Let it Steep? If I'm ordering from a vendor I don't feel I should have to do their job for them!

[MagicMike]

Do you really expect them to make a thousand batches of juice to keep on hand, steeped and ready to go at all times? What if only half of them are even purchased and they end up loosing a bunch of money.

Yes I do* and the winner of this game will. I can purchase 10ml juice bottled delivered to my door at quantity 3k for less than 75 cents a bottle. The cost of these materials that have a 1 year shelf life vs the profit when they are shipped out the door is NIL. The materials on a large industrial scale are NOTHING. Perhaps as low a 1 cent a ml.

This is the old 6 dollar tube of toothpaste thing, 18 cents worth of product, 4 dollars worth of advertising and one dollar of retail profit.

* there are already overseas companies doing it, I would just like to see some US vendors step up to the plate.

MM

 

[MagicMike]

mount baker Vapor (is this the vendor you have a beef with?)

I've only heard good things about these folks, I don't have a beef with anyone in particular. This is a general comment about the eJuice industry in the USA. After more 'thinking' I believe it's due to the over regulation in the USA, god knows that if that wasn't the case then there would be dozens of venture capitalists beating down the door of Alice in Vapeland to help them deliver their same great product with same day shipping. I'm quite certain they would like to take orders more than 8 hours a week and given proper investment I'm certain they could deliver their product in quantity!

MM

 

[KraKsX]

Yes I do* and the winner of this game will. I can purchase 10ml juice bottled delivered to my door at quantity 3k for less than 75 cents a bottle. The cost of these materials that have a 1 year shelf life vs the profit when they are shipped out the door is NIL. The materials on a large industrial scale are NOTHING. Perhaps as low a 1 cent a ml.

This is the old 6 dollar tube of toothpaste thing, 18 cents worth of product, 4 dollars worth of advertising and one dollar of retail profit.

* there are already overseas companies doing it, I would just like to see some US vendors step up to the plate.

MM

SO BUY FROM THOSE WHO DO 'PRE STEEP'

most want fresh, so most USA vendors make fresh

*and to add to your presteep list that was GIVEN to you, include GotVapes.com Juice*

End of story, close thread

 

[MagicMike]

End of story, close thread

Clearly the industry is so mature that they can ignore constructive criticism, continue to operate in their kitchens, fly under the radar of Obama's FDA or win court case after court case VS a legal team funded by their very own wallets? Yes, please close this thread as the USA vendors obviously have nothing to learn from the ISO certified labs around the world.

MM

 

[GunnyGlow]

Please, just keep buying your prized Dekang juice that doesn't need steeping, is cheap, and produced in an environment you feel comfortable with.

Leave the US made "bathtub juice" to the rest of us. We obviously don't mind steeping.

K.I.S.S. right?


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[PLANofMAN]

Wow you are ignorant. It is the U.S. blenders, the "kitchen" manufacturers that you seem to despise, that have formed a coalition to regulate themselves before the FDA steps in. They operate as though they are already under FDA regulation, sending their liquids in to be tested for purity and holding each other accountable.

You want the McDonald's experience. Instant ejuices. That's fine. Order your stuff from China, or limit yourself to Chinese juices or the vendors mentioned above.

I personally would rather have the home cooked meal experience. Even if I do have to wait for it to come out of the oven, in a manner of speaking.

 

[MagicMike]

Yes, please close this thread as the USA vendors obviously have nothing to learn from the ISO certified labs around the world.

Does anyone realize that eJuice can contain stuff that can possible kill you long term, even if it wasn't intentionally introduced by their vendor? While I'm totally against regulation, I would feel a whole hell of a lot better if the vendors were a whole lot better in their transparency. ISO standards are about having procedures that are replicable in a documented fashion, I see nothing on ANY eJuice manufactures websites about that standards and practices, pictures of their clean room environments, manufactures statements of origins of their materials, etc, etc.

I have yet to see a single vendor be 'authorized' by their own trade association last time I'd checked.

MM

 

[StormFinch]

Just because I'm curious, do you also get upset because the microwave heats too slow?

 

[MagicMike]

Please, just keep buying your prized Dekang juice that doesn't need steeping, is cheap, and produced in an environment you feel comfortable with.

Wow you are ignorant. It is the U.S. blenders, the "kitchen" manufacturers that you seem to despise,

Ah, I think you missed the point of the post and clearly didn't read all of my comments. I despise no one, my favorite juices are from USA vendors, I was merely pointing out the fact that mainstream adoption of any technology requires it to be easy to use.. Something that big tobacco has going for it.

IF a vendor sells a product that requires steeping, that's fine. But it should be clearly stated as such on their product page. Better yet, they should invest 3 bucks create a few extra ml's and pre-steep it for us.

Your (I didn't vote for him) current government is not going to allow 'self regulation' this is the nanny state in action and you best learn how to hire an attorney/lobbyist or go underground

Don't worry your government is watching out for you cradle to grave, unfortunately what happens in the middle does affect us personally.

MM

 

[KraKsX]

You have already been given a list if USA juice that are pre-steep'ed... Why are you still complaining?

Have a real conversation, and quit spewing BS

Some vendors offer one way some offer another

 

[GunnyGlow]

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[MagicMike]

Just because I'm curious, do you also get upset because the microwave heats too slow?

Funny my favorite teacher Mr. Parsons (physics/chemistry), said he might purchase a microwave since it's been out for 10 years now (1982). He explained that aspirin was invented in the 1890's and they are just figure out what it really does. Before he was a teacher he worked for a big pham company trying to add a molecule here or there in order to create drugs that worked while getting around patents.

So I guess the moral of this last post for tonight is just because were trying to get around analog cigs, doesn't mean that we won't find something out down the road. I'm an informed consumer, however it's quite frustrating, that our vendors are not treating us with respect.

If you purchase a bottle of Heinz ketchup from John Kerry's wife, at least you can read the list of ingredients on the side.

MM

 

[Thompson]

Up until you get to artificial and/or natural flavoring. Good luck on finding the true ingredients of those in any of these major brands.

I dunno, I don't think its a big deal. They see no incentive, as people keep buying 'unsteeped' liquid. Maybe I'm lucky, but I've not bought one juice that absolutely required steeping to be vapeable, it only improved with age.

I'm looking at it from a 'wine stance.' Sure you could buy a nice recent bottle of wine and enjoy it immediately. Or you could properly store it and let it age, mix, and whatever other general effects time (and for the most part, only time) will have. Can apply this to many, many things we consume.

Now I don't think it would hurt to add steeping information on a flavor basis, from the mixers personal experience. That does seem logical.

Ahlusion's aromatic's don't need steeping for the most part, but registration is limited (or at least was). They are some of the best tobacco liquids I've found. Guess it does go to show that even highly complex liquids won't require it if mixed appropriately.

 

[MagicMike]

Have a real conversation, and quit spewing BS

Thank you for your thoughtful comments, I will take them to heart and attempt to better myself, my posts, my comments and my life from here forward. I believed I'd actually posted 'paragraphs of real thoughtful information'. As the founder and CEO of a successful ecommerce company still in business after nearly 20 years, I didn't realize I'd been spewing BS all these years, but now I know.

Thank you
MM

 

[PLANofMAN]

Ever notice how everyone is a manager or CEO online...how no one claims to be a resident burger flipper at the local McD's? Well, as the mayor of Whoville, I now pronounce you free to live your life in any way that see fit.

 

[Caridwen]

Every thread here isn't going to turn into a political debate.