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zoiDman

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Healthy is a word used to describe something that improves health, like exercising and good food. ...

Words mean Different Things to Different People. Sometimes Words even mean Different Things to the Same Person in Different Contexts.

When talking about e-Cigarettes, I Don't like to referrer to e-Cigarettes as "Healthy". I like to say that using an e-Cigarette is "Healthier" than Smoking tobacco.

A Very Subtle Difference that is sometimes Lost on Some People.
 

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Thank you Blue Moods, I was thinking the same thing. It is healthy in that it improves my body and lifestyle. (compared to smoking)

OP, we do not know that pg and vg are healthy in this delivery system. We know they are healthy when ingested. There is no proof that they are healthy when inhaled. Yeah, I know pg is in asthma medications. If you think I trust big Pharma to put only healthy things in breathing meds, you don't know me well. (Hey, you probably don't know me at all! :laugh: This is a forum!).

I know I am taking a chance and I am taking it with eyes wide open. It is healthier for me at the moment. I take your point and will try to be careful what I say to new folks, folks in general. The jury is still out but I will be vaping while they are deliberating. Hope my side "wins" cause I don't want to give it up.
 

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I'm sorry, but comparing what to what?
I am very young, about to turn 19. Smoked from 13-18, which wasn't that long.
I just think that until the hard evidence comes out that vaping truely is not harmful to our health that it is best if we, as a community, pass these off as a safer alternative to those looking to get off tobacco. I personally see it to be very possible that vaping be not harmful, just waiting on the long-term scientific research to be done.

Generally compared to smoking.

The vast majority of people here understand that vaping is probably not as good for us as just breathing air all the time. I've never seen anyone here who thinks that everyone should vape. We as a community do recommend to people they should not vape just to be cool, but rather to use it as a tool to help with health issues.

Me thinks you are preaching to the converted, but hey, that's cool and I think you get it now. Vape happy :2cool:
 

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First of all, some of your points are without authority and I require citation before I will accept something like the exact food additive flavorings used in vaping are causing cancer. Will you please cite the studies on this, and which exact chemicals are carcinogenic. As a full time cancer researcher for major institutions, I would be quite interested in this data, and may include it in an upcoming white paper. I/We are fully aware that some food additives such as diacetyl (buttery flavor) are harmful, but most flavorists stay away from that chemical. Acetoin has been known to produce trace amounts of diacetyl, when combined with other compounds. This is also well known in the flavoring community. For example, I took this off The Flavor Apprentice's website:

I have been doing more research, and i discovered that the molecule Acetoin can under certain circumstances "catalyze" into containing minute traces of the molecule Diacetyl. When I spoke to a chemist about this, she confirmed that this can happen during the production of the molecule, but is unlikely to happen after a flavor is blended. I then had a sample of Acetoin purchased from Vigon International analyzed by GC/MS and yes, it did have trace amounts of Diacetyl! When I looked at the online specification sheet that Vigon posts, it does show that the purity of that particular product is 93-100%. Nearly every molecule that is commercially sold is somewhere in this range for purity, and this seems to be an acceptable industry standard. (Vigon is a very reputable company!) Of course, Diacetyl is a perfectly acceptable Food Flavoring, so for the Flavor and Fragrance Industry there is absolutely no problem with this particular trace occurence in the production of Acetoin. It is completely normal. But for customers wanting to avoid even trace amounts of Diacetyl, this means that any flavor that contains the ingredient Acetoin can potentially also contain trace amounts of Diacetyl, even though Diacetyl itself was never added to the blend as an ingredient. Because of this new information, I will add to the flavor descriptions of those flavors that I know contain Acetoin, so that customers can avoid those flavors if they wish. Of course, if only a small amount of acetoin is in a flavor, then the potential likelihood of there also being diacetyl is very very small.

So, our community is very sensitive to these issues and avoids all known issues, alerting us to any known dangers. Again, citations on your argument are needed now for evaluation.

