lets achieve the 10,000 goal for petition

[moose88]

lets achieve the 10,000 goal for petition This can be easily done with a little hard work and commitment, which should come easy to you vapur lovers out their! all it takes is around 10 minutes of your time, the goal is to have achieved the 10,000 mark by 18th/May/2009

the sooner we reach the 10,000 mark on our petition the better. Ours is the only combined effort to do something against the FDA in the ecig industry. so lets join forces and make it count the easiest way to get thousands of people to sign up in a matter of days is to spam youtube (technically its not spamming, its just informing)

so go to youtube, and search for any video that is relevant to this petition
type in things like
-FDA
-ecig
-Ecigarette
-FDA ban
-smoke 51
-ruyan
etc etc be creative

and in the comment box type in something along these lines (copy and paste to save time)
"HEY GUYS, the government body FDA is soon banning this product in the USA unfairly, because they know that they will get less taxes from real cigarettes. this is unfair and goes against the american constitution! please please please go to Google and type in "electric cigarette petition" and click the first link. every vote counts, we have the right to quit cigarettes and save our health!!!even if your from the UK or Canada because they will copy USA. please copy and paste this//"

something along those lines, remember you cannot include links or else it wont post, so you have to say "go to google and type in electric cigarette petition" also, at the end of your post, say "please copy and paste this" so more and more people will do it.

collectively the top 10 ecig videos on youtube have more then 1.5 million views, so getting around 5 thousand people to sign the petition in a few days should be a piece of cake!

the second method, takes a bit longer, bit is very effective,
what people need to understand is, that this is a numbers game. 10,000 people signing a petition is stronger then 50 people sending letters to their state councellers (although they both should be done so as to compliment each other and make the case stronger)

anyways heres the method... go to google, and type in "electric cigarettes" then visit the first 3-5 websites, and email or contact each of these top websites with the following:

-explain to them, that the FDA are in the process of banning this product from being sold in the US, and large shipments of ecigs are being held in US customs (not sure if they are actually being banned but the second bit is a fact)
-explain to them that the only way to battle this is to get a petition signed to get the product properly tested.
-explain to them how their company is going to lose money because the number of wholesalers for this product in the USA are dwindeling. if the company is not in the US then explain how your country will soon follow America because the FDA is a globally respected organisation.
- then offer them the solution, ask them to place a link on their homepage to the petition website: edit: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/kee...ttes-available

OK now the reason that this is effective is because just in the month of April a total of 110,000 people search for electric cigarettes in Google, and once they did the search the chances are that they clicked one of the top results, so if one of the top websites has a banner saying "please sign this petition" then we could potentially have around another 100,000 signatures on the petition IN ONLY ONE MONTH!!!.

now this will take around 10 minutes of your time, and we need around 5-10 of our forum members to do this to be effective.

ps please sticky this, i really want to achieve this.

PS thanks to JT123abn for putting the link to the petition on his blog! to see the blog and the petition notice see:E-Cigarette Reviews

edit: thanks "SteveJo" for this suggestion::: 'go to digg and search for 'electronic cigarette' -- find a positive story and digg it.

Just clicking that little 'digg' button when you find a story that sheds a positive light on us (even despite all the ignorant comments) gets these stories attention and gets them read' also comment on the digg page, and provide link to the Petition website

 

[lbctsolutions]

I have convinced 2 converts I know to sign this and join up here so hopefully they will do at least the petition ASAP.

I am currently in the process of convincing my girlfriends father (40-60 a day smoker) to convert for health benefits.

to be fair though I am honest before anybody thinks I am out there touting this as a healthy way to smoke - no I am not.

what is everyones approach to preaching these?

mine is simple.. tell them we do not know the long term effects but and it is a big but, while this is somewhat important overall, I personally could not care any less, as I know the long term effects of 40 analogs a day is almost certain death riving in agony, so I will take my chances and I already feel LOADS better for it.

then on to the good bit - they taste how you want them to taste, experimenting for me at least seems to be great fun, and they produce equal amount of 'smoke' and 'throat hit' and you'd be silly not to to be honest!

come one come all let's sign this petition and post up information regarding it targetting those who may not have heard of it or that are not aware that the petition exists yet e smoke regardless!

awareness could play a huge role in preventing agencies banning this stuff!

 

[moose88]

thanks ps you can sign the petition a few times, for different members of your household. e.g. brother sister mother father.

 

[mr_vapor]

Just got my girlfriend to sign! She does not own a e-cig but took a puff of off mine and "gets it".

 

[mr_vapor]

Maybe for long term vapors they can send a link to there close contacts and explain how it is saving there life, etc. Probably a lot of people would be supportive about that and sign. 10,000 would be so sweet!

 

[lbctsolutions]

good idea. requests kindly sent.

