Let's talk about Vapecrawler today!

[NateHevens]

I have this heard directly from very reputable and well known national vendors. Honestly, you may believe whatever you wish to believe of course. I was convinced enough to post it here. How do you suppose they stay in business? Are you making the claim it a volunteer not for profit, good Samaritan website?

You need to go stomp your feet and demand answers from VapeCrawler to prove otherwise. Sorry, but I will not open myself to lawsuit to satisfy your thirst for drama.

I'm sorry what? You took my post way too far. But since you brought up lawsuits... you made a claim, dude. You know you're supposed to back it up, otherwise it's libel, right? And for the record, I did ask him for evidence (no response yet, though). It's not about drama, it's about wanting to know the truth.

And no I'm not claiming they're some volunteer/good-Samaritan site. They obviously have paid advertisements on their sites. They also run on donations, and use Share-A-Sale links. And who knows... maybe you're right.

I don't know who you heard this from, but I'd argue that if you're going to make that claim, you should provide evidence for it. And VapeCrawler should be able to show evidence to the contrary. A lot of people use VapeCrawler. Basically suggesting that they aren't trustworthy because they only show vendors who paid to be there is a pretty big claim.

 

[Rangertrix]

For me, using my google-fu to find good prices and coupons for vendors I trust and have good turn around times is half the fun!!

 

[TraderX]

Perhaps check your legal definition of "libel", no one was slandered. Only you mentioned the word "untrustworthy" in regards to VapeCrawler. Putting words in others peoples mouths that were never stated and being highly defensive too. Very telling, very telling indeed.

Again, for the last time, I will repeat this so perhaps you can comprehend it this time. Your argument is with VapeCrawler, not me. Multiple well known national vendors have stated exactly what I have said. I was convinced enough to attempt to be of good service to my fellow members and post this information.

If you love VapeCrawler, and you have made it very clear that you do, just keep enjoying their service as always. Creating drama, demanding evidence, stomping your feet and whining, is waste of my time and yours. I have received two messages already that you probably work for them. I would not be surprised if you do, but I just figured you love creating drama.

I said what I needed to say, I stand by it. If I am wrong, you are welcome to prove it.

 

[NateHevens]

You know what? That's perfectly fine.

If you want to characterize my posts in this thread as temper tantrums, even though I've been calm and reasonable throughout, that's cool. I asked you for evidence because you made a claim. That's how evidence works. You can't prove a negative, so if you say "VapeCrawler only indexes sites that have paid to be there", it's not on VapeCrawler to prove you wrong... it's on you to prove yourself right.

You say that "Multiple well known national vendors have stated exactly what I have said." Okay cool...

Who? Seriously... who?

Again you're making a claim but refuse to back it up. And you're using a super vague appeal to authority to try and back yourself up (that's a fallacy, by the way). You can't just do that. You can't just make a claim like that and not support it with facts.

But it's fine. I'm apparently throwing a temper tantrum (as opposed to simply asking for your evidence). So cool.

You do you. As for me? I'm not going to accept your claim without evidence. I have literally zero proof that anything you said is true. But I guess not taking you at your word is the same as throwing a temper tantrum, so...

So that's fine. I just ask that anyone else reading this thread note the lack of evidence, as well as the vague Appeal to Authority ("multiple well known [unnamed] national vendors"), and make up your own mind. Again... I'm not saying that VapeCrawler doesn't do this. All I'm saying is that it is, as it stands right now, a claim without evidence.

I welcome anyone who thinks they have evidence to present it, either here or at ECR. But that's all I have to say for now.

 

[cooladdict]

Well that escalated quickly...

I read the post on ECR. I have used Vapecrawler since the search engine was created and I have had many interactions with the owner who, by the way, has been nothing but courteous and helpful. I have recommended stores for inclusion and yes, I did ask if there was a fee for listing. The answer is no. No fee. Banner ads are a different story, same as the banner ads here and everywhere else you see them. The service is free, advertising is not. And no, I do not work for them or anyone else in the vaping community. Just a longtime vaper who has a pretty serious case of shinyitis who likes to do a little research every now and then.

 

[TraderX]

I thought it was just me that you found fault with? Now your "Call to Arms" is to "Anyone" that would besmirch the honor of the fair maiden VapeCrawler.

You are truly good my friend, it's like a David versus Goliath story, but you attempt to flip the script, and make the little guy the villain. It's hilarious, but I admire your loyalty and transparency.

You have done VapeCrawler proud. You most assuredly deserve a raise.