The other point I want to raise is the issue of health and safety. Almost every American does things in their life every single day that are not totally safe. It is not safe to drive a car, cook a meal, take a shower, etc. Safety and healthy are relative terms, and the reason that so many responses to your post include concepts like, "What's your point?" and "Compared to what?" and "So what." Vaping is an amazingly safe activity compared to smoking, and many other daily activities. I know of not a single death attributed to vaping. What else can a human do that can make a similar claim? The fact is nothing is safe, the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, electromagnetic pollution, etc. There's nothing wrong with your point whatsoever, as long as the proper perspective is applied to it. Is vaping safe compared to Chantix, for example. Not a single suicide yet from vaping. Chantix suicides in the thousands. So, vaping is a very safe activity compared with, well, just about everything else a human can do. Is it safe? No. Is anything safe? No. Best to you, and thank you for the food for thought.
 

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Bill, you are a breath of reason in an otherwise emotional world! Naw, I really don't mean that the people on this forum are irrational, just wanted to say that!

Thanks for the post. I agree with all that you have said. Yep. Vaping is SAFER. And I don't want to push anyone into vaping without telling them that I have my own reservations about its ultimate safety. I really don't think it is absolutely safe to inhale much of anything, including air.

That being said, unless a person specifically asks for ALL the health risks to vaping, I think most of us make an assumption about those that find their way to this forum. They are looking for a good way to vape. They think they may be able to cut down or quit smoking altogether. It is cumbersome to constantly preface everything with disclaimers about the relative safety of vaping. We vape around here. We think it is safer. Buyer beware. ASK if you want to know the safety concerns any or all of us have about vaping. Google vaping and read the articles. But, please, don't get all over us for liking it, being grateful to the technology for getting us off cigarettes and being excited to share our success with others. Ya don't go to a pregnancy and newborn support forum to ask about where to get an abortion, do you?

There are threads with medical information in this forum that present as objective a view of the practice as I have found anywhere. I don't think I have to reiterate the concerns at every turn. Just sayin....
 

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Yes, I understand about nic absorbtion. I was primarily just mess'n around with ya'll, and secondly referring to lungs. I had a perfect chest xray for a surgery a week before I quit smoking....was just noticing that I vape like I would smoke a cigar, mainly tasting it, exhaling, and swallowing, but hardly ever inhaling. I have no worries about vaping regardless or whether I inhale or not. It's those 4,000 plus toxic substances that I'm just very grateful to no longer be taking into my body through cigs. I've lived a decade over half a century and feel pretty great so have a fun Sunday all!!
I'm gonna go jump in the ocean!! :laugh:

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I've always wanted to do that to an "Am I the only one ____________________" post. :lol:

You don't HAVE to inhale...the nic is absorbed by the mucous membranes in mouth/throat/nose too, besides what you swallow mixed with saliva.
 
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Healthy - oh you mean like Jogging ? No wait, that causes arthritis in your knees and ankles.
Like doing weight training - no wait, that causes tissue damage and internal scars that fall apart when you get older.
Like swimming - no wait, the chlorine and oils in your skin can combine and damage lungs and cause asthma.

Like eating your vegetables - no wait, eggplant and tomatoes and other veggies can cause inflammation that triggers lots of diseases including cancer.

Ummmm ... like exactly what then ??

Vaping is not "healthy"!
Now, wait. Let me explain before you guys rip me a new one.
Healthy is a word used to describe something that improves health, like exercising and good food. We are ingesting something in our bodies that is unnatural. The human body was never designed to smoke or inhale large amounts of vapor, so that leads me to believe that there COULD BE some minor health effects.
Vaping is a reduced risk alternative! We know that vaping is so much better than smoking tobacco, but we dont know that it is harmless.
You have to realize that we are the guinea pigs for this new technological frontier. Yes, we know the VG and PG are harmless to the human body. But the artificial flavorings and colorings in food has been shown to cause cancer, the same ones in our ejuice.
We have to be realistic and entertain the opposing side too, that's how research get done and facts are found.
By the way, I'm very happy that vaping does exist to give an alternative to all smokers. We have all seen it improve lives.
 

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The flavors are the questionable part of vaping since there are so many of them it would be hard to test them all. I just try to avoid flavors like cinnamon that has the potential to do damage to your lungs.

