LiFePo4 Battery Voltage

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lunaras

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When I bought my Chuck I went ahead and got some 3.0v LiFePo4 batteries along with my 3.7v 18650 batteries to try HV vaping. While I was waiting for the batteries to arrive I purchased some disposable CR123 batteries to test with. The vapor and throat hit were amazing while still having a strong flavor and not tasting burnt. I got my LiFePo4 batteries yesterday and after charging them overnight I tried them.

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That was the most disgusting burnt, acrid, nauseating, nasty thing I have ever tasted. They were hundreds of times worse that when I tried an analog after switching to vaping, no exaggeration. I immediately switched back to my 3.7v batt to and chain vaped while chugging a bottle of water to clear the flavor.

After recovering, I fired up the trusty multimeter and found that these were registering 3.95v, so with 2 in my Chuck I am pulling 7.9v. I checked the math real quick and at 7.9v with a 2.1 ohm atty, I'm pulling 3.76 amps and the atty is dissipating 29.7 watts! I'll say that again:

29.7 WATTS! 8-o

I'm amazed my 510 atty didn't blow instantly, since at 3.7v they draw about 6 w. Even when the battery is fresh and is charged to about 4.2v that's 8.4w max. It does explain the flavor though.

Is this normal for these LiFePo4 batteries? They are supposed to be 3v. I know they're not regulated and that you always end up with them charged higher than what they are rated, and I charged them in the dedicated LiFePo4 charger that they came packaged with, So I would think that they are charged correctly. I haven't tested them under load, but it seems that the voltage on these would have to be dropping 0.5-1.0v max to get an experience like this.

Is this just because the batteries are new? What are your experiences?
 

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I just double checked the batts and the ones that are charged are now reading 3.5v. I also checked the output on the charger and its charging at 3.5v as well. The charger is labeled as a LiFePo4 charger, so I don't really know what happened now...

I have 20+ of those bats and 2 of those chargers and have never seen them charge beyond 3.3v. Not sure what happened but I'd probably confirm the findings and send them back if they really are overcharging.

The continuous discharge on those bats would not even get close to that suggested by the nominal voltage. Did you find the bats gets really hot during use?
 

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The charger itself is speced to output 3.5v on the charger. As far as heat goes, they never even seemed to get the least bit warm while charging and I only discharged them once, for about 2 seconds before I started hacking and coughing from what came out of my PV, so they didn't have a chance to get even a little warm.

The output on the charger doesn't determine the cutoff. The charger should be cutting off the charge when the batteries hit 3.3 or lower.

If your batteries come off the charger higher than that, your charger is defective.
 

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I was just reading up about it on the intarwebs and it appears that 4.2v is actually in the normal range when fully charge it. 3.5v is the normal cutoff but you can overcharge by up to 0.7v. Also, LiFePo4 is very forgiving for over charging, so even if I do find I need a new charger, it appears the batteries are still safe to use.

After a little while of being off the charger (haven't really found how long) the batteries drop back to 3.4-3.5v and stay there. So at least they're usable, the first couple hits just might be around 6.5-7v without a regulator.

Thanks to everyone for their help!
 

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I was just reading up about it on the intarwebs and it appears that 4.2v is actually in the normal range when fully charge it. 3.5v is the normal cutoff but you can overcharge by up to 0.7v. Also, LiFePo4 is very forgiving for over charging, so even if I do find I need a new charger, it appears the batteries are still safe to use.

After a little while of being off the charger (haven't really found how long) the batteries drop back to 3.4-3.5v and stay there. So at least they're usable, the first couple hits just might be around 6.5-7v without a regulator.

Thanks to everyone for their help!


4.2 is normal for regular Li-Ion, not the LiFePO4 chemistry. LiFePO4 won't explode or catch fire directly but they will get extremely hot. Hot enough to burn (I've done it while modding).

The best case for overcharging will be the rapid destruction of your batteries.
 

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So are these particular LiFePo batteries safe to use with the Chuck? Or was this just some kind one-time anomaly?

From what I've read, this seems to be a one-time thing. But seeing as these are running way overvoltage I can't recommend them yet personally, others indicate they work great (which is why I got them in the first place).

I've contacted BatteryJunction to try and get more info and see if my charger is defective and I'll post the response here
 

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Thank you lunaras for the update! Please let us know if the new charger makes a difference.

BTW, you mentioned that you also had 18650 for the Chuck. Were they also LiFePo4 and did they work as expected? (I don't have any yet, but am looking to buy some 18650 bats and I remember seeing one brand listed as LiFePo4 18650 and am not sure if it is worth it.)
 
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lunaras

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Thank you lunaras for the update! Please let us know if the new charger makes a difference.

BTW, you mentioned that you also had 18650 for the Chuck. Were they also LiFePo4 and did they work as expected? (I don't have any yet, but am looking to buy some 18650 bats and I remember seeing one brand listed as LiFePo4 18650 and am not sure if it is worth it.)

No, the 18650's were standard li-ion bats. I doubt the LiFePo4 18650s would work well, simply because the voltage would ideally be around 3.0v, which would be far too low for normal vaping I would think.
 

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I've tried charging and discharging these bats a couple times and have not had a repeat of the voltages I saw on the first charge, so I'm chalking this up to them being new batteries and this causing issues. I won't be RMAing the charger since it seems to be working fine now. I am using them now after charging and then letting them sit for a few hours for them to settle down to about 3.3-3.4v . This gives a smooth, but stronger vape than the standard 3.7v bat.

Hopefully no one else has problems like this, but I just wanted to let other know, that the batteries settle down after a little while.
 

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Greetings,

I am using the same batteries and charger. Mine normally charge to 3.75v, but I have had them come off the charger as high as 3.95v.

I sent an email to All-Battery asking if this was ok and they responded that it this is an acceptable charge for those batteries.

Regards
Jim

Postscript: I do let them sit for awhile after being charged and they do drop down to 3.45v or so by the time I am ready to use them.
 
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