level-headed advice? (VTR vs. already-owned MVP 2)

[machinestatic]

I just recently bought a new MVP 2 on sale, and was really excited to receive it. And now that I have it, I must admit I really love it. HOWEVER... I still find myself ignoring it and using my cheapo Vamo. This is specifically because of its removable battery. The fact that the charging port is on the bottom of the MVP drives me more crazy than I thought I would. It's just much easier to pop out an 18650 and throw a new one in in 5 seconds, than to have to keep the mod I'm using lying on its side for 4 hours because it's tethered to my computer.

So, of course I went nuts when I saw the recent Vapor Joe's post about the $64.99 iTaste VTR sale. Such a great price!

But do I NEED it? Technically, no. My $30 Vamo does everything the VTR does (which is why I sold my Lavatube 2 months ago). Not to mention, I have an iTaste VV V3, Ego Twists, blah blah. But I sure do like the box form factor of the MVP. So does anyone want to slap some sense into me? Do I jump on the VTR sale, or am I just bitten by the vape mail bug again? Come on down, fellow Innokin fans.

Short version: #1, is this too good of a sale to ignore, and #2, when people have a big mod collection, do they have a justification for why they own each item?

 

[Kevin littell]

Repeat after me....


"I want it and I am going too buy it."

Your turn:

Again,"I want it and I am going too buy it."


Ya cant take it with you when you go, why not enjoy it now.


PS. My wife calls me Satan Jr. Afterall, its just a payment right????

 

[MissKitty47]

Having fun with vaping, keeping it exciting...that's money well spent every time because you're not lighting a stick on fire and hurting yourself...and what a sale!

Sent from my tap dancing phone

 

[Muldemar]

I don't have a MVP..So I can't compare the 2..
That being said I love the VTR!..Some complain its heavy..To me its Solid..
I really like the way the tank sits down in the VTR..protected..
Today My cat decided to clear the coffee table..and sent my VTR flying..
If it had been another mod..more than likely,the threads on the tank would have been ruined..
The VTR..The tank was fine..
The price you mentioned is Great!
I payed $85 for mine last month

Bottom line do you need a VTR?..maybe not
Do you Want 1?..Definitely!
And where vaping is concerned..Want trumps Need

 

[devauto]

I just recently bought a new MVP 2 on sale, and was really excited to receive it. And now that I have it, I must admit I really love it. HOWEVER... I still find myself ignoring it and using my cheapo Vamo. This is specifically because of its removable battery. The fact that the charging port is on the bottom of the MVP drives me more crazy than I thought I would. It's just much easier to pop out an 18650 and throw a new one in in 5 seconds, than to have to keep the mod I'm using lying on its side for 4 hours because it's tethered to my computer.

So, of course I went nuts when I saw the recent Vapor Joe's post about the $64.99 iTaste VTR sale. Such a great price!

But do I NEED it? Technically, no. My $30 Vamo does everything the VTR does (which is why I sold my Lavatube 2 months ago). Not to mention, I have an iTaste VV V3, Ego Twists, blah blah. But I sure do like the box form factor of the MVP. So does anyone want to slap some sense into me? Do I jump on the VTR sale, or am I just bitten by the vape mail bug again? Come on down, fellow Innokin fans.

Short version: #1, is this too good of a sale to ignore, and #2, when people have a big mod collection, do they have a justification for why they own each item?

Okay, I don't have an MVP 2 yet (it's on the way, maybe tomorrow), so I can't do a comparison. What I can tell you is that I love my VTR. It does chew through a battery though, both the eVic and the Legend have a better track record with battery management in my experience. However, if you want a box mod, the VTR is a solid one, and I mean solid, I carry it for personal self defense too, and I suspect it would hold up well as a hammer! If battery life is an issue for you, then the VTR will likely disappoint you, especially compared with what most folks say about the MVP 2 battery life. If you liked everything else about the MVP 2, then you will very likely love the VTR.

Just make sure to check your ohm meter when you get it. The first few production runs had problems that caused VW mode to be virtually worthless. I had one of those for 3 days, and it really sucked. Innokin recognized and fixed the problem, so it should not be a concern with current production runs. I also recommend getting the jungle camo color, I had the silver one to start with and it is a serious fingerprint magnet. Within minutes of taking it out of the box the thing looked awful. Since I had to replace it, I chose the jungle camo and couldn't be happier, the thing always looks fantastic.