 

[ScottP]

Personally I have never used Vapecrawler nor have I used Vapor Joe. For the most part I have a handfull of sites I order from. If they don't stock something, I use YahooFu to find what I want. I also don't mind paying a bit more to order from a reputable US vendor for most items.

 

[NateHevens]

You're right, I do deserve a raise. I demand 25%!

Wait... what's 25% of $0?

ETA:

David and Goliath? Really? And you imagine yourself to be... David?

 

[Anthony_Vapes]

I assumed most everyone knew this by now, but apparently many members are still not aware.

I see countless members recommend Vapecrawler every single day as the best place to find the lowest prices on gear.

Vapecrawler is often made out to be the Consumer Report watchdog of the lowest prices on vaping gear. Do a search here on ECF and see for yourself the results. We have an epidemic of well-meaning but misinformed members giving advice to newer members who believe what they are being advised.

The simple truth is that Vapecrawler only lists vape gear prices if they are being "paid" by the merchant selling this vape gear. It is incredibly easy to consistently beat any low price listed on Vapecrawler with a little bit of Google search Kung Fu.

Like old radio broadcaster Paul Harvey always said: "And now you know the rest of the story"

I really don't get this post at all?

I don't think it's necessarily the best place but it's a good place for sure that gives the opportunity to search lots of vapes sites, most of them very well trusted in the community to price check. I've probably ordered from at least a dozen sites on there before personally without any issues. I don't consider that misinformation at all. doens't mean it'll always have the lowest price or every site i 100% trustable but it's no worse off then google or bing.

as far as being paid, as far as i know no such thing exists. any site can be lised. all they need is to provide an affiliate link and ask to be listed. it's that simple. of course they make money. they have banner ads just like ECF, VU, VI, and every vape forum out there. I don't see any issue with that. so between the ads and the affiliate links that's where the money is made. it's a provided service that costs nothing to vapers and is funded by ads which are clearly labeled as such and affiliate links.

the part of this that bothers me mostly is that vapecrawler is apparently not allowed to come post here without paying supposedly? since they are considered a business they aren't allowed to post here without paying to defend themselves against these allegations. that doesn't sit right with me personally. and that seems much more rigged then what you are accusing them of. ECF is a big forum that's been around a long time and they only allow businesses who pay them to post here so non paid businesses can be slandered and have no choice but to take it or pay ECF to defend themselves.

with that said is .... rigged in vaping? no doubt! and it pisses me off personally. so many people out there to .... over the community for personal gain. I mean I've busted my ... doing reviews for almost 2 years now to combat that and for every one i do there are 20-30 other forum shills who will praise everything and sell out the community for a free 30 dollar atomizer without giving 2 poops but nobody says anything about that. that's in addition to the slew of popular youtubers doing infomercials disguised as a review for personal gain. I mean look at the reviews here it's probably 90% people shilling and 10% legit community reviews. same goes for any platform anywhere. there are tons of issues in vaping. we have the FDA nonsense, the poor public perception, the lies to attack vapers, the shills, the misinformation. choosing to attack a search engine seems like a really small fish to fry, even if you feel it's rigged which you've provided no proof of, there are things much poopier in vaping that deserve more attention if you wanted to help inform the community then a search engine.

 

[TrollDragon]

I have used Vapecrawler in the past and will still use it as a base line for pricing from the Chinese majors. I am not in the US, so better deals with a little Google searching is totally moot to me. A bad Canadian dollar and 90% of the US vendors don't ship here even if there is a screaming deal to be had. I have also used the kind generosity of fellow ECF members to forward things across the border, when I absolutely had to have a specific shiny and it wasn't available here.

Ads don't bother me I've used AdBlock or uBlock on every browser and FB Purity on FB since the beginning. I am not against ads, just irresponsible site owners who don't bother vetting their ad feeds.

 

[Vinnybagodoughnuts]

I'd be happy to help anytime TD.

 

[TrollDragon]

I'd be happy to help anytime TD.

Much appreciated Vinny.

 

[DPLongo22]

I use VC like I use pretty much any source of information (Consumer Reports, user reviews, etc.), which is as exactly that; a source of information.

To paraphrase an old candy commercial, sometimes I feel like a nut, sometimes I don't.

 

[Katdarling]

Is this REALLY where our energies be best spent? Vapecrawler? Really??????

 

[stols001]

It was a ton of arguing about not very much at all.

I'm not gonna lie, I've done it. Sometimes I wonder if my longest word count post ever was one where I wax poetical about quitting smoking, or a disagreement. I'm fairly sure (not entirely sure) it's the latter. LOL.

Anna