 

[dijohn76]

Maybe for long term vapors they can send a link to there close contacts and explain how it is saving there life, etc. Probably a lot of people would be supportive about that and sign. 10,000 would be so sweet!

I did that Sunday, sent email w/request to sign petition to everyone in my address book. Received a great response from all family and friends

 

[MoonMan]

thanks ps you can sign the petition a few times, for different members of your household. e.g. brother sister mother father.

Which is one of the several reasons e-petitions don't work. You can forge the signatures, thereby making it invalid. People in power don't take these seriously.

Don't put ANY faith in an e-petition. If you want to be heard, write a letter to people who matter. Change may come, but it won't be because of what amounts to an anonymous spam email.

 

[palermo45]

I am personally extremely dissapointed that we have not reached a meesly 10,000 signatures as of yet. If we really care about our products, we should get all the people we personally know to take 5 minutes, fill out the petition and submit it. If we can not even produce 10K signatures in 2 months, it makes us look weak!!!

Lets reach 10K in the next few days!!!!!

 

[MoonMan]

I am personally extremely dissapointed that we have not reached a meesly 10,000 signatures as of yet. If we really care about our products, we should get all the people we personally know to take 5 minutes, fill out the petition and submit it. If we can not even produce 10K signatures in 2 months, it makes us look weak!!!

Lets reach 10K in the next few days!!!!!

No, if you really care about your product - WRITE A PHYSICAL LETTER to those who matter.

E-petitions DO NOT WORK, they never have. There's no point in bothering with it. I'm not going to waste my time or other people's time getting involved with one.

Organizing a letter writing campaign is a far better use of time and resources. Why do people not understand this? I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but this annoying trend of people thinking e-petitions make ANY difference at all has to STOP.

WRITE A LETTER IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

 

[moose88]

No, if you really care about your product - WRITE A PHYSICAL LETTER to those who matter.

E-petitions DO NOT WORK, they never have. There's no point in bothering with it. I'm not going to waste my time or other people's time getting involved with one.

Organizing a letter writing campaign is a far better use of time and resources. Why do people not understand this? I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but this annoying trend of people thinking e-petitions make ANY difference at all has to STOP.

WRITE A LETTER IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

this is a numbers game. 10,000 people signing a petition is stronger then 50 people sending letters to their state councellers (although they both should be done so as to compliment each other and make the case stronger)

whats the harm in doing both, do you really think that achieving the 10,000 petition goal could NEGATIVELY affect our campeign? exactly point proven.

 

[MoonMan]

whats the harm in doing both, do you really think that achieving the 10,000 petition goal could NEGATIVELY affect our campeign?

Yes, simply for the reason that people are under the delusion that they are making a difference by signing it and relying on it to do something. They aren't and it won't. It's a damaging fallacy to put any belief in one.

An e-petition is not a complement to a letter, an e-petition is spam that does not prove anything. The signatures are worthless and can easily be faked due to the medium (like you said yourself, you can sign it for everyone in the house), so what body of power WOULD take it seriously?

You can't fake a mailed letter, you can't ignore an office full of them. You CAN'T say the same for a dubious email "signed" by people that cannot be confirmed - hell, you can't even be sure that it will be sent to the right person.

 

[moose88]

Yes, simply for the reason that people are under the delusion that they are making a difference by signing it and relying on it to do something. They aren't and it won't. It's a damaging fallacy to put any belief in one.
can you back up any of those FACTS? obviously you cant because their your opinion, and your selling them as if they are facts. if anything you are disheartening and taking away from the thousands of people who have kindly taken their time to express their opinion.

An e-petition is not a complement to a letter, an e-petition is spam that does not prove anything. The signatures are worthless and can easily be faked due to the medium (like you said yourself, you can sign it for everyone in the house), so what body of power WOULD take it seriously?

An Epetition is not a compliment to a letter? i think it would be wise for you to keep your opinion to yourself, if you would like to have the reputation of having even a few brain cells. The British Government rely on e-petition's to shape policy and give people a chance to express themselves. if you dont belive me check it yourself: Introduction to e-petitions | Number10.gov.uk so i think that should end the discussion of do they have even an ounce of influence. which obviuosly they do.

You can't fake a mailed letter, you can't ignore an office full of them. You CAN'T say the same for a dubious email "signed" by people that cannot be confirmed - hell, you can't even be sure that it will be sent to the right person.

if its of any consellation, or to soothe you in anyway, i am encouraging people to also write to their state leaders

now if you dont mind, i think everyknow knows your stance on this subject therfore i do not think it is necessary for you to waste bandwidth by continually posting in my thread, unless its constructive

 

[MoonMan]

can you back up any of those FACTS? obviously you cant because their your opinion, and your selling them as if they are facts. if anything you are disheartening and taking away from the thousands of people who have kindly taken their time to express their opinion.

snopes.com: Internet Petitions

Show me ONE instance of an unsolicited e-petition accomplishing anything, and I will concede (the ones in the UK are solicited by the government and therefore have no bearing on this discussion). ASKING for opinions with e-petitions is FAR different than sending them unasked.