As always, YMMV!

 

[p.opus]

One other thing to keep in mind. The VTR uses the same PWM that many of the other 18650 Mod's use. PBussardo's review on the scope clearly shows the the tell tale wave on the scope. Thus the unit will "rattlesnake". The VTR does not output the same smooth output that the iTaste vv3, MVP2 and (dare I say it....Provari....) do.

I don't know how you vape, but I would think the MVP 2 should last you all day. I know that an iTtaste vv3 almost lasts me all day and the MVP2 has three times the capacity. As long as you charge it while you sleep, I don't know why you would ever be in a position to even use the USB passthrough function. On the vv3 and it's 800mAh capacity, I understand, but not so much with MVP and 2600mAh....Are you jump starting your car with your APV or something???!!!??

There is no doubt that the VTR is a tank, and the Tank protector is great. However, I've also heard that the adjustment ring on the VTR is a bit of a tricky gadget, and for me, I don't like the need to buy a 510 to eGo adapter since all my tanks are eGo threaded. I have a MVP 2 coming in the mail.

Right now, I'm expecting the MVP to be to be my nighttime and weekend vape while my iTastes go with me to work and back.

 

[RatInDaHat]

the newest versions of the vtr don't have the spinning ring for the atty connection. I would say you could ask the vendor if the ring spins or if it is fixed.

I got my vtr's on friday and i am loving them. The form factor is awesome. coming from the sigelei zmax i do wish the display was a little nicer, but overall i am sold on this thing.

 

[Ref Minor]

One other thing to keep in mind. The VTR uses the same PWM that many of the other 18650 Mod's use. PBussardo's review on the scope clearly shows the the tell tale wave on the scope. Thus the unit will "rattlesnake". The VTR does not output the same smooth output that the iTaste vv3, MVP2 and (dare I say it....Provari....) do.

The VTR uses a 48hz chip vs the usual 33Hz. It isn't as smooth as my Semovar, but it's a decent strong vape.

 

[Ref Minor]

I just recently bought a new MVP 2 on sale, and was really excited to receive it. And now that I have it, I must admit I really love it. HOWEVER... I still find myself ignoring it and using my cheapo Vamo. This is specifically because of its removable battery. The fact that the charging port is on the bottom of the MVP drives me more crazy than I thought I would. It's just much easier to pop out an 18650 and throw a new one in in 5 seconds, than to have to keep the mod I'm using lying on its side for 4 hours because it's tethered to my computer.

So, of course I went nuts when I saw the recent Vapor Joe's post about the $64.99 iTaste VTR sale. Such a great price!

But do I NEED it? Technically, no. My $30 Vamo does everything the VTR does (which is why I sold my Lavatube 2 months ago). Not to mention, I have an iTaste VV V3, Ego Twists, blah blah. But I sure do like the box form factor of the MVP. So does anyone want to slap some sense into me? Do I jump on the VTR sale, or am I just bitten by the vape mail bug again? Come on down, fellow Innokin fans.

Short version: #1, is this too good of a sale to ignore, and #2, when people have a big mod collection, do they have a justification for why they own each item?

You don't need a VTR, I didn't, I just wanted it. It's a great mod, the form factor makes it a much easier to pocket than an MVP due to its recessed tank. It also will still be working in a few months when your MVP battery starts to fail. For that price, if you want it and can afford it, it's a great mod. It is heavy, but it has a lovely solid feel to it.

 

[p.opus]

The VTR uses a 48hz chip vs the usual 33Hz. It isn't as smooth as my Semovar, but it's a decent strong vape.

Thanks for that. So at 48hz it doesn't rattlesnake as bad as some of the others, but it's not the same as the MVP or VV3.

 

[p.opus]

You don't need a VTR, I didn't, I just wanted it. It's a great mod, the form factor makes it a much easier to pocket than an MVP due to its recessed tank. It also will still be working in a few months when your MVP battery starts to fail. For that price, if you want it and can afford it, it's a great mod. It is heavy, but it has a lovely solid feel to it.

Where do you get your data that the MVP would fail in a few months? This does not jive with how LiION batteries work. Does your Iphone start losing it's charge after a couple of months?

If you fully discharged an MVP daily, it should last a minimum of 10 months. If you only discharged it 50% then it should last twice as many charges.

