Less nicotine from vaping?

[Rarebird]

I was given some misinformation from a state agency (who told me there was one mg. of nicotine in a Marlboro Red) and as a result have been laboring under the impression that I was getting way more nicotine from vaping than I had been from smoking. Now, I read that there is 12 mg. of nicotine in a Marlboro, and that you absorb about one mg. from smoking one.

This brought to mind a few questions. I was a two pack-a-day smoker and I use the 24 mg. e-juice. Turns out a milliliter of my juice is equal to about two cigarettes. There is no way I use a milliliter an hour. I use a Nebox set to 20 watts with Kanthal A-1 coils in the RBA, and a Cupti with SS coils set on 400-450 watts, depending on my mood. If I am going through approx. 5 milliliters of juice a day that is only half a pack of cigarettes. In addition, from what I've read, you absorb more nicotine from cigarettes because of the particulates which adhere to the inside of your lungs.

Also, from what I've read, there are other addictive chemicals in cigarettes. I thought this was why I crave cigarettes so much, but now I'm thinking, well, if I vape 5 ml. a day, I'm getting way less nicotine. Add to this the recent change in my preferred e-juice site, MBV, such that they are no longer offering 24 mg. nicotine e-juice, and I am wondering if I should go DIY for my juices so that I can up the nicotine levels.

Any thought? TIA for your replies!

 

[Fozzy71]

I can't speak to the first 2 paragraphs so hopefully someone else will but you should definitely go DIY to be able to easily control the amount of nicotine (whether up or down) in your juice. The biggest reason to go DIY is cost. I can make a 3mg/30ml bottle for $0.50 - $2 depending on how many flavors it has versus the $10 - $15 retail cost I used to pay for the same amount.

 

[sofarsogood]

I was given some misinformation from a state agency (who told me there was one mg. of nicotine in a Marlboro Red) and as a result have been laboring under the impression that I was getting way more nicotine from vaping than I had been from smoking. Now, I read that there is 12 mg. of nicotine in a Marlboro, and that you absorb about one mg. from smoking one.

This brought to mind a few questions. I was a two pack-a-day smoker and I use the 24 mg. e-juice. Turns out a milliliter of my juice is equal to about two cigarettes. There is no way I use a milliliter an hour. I use a Nebox set to 20 watts with Kanthal A-1 coils in the RBA, and a Cupti with SS coils set on 400-450 watts, depending on my mood. If I am going through approx. 5 milliliters of juice a day that is only half a pack of cigarettes. In addition, from what I've read, you absorb more nicotine from cigarettes because of the particulates which adhere to the inside of your lungs.

Also, from what I've read, there are other addictive chemicals in cigarettes. I thought this was why I crave cigarettes so much, but now I'm thinking, well, if I vape 5 ml. a day, I'm getting way less nicotine. Add to this the recent change in my preferred e-juice site, MBV, such that they are no longer offering 24 mg. nicotine e-juice, and I am wondering if I should go DIY for my juices so that I can up the nicotine levels.

Any thought? TIA for your replies!

Perhaps the unburned tobacco leaves have 12mg of nic. The information I trust is there is 1mg of nic in the smoke from one cigarette which means I was exposed to 25mg of nic per day when I smoked. Today I vape 7 ml x 10 mg of nic = 70 mg of nic per day. I'm certain there is more nic in my system than when I smoked. May be not 3 times more. I'm not worred about nic. If I was going to reduce something it would be the 7 ml per day. I'd rather be doing half that and lately it appears I'm doing more like 6 ml per day without being conscious about it so may be it's trending down.

 

[sawlight]

There's so much misconception and misinformation it's pathetic!
Forget everything you've read and just do what works for you!
I've seen 1/2 pad smokers need 24mg and 2 pad smokers gag on 6mg!
People smoke differently, people vape differently, you absorb nic differently.
You were on 2 pad of Red's, I'd have said 24-36mg juice back when, now with sub ohm being the norm, 16-12mg would be the norm.
But none of that really means anything, and means nothing if it's not working!
So forget the math, don't try to sort it out and understand it, just find what works, be happy and vape on!

 

[Rarebird]

Just for clarity, let me add that I didn't smoke Reds. That was the information I got on the nicotine content in cigarettes. I smoked 100's, little cigars because those are so much cheaper here in Texas due to different taxation for cigars than cigarettes.

 

[djsvapour]

5 (ml) times 24mg = 120mg before you vape it.
The amount you get seems to be an approximate science but we can guess (from people's experience) it's nearer 1/4 than 1/2. Personally I'd just call it 33% and not worry beyond that.

33% of 120mg is 40mg.
and how much were you getting from smoking?...about 40mg.

You are a perfect example of the 33% theory.

Nobody likes this theory despite being surprisingly reliable.
Regardless, one ml of 24mg is not the equivalent of two cigarettes.

 

[mcclintock]

Seems to me it would make more sense to set your nicotine concentration by how strong what you smoked was, and how much total by how much you vape. Those that smoked more, vape more.

12 mg is a solid throat hit even with low output hardware. 24 is intense. I was trying some 11 mg recently through a little MTL dripper, felt like pepper without tasting like pepper.

