So . . . I heard that e-cigs are to be treated exactly the same as cigarettes i.e. you have to be so many feet away from a building, etc. Absolutely not indoors. Is this still the case? If it is, what counties outside of King could I drive to to enjoy my vaping experience indoors?
Legality of Vaping Indoors in King County
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Don't know what the rules are in Washington but, I've never had trouble vaping anywhere including indoors in NY state and Disney World. If you act ashamed of it and look nervous, expect to have trouble. Do it with no shame like you couldn't imagine anyone having a problem with it and you'll get a lot more positive response. You'll also do better in public if what you're using has little resemblance to a cigarette. That goes against everyone's intuition but, it's true.
In Pierce County, vaping is legal in locations not open to minors (specifically, bars and vape shops). I haven't heard one way or the other about Snohomish County.
I still don't see why people feel the need to vape in stores. I can understand a bar or something where you might be in there for hours, but if you're just doing a bit of shopping I don't see the need. You got by just fine not being able to smoke in places so I don't see how it's any different than vaping.
Depends on how long you're going to be there. What's a "bit of shopping"? 15 minutes? an hour? Two hours?
Why shouldn't I vape? Because I "got by" without smoking? You used to be able to smoke in stores and no one objected when it was outlawed because even smokers understood that it was offensive to others. What is offensive to others about my vaping? They don't like the look of it? It "looks like" I'm smoking? Sorry, that's not good enough and it's one reason I don't vape an analog look-alike. I don't like the look of their kids cuz they look like hoodlums. I don't like their stupid electric shopping scooters, blue hair or their cheap polyester pantsuits. I don't like the perfume they soaked themselves in. Do I get to tell them not to offend my sense of aesthetics?
Bottom line: If you act like you're smoking, expect to be treated like a smoker.
You can vape in every other county in the state...as long as the establishment allows it. I vape in bars in Snohomish county all the time. In king county, it is illegal, but in my experience most people dont know that, and most people dont care. There are several places that i frequently vape in within King county, and the employees are cool with it. If you are going to be near tacoma, stop by the vaporium and say hi. They have a lot of flavors you can sample, and they are really nice folks.
I don't go on hour + long shopping trips, but if i were at a mall for that long, i could easily vape without bringing attention to it. I dont usually vape in stores, but i do in coffee shops, some restaraunts, and most all bars i go to. The trick is to not make a big deal out of it. Don't blow huge clouds of vapor, and be tactful about it.
I don't go on hour + long shopping trips, but if i were at a mall for that long, i could easily vape without bringing attention to it. I dont usually vape in stores, but i do in coffee shops, some restaraunts, and most all bars i go to. The trick is to not make a big deal out of it. Don't blow huge clouds of vapor, and be tactful about it.
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I know, what if we all called it " Water tooting " hahahahah,,, then we wouldnt be Smoking, wouldn't be Vaping,,, We All Would Be Water Tooting 
now the dumb azz kids with the Blue hair, the ones wearing the polyester pant suits, and the stinky perfume wearing old lady, along with her husband that had the foulest body oder in the store all couldnt say a darn thing, and if they did we could just say, Hay Where only Water Tooting Here, you with the blue hair, dude with the polyester pant suit, lady with the loud azz perfume, and guy with the offensive Body odor all get the hell out of here because I protest against what all of you are doing and if you dont leave I'm gonna blow my water toot at all of you now scram or get Water Tooted 
now the dumb azz kids with the Blue hair, the ones wearing the polyester pant suits, and the stinky perfume wearing old lady, along with her husband that had the foulest body oder in the store all couldnt say a darn thing, and if they did we could just say, Hay Where only Water Tooting Here, you with the blue hair, dude with the polyester pant suit, lady with the loud azz perfume, and guy with the offensive Body odor all get the hell out of here because I protest against what all of you are doing and if you dont leave I'm gonna blow my water toot at all of you now scram or get Water Tooted 
I vape, but I don't want to breathe your vapor any more than I wanted to breathe your smoke when I was smoking. It still has a smell (you may like it, I may not), and it still has nicotine in it. If I had kids, I would damn well protest you putting nicotine in the air around them. No one wants to breathe your vapor, no matter how safe you think it is for everyone else.
Uncourteous smokers helped bring the hammer down on smoking, and it will be uncourteous vapers who help bring the hammer down on vaping too. Keep rubbing the public's face into "But it's not smoking, man". Let's see how that ends for us.
Yeah that's the part that stops me from pulling it out and taking a drag in shops etc.
I'm a vaper and even I just don't feel right introducing something to the air that doesn't need to be there, or isn't normally expected to be there, much less stand near someone else doing it.
It's silly, I know. It's not as bad as farting in an elevator, but I'd still feel a small sense of violation. It's hard to explain, but those that know what I mean will know what I mean.
I'll stealth vape in public. I only feel comfortable vaping outdoors and I will vape in outdoor areas where smoking is banned (and there are many now) and have never had an issue.
