alien Traveler" data-source="post: 13938958" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch">alien Traveler said:
There's been a lot of research, just not research specific to long-term effects.
Liquid In Lungs?
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There's been a lot of research, just not research specific to long-term effects.
No Hot Showers
No Sauna
No Walking in the Rain
No walking along the beach on a breezy day
* For Goodness Sake DO NOT RUN ANY HUMIDIFIERS!!!!
Seriously? Your Acquaintance simply needs justification to keep smoking. Sad Actually.
And if she lives somewhere with high humidity she better move and never go to such places, and she should never cook or boil liquids, and make sure all the food she eats and everything she drinks is steam free.
I think what you will Find is that the Long Term Effects of inhaling PG and VG have been Studied. But Not on the Frequency or Dosages that are seen with the Average e-Cigarette User.
And Nicotine, well, that gets down to Who you Believe?
What the Real Wild Card in the deck is the Flavorings, Colorants and Sweeteners. And the Chemical Interactions when 4 or 5 Flavorings is Combined with an Artificial Sweetener.
Are e-liquids 100% Safe. I Don't Think so. Are the "Safer" than Smoking Tobaccos? I believe they are.
It was just a statement, I have no bias either way. I'm one of the few whose reasons for switching had nothing to do with my health. (Although I am of the opinion that it is better, even long term.)
Regarding those studies about PG & VG, I honestly don't think they have any bearing on vaping. As you said, the amounts are so far different, I just don't think it's applicable. I would relate it to a study on the safety of working at a gas station with ill maintained equipment to the effects of 'huffing' gasoline. Sure you can see what above-level exposure to the fumes might do, but it's just not even close to the effects of intentional misuse. Again, not saying it's good, bad or otherwise, just the first comparison that I could think of that translated somewhat well.
I definitely agree with the flavorings, etc. They're meant to be consumed & were never designed to be inhaled. Does that make them bad or dangerous? Not a clue. Diacetyl is perfectly safe to consume. If you drink craft beer, you've probably drank more of it than you can imagine - it's acceptable in some styles & there's a lot of crappy breweries around that can't manage their fermentation to eliminate it when it's not acceptable. That's why "popcorn-lung" was such a surprise. Diacetyl was considered safe for consumption, even in elevated levels, with no thought on the effects of inhaling massive amounts.
ETA: Liquid in the lungs is a completely different story. Very dangerous. That's why the populations of Florida & Louisiana perished many decades ago. People claiming to be posting from the SouthEast are just a part of a government conspiracy. :tinfoilhat:
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Yeah... The Issue of Water in the Lungs is Very Serious.
I do find it a Concern. And it Makes Perfect Sense. Seeing that Both PG and VG tend to Dehydrate parts of the Body that they come into Contact with. Links the Mouth. Or the Nasal Cavity (if you blow Vapor out your Nose).
I Wonder if there is a Condition known as Dry Lung?
I heard that the FDA is Thinking of Banning Dihydrogen Monoxide in Food and Drink products.
I heard that the FDA is Thinking of Banning Dihydrogen Monoxide in Food and Drink products.
It's an incredibly dangerous chemical. I've heard that inhaling small amounts of it can lead to death.
I heard that the FDA is Thinking of Banning Dihydrogen Monoxide in Food and Drink products.
Baahhaaahahaha!
I think the science nerds(I am one too) are my favorite part of this forum.
Baahhaaahahaha!
I think the science nerds(I am one too) are my favorite part of this forum.
Huffington Post would be proud.
yup it is.... it becomes dangerous below 31 degrees, it can even crack rocks... its a wicked solvent for most organic materials....
on a more serious note..... if vaping caused fluid build up in your lungs, your body would react violently to its presence... have you ever inhaled a fluid when drinking something???
No worries, there is a lot of misinformation floating around. The problem with vaping is there is a steep learning curve starting off. Well, that and everybody is trying to tax, ban or uber regulate it because it actually works and wont kill you in the process (unless you do something really stupid). The water in the lungs thing pops up regularly. Far better to ask than let it nag away at you. Happy vaping.
Sheesh, I really could have done without knowing about dihydrogen monoxide on top of everything else.
Propylene glycol has been used for decades as the major carrier in asthma inhalers and nebulizers bizarrely enough. That line alone should be enough to shut a smoker up If not then mention that you should never go in a sauna in case you get dry land drowning!
If not then mention that you should never go in a sauna in case you get dry land drowning!
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