 

[daviedog]

Cigarette is the ultimate nico delivery system. Due to the large molecule in an aerosol around 20% is absorbed & in the bloodstream..
This data is here at ECF,, Rolygate 2013..

 

[Grimwald]

This has been talked about off and on for the four years I've been on ECF. Seems to me that there is really no way to measure nicotine absorption or compare a cigarette with a vaporizer. Because:

1. Smoke particles are smaller than vapor particles.
2. Much of the nicotine from cigarettes goes up in smoke between puffs, so it really depends on how often you puff.
3. there doesn't appear to be any way to measure the exact amount of nicotine in the blood stream. Standard tests measure cotinine.
4. Everyone seems to metabolize nicotine differently.

 

[daviedog]

This has been talked about off and on for the four years I've been on ECF. Seems to me that there is really no way to measure nicotine absorption or compare a cigarette with a vaporizer. Because:

1. Smoke particles are smaller than vapor particles.
2. Much of the nicotine from cigarettes goes up in smoke between puffs, so it really depends on how often you puff.
3. there doesn't appear to be any way to measure the exact amount of nicotine in the blood stream. Standard tests measure cotinine.
4. Everyone seems to metabolize nicotine differently.

#3 measured 30 minutes after ingestion by a blood sample,, in Pico liters. Dovetails with cotinines in urine..

 

[mcclintock]

There's a study in a Youtube video I saw that showed that only vapers using their own equipment were able to approach the nicotine level of smokers. The peak wasn't as high but was more sustained. Those using the supplied equipment (???) only reached half or less than that.

 

[Kickingthesticks]

cut back if you can but use what satisfy you. started out with 36mg now im down to about 12 still only using 2ml a day, i do miss the throat hit tough but menthol helps with that. never did try to do the math everyone seems to have their own opinion on how much a nic is in a cig. but remember not everyone smokes the same to. ive seen guys who just light up one after another but didnt puff as much. i was one of those dudes who light a cig and wouldnt breath until it was done lol.

 

[Rarebird]

Thank you all for your informative and thoughtful responses. I see I was misconceived in my original post. It has become clear to me that there is a ton of grey area in the subject of how much nicotine is delivered from vape. I imagine stealth vapers or people who generally hold their vape in longer will receive a lot more nicotine per ml. Also, the differences between the plethora of vape devices available, and other factors.

Also, sorry about the redundant thread. In my enthusiasm I plainly forgot to search the forums first.

 

[djsvapour]

Thank you all for your informative and thoughtful responses. I see I was misconceived in my original post. It has become clear to me that there is a ton of grey area in the subject of how much nicotine is delivered from vape. I imagine stealth vapers or people who generally hold their vape in longer will receive a lot more nicotine per ml. Also, the differences between the plethora of vape devices available, and other factors.

Also, sorry about the redundant thread. In my enthusiasm I plainly forgot to search the forums first.

It's always a good discussion.
Ultimately, if you stay off the smokes you are winning!
Once vaping full-time and committed to staying that way, reducing your nicotine is a choice.

 

[Rymesis]

From what I've seen, Nicotine isn't really the devil they make it out to be.
The Tar and other ingredients in Cigarettes are more of what harms you, so I wouldn't be too hung up on the nicotine levels, just use what works for you.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Cigarette is the ultimate nico delivery system. Due to the large molecule in an aerosol around 20% is absorbed & in the bloodstream..
This data is here at ECF,, Rolygate 2013..

Let's forget about this misinformation forever. There are no "large molecules", it's all ... (censored). It looks like vaping is much more effective in nicotine delivery.

 

[sawlight]

From what I've seen, Nicotine isn't really the devil they make it out to be.
The Tar and other ingredients in Cigarettes are more of what harms you, so I wouldn't be too hung up on the nicotine levels, just use what works for you.

You are correct, in modern medicine nicotine is used in many way for different things.
You are also correct that it's not the main ingredient in cigs that causes that addiction.
I have a theory, with absolutely no proof so consider this as total BS, that the main thing we get addicted to is the carbon monoxide rush from a cig. But I'm not a scientist, I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn, and I've no way to test, much less prove this theory.

 

[smacksy]

I might add I was a 2 pad smoker for over 20 yrs..I stated MTL 5 yrs ago with a Provari/protank with 24mgs of nicotine in my juice.. But as my learning curve improved with more efficient delivery systems (mechanical mods and RDA's) I dropped down to 6mgs, and today using high-powered 200w VW mods and the newer awesome subtanks I've dropped down again to only 2.5mgs, and still get my acquired nicotine addition completely satisfied in 2-3 cloud blowin lung hits... Didn't take anybody to tell me I didn't need alot of nicotine as technology greatly improved with better nicotine delivery systems... Just my 2¢,

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[daviedog]

Let's forget about this misinformation forever. There are no "large molecules", it's all ... (censored). It looks like vaping is much more effective in nicotine delivery.

Carbohydrates, proteins polypeptides, plastics are very large molecules..

 

[Alien Traveler]

Carbohydrates, proteins polypeptides, plastics are very large molecules..

Plastics in vapor? Anyway, lungs passages are big enough for any molecule (for as long as it not a big polymer chain, but nobody would vape polymers)