I guess its a case of choosing your battles so to speak. Even though the offense these people experience is only perceived and not actually real, I'm already on the back foot. I've found hanging out with the smokers while having a good vape session gets me genuine curiosity and interest from people that can benefit from learning about them. And better yet, the lesson was given not as a justification or a defense, but at their request.
It's just so much better for me this way.
It is a shame that some People feel that they Should, or Can’t go an Hour or Two, and vape in places where Smoking is not Allowed.
I can think of Nothing that Helps the Anti e-Cigarette Crowd more in their Crusade to Ban e-Cigarettes.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not an a**hole, I'm not going around puffing like a Chimney in the ICU. I actually feel a bit . . . not quite right with just walking around chain vaping. However, I've been accosted before ducking into parking garages to get out of the wind/rain. I also am so hooked on the nicotine that a long movie gets uncomfortable.
I also don't want to go around breaking a (decidedly silly) law for no justifiable reason.
Thanks all, this clears it up for me.
I also don't want to go around breaking a (decidedly silly) law for no justifiable reason.
Thanks all, this clears it up for me.
I just follow the same rules/laws as smoking, but I will vape in my house, never smoked in it.
There's no risk or danger to others from your vaping: no smoke, no appreciable nicotine, etc. But you still have to use common courtesy. I will certainly vape in any public area unless I'm told I can't. However, I won't vape where it would bother others, like standing in line or something. After all, you wouldn't spray someone in the face with a water pistol and then claim it's ok because it's only water.
So would you object to people drinking coffee around your kids because there's cafiene in the steam? It's about the same level of exposure and about the same level of harm.
My rules are outside anywhere I just vape. In a bar I just vape. In a restaurant I usually ask but, not always. I've never been turned down. I don't vape in stores much. If I was in one long enough, I probably would but, I'm not much of a shopper.
Really, if someone objected, I would go somewhere else but, that's not what happens. I've gotten a few curious looks but, never hostile. The only comments have been from people that find them intriguing and want to know more. It's actually a good ice breaker. Use an 808 with a red LED and sneak around and you'll probably get a different reaction but, in public I'm usually using a Reo mini that has no resemblance to a cigarette.
I have to disagree. The knee jerk reaction without actually seeing it is to think that vaping is just as offensive as smoking. However, the more people are exposed to it, the more they know that's hogwash. The only way there won't be a ban is if people see it's different. That won't happen if they never encounter it.
Inhaling something that somebody else exhaled is an unavoidable consequence of sharing airspace with other human beings. Considering all the various virii, germs, bacteria and whatnot that lives in peoples' mouth...wouldn't you feel MORE comfortable breathing around someone who was exhaling a very tiny amount (less than a teaspoon per DAY) of germicidal propylene glycol than somebody who was, say, using some other smoke-free tobacco or medical nicotine product?
Agreed. Courtesy is key. That doesn't mean we need to hide in dark alleys huddled around a burning cigarette or trashcan in order to pretend to smoke. It's simple: Just don't be a d-bag about the fact that you can discretely vape anywhere you want and there really isn't much of anything that anyone can do to stop you from doing something that does not involve FIRE or SMOKE any more than they can stop you from chewing bubblegum: Sometimes it is inappropriate to draw attention to yourself with giant bubbles or clouds of visible vapor, but that doesn't mean you can't vape* or chew gum* pretty much anywhere you want.
*With or without nicotine. Nicotine is the primary cause of addiction to tobacco, but it is not the primary cause of any other tobacco-related disease. There is no evidence that anyone can develop an addiction to nicotine from secondhand smoke, the potential danger of SHS is the carcinogen-laden bits of sticky particles of burnt tobacco called "tar" that can cling to surfaces or lung tissue of users as well as bystanders. E-cigarettes don't burn anything, so there's no tar or carbon monoxide or any other product of combustion to possibly harm bystanders. Propylene Glycol is a proven safe and effective germicide: Medicine: Air Germicide - TIME
Members can make all the Arguments about Doing this or Doing that or whether things are Right or Wrong when it comes to Vaping where Smoking is Not Allowed.
But the Hard Core Reality is we just Don’t live in a Society where an Extremely Small Minority of the Population can Inhale Something and then Exhale it in a Non-Smoking Area and then Expect it to be Positively Received.
It’s not Really Even Debatable. It just Kinda the Way It Is.
But the Hard Core Reality is we just Don’t live in a Society where an Extremely Small Minority of the Population can Inhale Something and then Exhale it in a Non-Smoking Area and then Expect it to be Positively Received.
It’s not Really Even Debatable. It just Kinda the Way It Is.
That's called breathing. People aren't allowed to breathe?
Are you sure that the reason for smoking bans isn't because people are inhaling and exhaling air that may contain a microscopic amount of nicotine (just like they would if they are using smokeless tobacco, medicinal nicotine, or even just eating vegetables that contain nicotine), but because they are lighting something on FIRE that produces SMOKE?
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If the reason for a Indoor Smoking ban is because there is Microscopic Amounts of Nicotine Exhaled, why wouldn’t a Indoor Ban Include e-Cigarettes?
Because there is Nicotine Exhaled when you use an e-Cigarette.
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