Liquid Nicotine/DIY Juice

[Cheina]

Hi Vapers
Wanting to purchase liquid nicotine to import to Australia, strong.

What is the cheapest vendor please, wanting enough to last minimum 6 months.

Newbie who doesn't understand pg/vg. Want it to be economical on juice, not bothered by vapour size (have air flow off?) but I struggle to taste (learnt about vapour tongue & stooping).

Would eventually like to DIY, good sites for dummies pls & cheapest vendor for kits (if needed) & flavours.

Trying to avoid tobacco (smell) & sweet (makes me hungry), any alternative strong flavour suggestions very welcome.

Sorry for length.
Thanks Suz

 

[bombastinator]

If you want cheap and industrial quantities you want alibaba.com. The problem is small quantities of nicotine base isnt that cheap. I usually buy 1 liters, which last me over a year as a heavy vaper. It's hard to know what you are trying to do here. Australia has some odd and fairly oppressive vaping laws, so it's possible it would get seized. I don't know. The more concentrated nicotine base is the more dangerous it is to work with. Pure liquid nicotine is deadly in small doses. Generally its not sold in molarities that strong though. 100mg/ml. is about the strongest you will see in the US. If you want to buy retail quantities vapecrawler.com will likely give you several options.

As for PG/vg its proplyne glycol and vegtable glycerin. Both should be available locally.

 

[Katya]

Hi, Suz and welcome. I'm not sure who ships to Australia nowadays and what the cost of shipping might be, but maybe you'll find more information in our Australia-New Zealand subforum.

Australia - New Zealand Forum

Hey all you Aussies out there, Juice Factory have now started to stock the full range of Mollinberry concentrates. Juice Concentrates - Molinberry - Page 1 - Juice Factory Tom is a great mate of mine and will bend over backwards to help you. The Mollinberry Ry4 concentrate is as good as it gets and very close to the origional RY4 as you can come. I love it.

I used to buy Mollinberry direct from Poland but the freight prices were a corker, I live only 13km from Hobart CBD and yet the Polish dudes wanted to charge me out of area delivery charges for DHL ffs. I never had that problem with HiLiq. Also if you want good Nic Base I have found Mixology Buy E Liquid Online - Vape Juice with Nicotine and in Fruit Flavours real nice and smooth and the price is great and so is the delivery costs $15AUD flat rate and it gets to me in Tas in about a week. Yes they can some how get it into Qld now so I hear but not been confirmed.

These by far apart from U4EA are by far my favourites. U4EA Flavour concentrates - Aussie eCigs | Aussie eCigs Their VG and PG is also the best I have had the pleasure to vape. Bret and Faye who run this show are also great dudes and you can even talk to them on the phone. This is great if you get into a bit of bother.

 

[stols001]

I'm going to suggest (once you get your nic) checking out the DIY Juice forum it's a subforum above this one, tons of helpful links, calculators, recipes and just general goodness as far as helpful folks willing to assist you with your first mixes.

I agree with the suggestion of checking out the Aus forum and seeing if you can get some assistance there as far as nicotine.

Anna

 

[Cheina]

Thanks everyone, found the sub forums!

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Setting aside the import/sales/possession regs in OZ for a moment, I have a couple of quibbles...

If you want cheap and industrial quantities you want alibaba.com. (*1) The problem is small quantities of nicotine base isnt that cheap. I usually buy 1 liters, which last me over a year as a heavy vaper. It's hard to know what you are trying to do here. Australia has some odd and fairly oppressive vaping laws, so it's possible it would get seized. I don't know. The more concentrated nicotine base is the more dangerous it is to work with. Pure liquid nicotine is deadly in small doses. (*2) Generally its not sold in molarities that strong though. 100mg/ml. is about the strongest you will see in the US. If you want to buy retail quantities vapecrawler.com will likely give you several options.

As for PG/vg its proplyne glycol and vegtable glycerin. Both should be available locally.

1 - Consumption totals aside... I'm thinking the nic is arguably the least expensive component of our DIY.
At ~10ml of ~6mg a day, a 250ml of 100mg nic lasts me about a year... and cost between $15 and $25 US. I haven't run the numbers on PG, VG and flavors, but c'mon... that's cheap.

2 - While increased strength requires more care in handling, 100mg is the norm (in the US) but I'm working through a large quantity of 200mg (the strongest we're allowed to discuss here) and could just as easily ordered any 100mg multiple I wanted.
Lack of better ventilation is really the main reason I went with 200mg and not just a tad higher.

It gets proportionally less expensive, and takes up less storage space as well.

/derail

 

[Marc411]

This has got some decent links to information on DIY. It opens as a PDF.

Some of it is specific to US and UK but there is a bunch of good information that was farmed from ECF.

 

[bombastinator]

Setting aside the import/sales/possession regs in OZ for a moment, I have a couple of quibbles...



1 - Consumption totals aside... I'm thinking the nic is arguably the least expensive component of our DIY.
At ~10ml of ~6mg a day, a 250ml of 100mg nic lasts me about a year... and cost between $15 and $25 US. I haven't run the numbers on PG, VG and flavors, but c'mon... that's cheap.

2 - While increased strength requires more care in handling, 100mg is the norm (in the US) but I'm working through a large quantity of 200mg (the strongest we're allowed to discuss here) and could just as easily ordered any 100mg multiple I wanted.
Lack of better ventilation is really the main reason I went with 200mg and not just a tad higher.

It gets proportionally less expensive, and takes up less storage space as well.

/derail

You are getting nic significantly cheaper than I am. It may have gone down in price of course. My understanding is pure nicotine used to be used as an elephant tranquilizer. 3 drops of pure nicotine on your skin can kill.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

You are getting nic significantly cheaper than I am. It may have gone down in price of course. My understanding is pure nicotine used to be used as an elephant tranquilizer. 3 drops of pure nicotine on your skin can kill.

I gave a range of prices from a search I did while composing the post... they were in line with what I remembered from when last ordered... ~14 months ago.

Elephant tranq? Never heard that one (pretty much just the now all but unused herbicide/pesticide use).

Let's see... three drops of pure would contain right around 60 mg of nic.
I'd damn sure not put it in my mouth, and I'd damn sure want to wash it off my skin right away... that's right about the LD50 dose for an average sized (healthy) adult.

Might not kill with just brief skin contact... but yes it could.
Pretty certain it would ruin the rest of your day though.

 

[bombastinator]

I gave a range of prices from a search I did while composing the post... they were in line with what I remembered from when last ordered... ~14 months ago.

Elephant tranq? Never heard that one (pretty much just the now all but unused herbicide/pesticide use).

Let's see... three drops of pure would contain right around 60 mg of nic.
I'd damn sure not put it in my mouth, and I'd damn sure want to wash it off my skin right away... that's right about the LD50 dose for an average sized (healthy) adult.

Might not kill with just brief skin contact... but yes it could.
Pretty certain it would ruin the rest of your day though.

Might not have time to wash it off your skin. The purer nicotine is the faster it soaks through your skin. That’s how galaxo smith Kline worked their time release system with the patch.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Might not have time to wash it off your skin. The purer nicotine is the faster it soaks through your skin. That’s how galaxo smith Kline worked their time release system with the patch.

Makes sense.

I have no need, or desire, to work with higher than my current 200mg.
But one thing for sure... I wouldn't be near (or in a enclosed space with) an open container of pure without serious PPE on (even the jump in fumes with 200 is noticeable).

But then... I'm really just a big girl's blouse at heart.

(Bungi, skydive, cornice jump... sure. Play about with toxins... I'll pass. )