Until you prove me wrong, I will continue to express the fact that unsolicited e-petitions are worthless and condone a dangerous mindset of "doing good". The only thing "disheartening" going on in here is the blind faith in a system that does nothing.

WAKE UP AND ACT ACCORDINGLY, PEOPLE. Don't let spam speak for you!

 

[MoonMan]

NM double post

 

[Vapor Pete]

Until you prove me wrong, I will continue to express the fact that unsolicited e-petitions are worthless and condone a dangerous mindset of "doing good".

Or until a moderator bans you. Doing good is doing good, any way you slice it. It could be asked of you to prove your stance, or "fact" as you put it, that petitions dont do good. I suggest you keep your negativity to yourself at this point, as we are all doing what we can do reach the common goal. Some of us have written several letters, I for one have yet to get a reply.
Another suggestion for you would be to start your own thread about the worthlessness of petitions. You may be the only poster, but you wouldnt be hijacking someone elses.
My best,
-VP

 

[MoonMan]

Or until a moderator bans you. Doing good is doing good, any way you slice it. It could be asked of you to prove your stance, or "fact" as you put it, that petitions dont do good. I suggest you keep your negativity to yourself at this point, as we are all doing what we can do reach the common goal. Some of us have written several letters, I for one have yet to get a reply.
Another suggestion for you would be to start your own thread about the worthlessness of petitions. You may be the only poster, but you wouldnt be hijacking someone elses.
My best,
-VP

At least you wrote a letter, you're one of the ones who will make a difference.

As for getting banned - pfft. You act like I'm being pointlessly negative and trying to hurt people, when all I'm doing is telling the TRUTH and trying to open some eyes. It's not my fault some people fail to see it and take offense.

Good idea on the thread about the worthlessness of e-petitions, though - I'll get on that.

 

[Vapor Pete]

At least you wrote a letter, you're one of the ones who will make a difference.

Doesnt feel like it when my reps do not acknowledge my letters, or my existence.

As for getting banned - pfft.

Admitting your membership on the ECF is not exactly a high priority to you. Which puts your intentions here suspect at the very least.

You act like I'm being pointlessly negative

You are being pointlessly negative. Its pointless because over 6000 people have signed it, and more will continue to sign it every day. To bash it's efforts and try to turn others away, is pointless indeed.

when all I'm doing is telling the TRUTH and trying to open some eyes.

Again, one could ask you to prove your statement, and give specific incidences where a petition was completely overlooked and an opposite outcome prevailed. Verified. No one is asking you to do so. And you havent given such an example. So as of now, your "TRUTH" thus far is only speculation, based on your own opinion, which does not constitute a truth in any form of the word.
My best,
-VP

 

[MoonMan]

Doesnt feel like it when my reps do not acknowledge my letters, or my existence.

So an e-petition fills that need? Do you get feedback from it?

Admitting your membership on the ECF is not exactly a high priority to you.

That was not the intent of "pfft". The intent was that I'm not worried about getting banned for telling the honest truth. The mods are smarter than that and petty threats of banning from people who disagree don't phase me.

You are being pointlessly negative. Its pointless because over 6000 people have signed it, and more will continue. To bash it's efforts and try to turn others away, is pointless indeed.

I disagree. 6000 signatures on a document that will do nothing MEAN nothing. If we get 6,000,000 signatures on an e-petition for world peace, what do you think the chances are of getting it?

Again, one could ask you to prove you case, and give specific incidences where a petition was completely overlooked and an opposite outcome prevailed. Verified. No one is asking you to do so. And you havent given such an example. Your "TRUTH" thus far is only speculation, based on your own opinion, which does not constitute a truth in any form of the meaning.
My best,
-VP

My proof lies in the fact that an e-petition has never been cited as a deciding factor in anything, or cited at all. Prove me wrong if you think it's just an opinion.

Anyway, I'm taking discussion to the other thread and will quit hijacking. Please stop by if you find anything that shows e-petitions do any good.

 

[moose88]

to put it simply, there were induviduals who doubted Christopher Columbus when he was on his voyages, certain induviduals even told him to come back when he was more then halfway to the "New World"
did he listen to the "facts"? NO
He did everything within his powers to continue until he reached the destination.

and thats how i see this situation. your not helping at all, we are more then halfway in achieving the 10,000 goal, but yet you find it necessary to say that we are wasting our time, and our time and effort has been wasted. but i for one, and am sure others who are not quitters, will not listen to your deflating opinion.

enjoy drinking from your half empty glass, and please stop hijacking my thread.