Not been vaping all that long, but as I understand the instructions, vaping isn't supposed to be going into your lungs in the first place.
I spent days and days working on learning the correct way to vape and NOT just automatically inhaling it into my lungs. (yea I know, I'm a slow learner - but I did eventually learn it)
Cinnamon is on my list of must learn to like flavors because it's very high on the antibiotic foods list, we don't know that the antibiotic chemicals in cinnamon transfer into the e-liquid, but we don't know that they don't either.
 

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Vaping is not "healthy"!
Now, wait. Let me explain before you guys rip me a new one.
Healthy is a word used to describe something that improves health, like exercising and good food. We are ingesting something in our bodies that is unnatural. The human body was never designed to smoke or inhale large amounts of vapor, so that leads me to believe that there COULD BE some minor health effects.
Vaping is a reduced risk alternative! We know that vaping is so much better than smoking tobacco, but we dont know that it is harmless.
You have to realize that we are the guinea pigs for this new technological frontier. Yes, we know the VG and PG are harmless to the human body. But the artificial flavorings and colorings in food has been shown to cause cancer, the same ones in our ejuice.
We have to be realistic and entertain the opposing side too, that's how research get done and facts are found.
By the way, I'm very happy that vaping does exist to give an alternative to all smokers. We have all seen it improve lives.

Who said it was healthy?

I doubt if anyone here ever used those words and certainly no registered supplier uses those words on their website.

Some of us may consider vaping a healthier alternative to smoking but even that is a matter of our own personal opinion.
 

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I am not familiar with the flavoring ingredients used in ejuices and I do know that the vast majority are food grade. I personally am not concerned about ingesting these colorings and flavorings, I just more accept the potential risk of vaping and do see it as reducing the negative effects caused by vaping.
Going back to your request for citations. I have read a couple of articles on the potential negative effects of artificial flavorings. I am on a mobile device since my power is out atm (I even don't have anything to vape with!) But I did manage to find one article I found particularly interesting as it had to do with "smokey flavors". I have no idea if these are used in any tobacco ejuices or how they get the flavors that they make...
This is the article, unfortunately I could not find the medical study itself (it's out there somewhere)! It could be bogus, I'm not sure. All I'm stating with this thread is that any potential (and legitimate) ill-effects to one's health from vaping should be made accessible to the public, as it was with tobacco smoke.
http://healthland.time.com/2013/03/29/could-some-of-our-favorite-flavorings-be-damaging-our-dna/
 

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Vaping is not "healthy"!
Now, wait. Let me explain before you guys rip me a new one.
Healthy is a word used to describe something that improves health, like exercising and good food. We are ingesting something in our bodies that is unnatural. The human body was never designed to smoke or inhale large amounts of vapor, so that leads me to believe that there COULD BE some minor health effects.
Vaping is a reduced risk alternative! We know that vaping is so much better than smoking tobacco, but we dont know that it is harmless.
You have to realize that we are the guinea pigs for this new technological frontier. Yes, we know the VG and PG are harmless to the human body. But the artificial flavorings and colorings in food has been shown to cause cancer, the same ones in our ejuice.
We have to be realistic and entertain the opposing side too, that's how research get done and facts are found.
By the way, I'm very happy that vaping does exist to give an alternative to all smokers. We have all seen it improve lives.

Nice rant but we all know this. Whats your point ?
 

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I am not familiar with the flavoring ingredients used in ejuices and I do know that the vast majority are food grade. I personally am not concerned about ingesting these colorings and flavorings, I just more accept the potential risk of vaping and do see it as reducing the negative effects caused by vaping.
Going back to your request for citations. I have read a couple of articles on the potential negative effects of artificial flavorings. I am on a mobile device since my power is out atm (I even don't have anything to vape with!) But I did manage to find one article I found particularly interesting as it had to do with "smokey flavors". I have no idea if these are used in any tobacco ejuices or how they get the flavors that they make...
This is the article, unfortunately I could not find the medical study itself (it's out there somewhere)! It could be bogus, I'm not sure. All I'm stating with this thread is that any potential (and legitimate) ill-effects to one's health from vaping should be made accessible to the public, as it was with tobacco smoke.
Could Some of Our Favorite Flavorings Be Damaging Our DNA? | TIME.com

While we're at it, let's start putting obesity warning labels chips, soda, candy, and ice cream.
 
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