LeWhif- inhaled food

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Really, and what if I took one and put a tabacco, ground into a fine powder, in it? Thats what I was saying on another post. You can use alot of different devices to vaporize or powder nicotine. Are they going to ban all them? This is a good find Rtbob.
Well the difference is that they're not being marketed as such.

If electronic cigarettes were marketed with a different name, and didn't have nicotine in them, there would never have been an issue with them.

If the StupidWhif was marketed as an alternative to smoking and were demonstrated with using nicotine, you can be sure they'd have the FDA clawing at their backs.
 

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When will people learn, anything with the word "Le" in front of it, is destined for failure.


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Why isn't anyone trying to ban these? One of them has caffeine in it.

Thanks for the video clip link. I sent a serious e-mail to MSNBC pointing out their clear hypocrisy and their cavalier attitude towards this LeWhif product, which is also inhaled, versus the typical fear-mongoring, prejudicial, bigotted and dismissive attitude found in many of the news clips concerning e-cigs. I challenged them to do a serious and responsible news piece on the electronic cigarette and have one or more of the AAPHP physicians on the program to give accurate and clear information on the technology and to rationally speak to health concerns as well as potential health benefits.

Thanks again for the link :thumb:
 
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Yeah, except this isn't a product that's inhaled.. nor does it contain nicotine.

Watch the video again this product is Inhaled and yet there is not the same cautionary attitude about what exactly is being inhaled and the fact that it does not contain nicotine is my point. Clear prejudice re: nicotine and nicotine products and my point is that it is often blown out of proportion when it comes to electronic cigarettes.
 

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I agree the negative stigma surrounding nicotine related products is overblown, however the person demonstrating this product was a bit of a ...... You're not supposed to inhale it, that's not it's intended purpose. The correct way to use that thing is to bring it into the mouth to taste the powder, that's it. If you look at the ingredients, they're not something that should be inhaled. An obvious blunder by the woman in that video.

"Powdered sugar (sugar, corn starch), sugar, spray dried coffee powder, natural and artificial flavor, caffeine."

No propylene glycol, no vegetable glycerine, no nicotine. Very different product.
 
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I checked out their website and actually neither of us had it completely correct. According to the inventor, the product is indeed inhaled - however the 'particle size' of the main ingredients is supposedly too large to go into the lungs and consequently 'falls into the mouth' and the remaining air from the product is inhaled. He concedes that if the entire contents were in fact inhaled it would require extensive/expensive testing and approval from the FDA - so in fact he has cleverly side-stepped this issue with his 'particle engineering'. I for one would like to see unbiased scientific research/testing which substantiates that no 'unintended' particles are in fact inhaled and in possible cases where this may occur, what are the medical ramifications. But you're right it is not 'smoking' not nicotine related and so does not carry the negative stigma and so, in all likelihood will be given a pass - typical bureaucratic double standard. This product is worthy of keeping an eye on to see if they make any unsubstantiated and misleading 'health claims' regarding obesity and obesity related health costs.
 
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Your welcome for the link.

The information stating that the particles are to large to be inhaled into the lung is correct.

However they are small enough by far to enter the trachea and make their way down into the larger airways leading to the lung. People have aspirated things as large as a dime down to the bifurcation of the tracheal carina.

Once in this part of the anatomy the risk of a serious respiratory infection becomes possible.

Since the powder is inhaled, where it is deposited would depend on the negative force of the inhalation.

When you inhale the epiglotis blocks the path to the esophagus which leads to the stomach and opens the path to the trachea allowing a direct route to the lungs.

Once the particles enter the trachea down to the bronchi they would get stuck in the mucocililiary escalator and more than likely dissolve.

If the particles contain any bacteria this is where the respiratory infection would commence. The bacteria carried by the powder would have no problem completing the journey into the lung tissue.

This is not a problem with inhaled liquid nicotine as PG has been proven over and over again to be batericidal.
 
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I checked out their website and actually neither of us had it completely correct. According to the inventor, the product is indeed inhaled - however the 'particle size' of the main ingredients is supposedly too large to go into the lungs and consequently 'falls into the mouth' and the remaining air from the product is inhaled. He concedes that if the entire contents were in fact inhaled it would require extensive/expensive testing and approval from the FDA - so in fact he has cleverly side-stepped this issue with his 'particle engineering'. I for one would like to see unbiased scientific research/testing which substantiates that no 'unintended' particles are in fact inhaled and in possible cases where this may occur, what are the medical ramifications. But you're right it is not 'smoking' not nicotine related and so does not carry the negative stigma and so, in all likelihood will be given a pass - typical bureaucratic double standard. This product is worthy keeping an eye on to see if they make any unsubstantiated and misleading 'health claims' regarding obesity and obesity related health costs.

Huh, a little bizarre. He says the particles are too big to enter the lungs, yet the woman who was demonstrating it still choked when she took a big drag from it.

The whole product in general is just stupid. Powdered sugar and flavoring in a tube to suck on... oooook. Have I mentioned I hate the name? lol...
 

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hahaha i saw the thread name and had to comment. The inventor i guess is a Harvard University professor and my mother happened to be in Harvard Square and got one of these. The pack looks like a tiny cigarette pack and looks like a plastic fat cigar. The thing is stupid all you inhale is air. all the ingredients fall onto your tongue and leave a disgusting black mark on there for a little bit. It seems really stupid to me. I guess it was being marketed at the store as a type of dietary device. To curb cravings for chocolate. However, it does taste like chocolate. Like all of you, I hate the name... haha and Le Whif sounds more like a french fart then some type of inhaled chocolate haha.

If i go over to my mother's tonight ill grab some pics and throw them up haha.
 

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Your welcome for the link.

The information stating that the particles are to large to be inhaled into the lung is correct.

However they are small enough by far to enter the trachea and make their way down into the larger airways leading to the lung. People have aspirated things as large as a dime down to the bifurcation of the tracheal carina.

Once in this part of the anatomy the risk of a serious respiratory infection becomes possible.

Since the powder is inhaled, where it is deposited would depend on the negative force of the inhalation.

When you inhale the epiglotis blocks the path to the esophagus which leads to the stomach and opens the path to the trachea allowing a direct route to the lungs.

Once the particles enter the trachea down to the bronchi they would get stuck in the mucocililiary escalator and more than likely dissolve.

If the particles contain any bacteria this is where the respiratory infection would commence. The bacteria carried by the powder would have no problem completing the journey into the lung tissue.

This is not a problem with inhaled liquid nicotine as PG has been proven over and over again to be batericidal.

Thanks for the post and info rtbob. I am no scientist but this is what I strongly suspected, that the "particles" do indeed become inhaled depending on the strength of the inhalation and consequently there is risk, as you so clearly point out, of respiratory complications. So where is the 'firestorm' concerning this product-likely there will be none or at least not until someone is seriously injured. By the way I am NOT advocating 'going after' this product but rather use this as an example of the hypocrisy and extreme prejudice that exist concerning e-cigs despite compelling evidence of their efficacy and potential future health contributions, not only to former smokers but to society at large i.e. less cigarette related residential and commercial fires, and forest fires, less polution to the environment not only to the air quality but less disposed cigarette butts, and the potential significant decrease in smoking related death and disease. I agree that much more testing (unbiased, if that's at all possible) needs to be done on this technology which would only serve to increase safety and improve quality and efficacy and increase consumer confidence. I believe this is the direction that the FDA should be taking as well as state govts. and the Federal Govt - a reasoned, Harm-Reduction stance with the welfare of people, not entities in mind and with what I believe is a common overall goal - improved health and well being.
 
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