I currently have three itaste vv3's that I put on the charger every three days. If they were fully discharged when I put them on, then they would last 300 cycles, which equates to 900 days. The "red" condition on an Itaste vv 3 occurs at about 3.5 volts. The depth of discharge displayed in this article is 3.0 volts per cell, and the Itaste and vv3 don't even allow the cell to get that low.

How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University

Considering that the MVP and the iTaste both warn the user of the need to charge WELL before what is considered 100% discharged, then NONE of the charge cycles an MVP or iTaste experience can be considered 100% depth of Discharge.

This is the same argument that went around the whole cell phone industry when it was announced that the iPhone would not have a user replaceable battery. Yet this concern has turned out to be theoretical only since we tend to "tire" of our personal electronics well before we wear them out.

Yes, removable batteries are nice because you can put new ones in them. But in all reality by the time an MVP or iTaste vv fails, the next flavor of the day will be here in it's place.

Chances are, your loss of capacity is due to the natural 10% per year loss of capacity that occurs on all LiIon cells regardless of charge/discharge state.

At any rate. My point is, by the time I start worrying about my MVP or vv3's dying on me, something else there will be a new shiny toy there to fill it's void.

And if my iTastes or VV3's are in my drawer as "backups only" I'll still need to replace them after three years or so since they will only have 60% to 70% of their capability by that time due to natural loss of capacity over time.

Point is....Vape em while you got em....Nothing last forever.

 

[machinestatic]

Ha, there are so many replies that the Email notifications couldn't keep up. So thanks for that, fellow vapers.

Here are some specific comments:

As long as you charge it while you sleep, I don't know why you would ever be in a position to even use the USB passthrough function.

Well, I never considered charging overnight because the topic seems very polarizing on this forum. 50% of people charge their batts overnight while the other 50% say “Oh no, it could explode and burn down your house!” So I ended up paranoid and do not charge overnight…

the newest versions of the vtr don't have the spinning ring for the atty connection. I would say you could ask the vendor if the ring spins or if it is fixed.

Really? That is disappointing. I was hoping it was a purposeful feature, to help you tighten down your tank. But I just read another ECF thread where people said the spinning wheel was causing the ohm reading to be incorrect, so it may be better off "fixed."

PS. My wife calls me Satan Jr. Afterall, its just a payment right????

Haha, well there we go. How could I possibly disagree with the devil’s son? I guess I HAVE to buy a VTR.

 

[RatInDaHat]

as far as the spinning wheel goes, i have no issues tightening down my tanks with the fixed wheel. It isn't like we are trying to torque these things to spec. I've had no issues getting my iclears and protanks on and off.

 

[p.opus]

The MVP and iTaste vv3 both have auto shutdown. Myy phone and laptop stay plugged in overnight as well. They use Li-Ion batterys as well.

I don't know why some people are so freaked out about leaving their e-cigs plugged in, but leave their phones and laptops plugged in with no thought about it.

 

[machinestatic]

The MVP and iTaste vv3 both have auto shutdown. Myy phone and laptop stay plugged in overnight as well. They use Li-Ion batterys as well.

I don't know why some people are so freaked out about leaving their e-cigs plugged in, but leave their phones and laptops plugged in with no thought about it.

That's what my gut reaction is too. If you have roommates or a family, just think about everything that's plugged in overnight. With my roommates, we have a total of 3 iPhones, 3 iPads, 4 Mac computers, rechargeable razors and giant flashlights, power tools, you name it. I guess Fox news is just good at their job.

 

[p.opus]

That's what my gut reaction is too. If you have roommates or a family, just think about everything that's plugged in overnight. With my roommates, we have a total of 3 iPhones, 3 iPads, 4 Mac computers, rechargeable razors and giant flashlights, power tools, you name it. I guess Fox news is just good at their job.

Especially when you consider that many Li Ion devices trickle charge. At least the Itaste and MVP actually turn off the charger. I think some people are used to the old cheap eGo and KR8080D chargers and just assume these will be the same.

 

[machinestatic]

I decided to wait on the VTR. Thanks to RatInDaHat about the news on the spinning wheel update. I'd rather spend $100 on a manufacturer-updated version of a product, than $65 on a version that has caused some ECF'ers problems. So sometime in the near future (once more of the new stock is circulated) I'll order one.