and not from a position of racketeering for the makers of Nicorette.

In all honesty, as a addict of analog cigarettes who has failed with the accepted quit methods currently backed by Health Canada, I would have continued to smoke cigarettes until the day I died. Our seasoned physicians have all seen a percentage of patients continue to smoke while dieing of Cancer or smoking related diseases.

Until Health Canada can prove unequivocally that e-cigs and vaping does more harm than cigarettes I would consider any interfering actions taken by Health Canada with my personal acquisition of the necessities to stay off Tobacco Cigarettes, a Human Rights Violation and a threat to my persons.

 

[VIVAP2]

The agent gave me by e-mail a ton of legale links and information (in french though). It is, of course, available in english.

Si vous avez des plaintes relatives aux cigarettes électroniques peuvent être transmises à l'Inspectorat de la Direction générale des produits de santé et des aliments par téléphone au numéro sans frais 1-800-267-9675, ou par écrit à l'adresse suivante :
Health Canada - This page has moved


I am not sure it is a good idea to fill out a complaint though untill we get well organized. I'll take a look at it.
I can forward the whole infomation by e-mail to whoever would like to consult it. It is in french...

 

[Shany]

It should give you the adress for poeple that are happy with e-cig

 

[nuclearbroccoli]

The agent gave me by e-mail a ton of legale links and information (in french though). It is, of course, available in english.

Si vous avez des plaintes relatives aux cigarettes électroniques peuvent être transmises à l'Inspectorat de la Direction générale des produits de santé et des aliments par téléphone au numéro sans frais 1-800-267-9675, ou par écrit à l'adresse suivante :
Health Canada - This page has moved


I am not sure it is a good idea to fill out a complaint though untill we get well organized. I'll take a look at it.
I can forward the whole infomation by e-mail to whoever would like to consult it. It is in french...

Organization is definitely the key here. In all seriousness, does anyone have any ideas? CASAA, is great, but they tend to focus on the US as opposed to Canada. Do we need something like a Canadian wing?

 

[Kams Cats]

It should give you the adress for poeple that are happy with e-cig

They don't want to hear that. They have closed their minds and it doesn't matter what studies there are, they plan on shutting it down.

 

[Shany]

I know I was just joking lol