List of MFG's of VV devices

[Fusoya]

I am protecting Myself , my employees and my company , I have 5 emp. they work in the USA , they pay taxes , they are employed and are not draining the system so what is wrong with that ???

Nothing at all really.

How would this affect other manufacturer's of PVs/e-cigs though. For instance - I've looked at both the Buzz and Infinity and think they sleek, bad-... products and I would like to own one eventually.

For right now I own a Darwin and I'm in love with it. Would your patent bar products like the one I already own or cause any hurdles for new innovators?

I think it's one thing to patent your own design/circuitry but another thing to try and blanket the entire market just because your device can change the voltage.

I'm truly curious - not trying to flame. Also, it's a free market I suppose so you're more than welcome to do whatever you work. At the end of the day I'm just glad to be vaping as opposed to smoking and to have found something that works for me.

Brandon

 

[BuzzKill]

Nothing at all really.

How would this affect other manufacturer's of PVs/e-cigs though. For instance - I've looked at both the Buzz and Infinity and think they sleek, bad-... products and I would like to own one eventually.

For right now I own a Darwin and I'm in love with it. Would your patent bar products like the one I already own or cause any hurdles for new innovators?

I think it's one thing to patent your own design/circuitry but another thing to try and blanket the entire market just because your device can change the voltage.

I'm truly curious - not trying to flame. Also, it's a free market I suppose so you're more than welcome to do whatever you work. At the end of the day I'm just glad to be vaping as opposed to smoking and to have found something that works for me.

Brandon

Brandon we are not looking to put other companies out of business , actually just the opposite.

We will provide a small licencing fee per unit , this is a very common business practice , this forum Licences the software from the company that wrote it !

I am glad to hear that you have quit smoking , I did the same and that is why I got into this business.

 

[Bebbo]

Hello, just curiosity, even because I know a few about US patents.

You say you will provide a licencing fee to other companies, but could you even not give any chance to build vv to other companies if you wanted?

Can you sell your patent to third parties? In that case the buyer could decide to not give any chance to other companies to craft vv too?

 

[Zen~]

Would your patent bar products like the one I already own or cause any hurdles for new innovators?

Brandon, that is a GREAT question, and it needs to be answered, and I will do that, having a pretty in depth working knowledge of the implications of this question.

A Patent does not bar products from being developed. It enables continuing development. A Patent holder has a few options when the patent is granted:

Option one... close the door on the competition: By closing the door on the competition the patent holder reserves the right to deny ANYBODY the right to produce the product other than the patent holder. If the Patent holder is a huge company with the ability to produce enough product to fully satisfy the market, they may choose to go down this path. This is generally reserved for REALLY big companies or REALLY stupid small companies...

Option two... License the technology to the marketplace This is the smart move... for a licensing fee, a manufacturer can manufacture a product that contains the core patentable content. The size of this fee is often a percentage of sales, but occasionally it is a fixed fee per unit produced. In either case, there is a negotiation that determines the fee and it makes no sense to charge a fee that cripples or limits the growth of the licensee... this is good business! MANY products you own contain patented technology that has been outlicensed, and it is invisible to you.

Option three... Sell the patent, or the company including the intellectual property: If this happens the new patent holder assumes the right to all three options.

 

[BuzzKill]

THanks for clearing that up ZEN~

Bebbo read his post it has the answer to your ?

 

[Bebbo]

well yes thank you both

(still open the second question but Im pretty sure you can sell the patent)

 

[JollyRogers]

I don't own a Buzz, Buzz, but I sorta respect the way you are going about this... in a way. At least you are open to discussion, that is a plus. Others have not gone about it so, hence I no longer own or will ever buy their product(s). I own a few VV PV's and they use different means to achieve VV. One uses 2 batts to get to 8.4v and resistance to step it down, it also has a touch sensor for a switch and a tank. The other uses a boost circuit, plus it does a lot more, so is a great improvement IMO over other VV PVs (so could have its own patent I believe). Regardless, if your patent gets approved you intend to get licensing fees for using the idea. Unlike another who sent out C&D letters. Have fun At least you have more business sense.

PS: I believe Super-T has a VV box on the drawing board...

 

[Zen~]

I edited and added option three... sell the patent or company and IP

 

[Bebbo]

Ok I'm going around the point. My real curiosity is this (really no flame or anything else, just thinking loud and curious about your opinion, maybe I read too many spies books hehe)

Mr Philip comes to you and makes you and your 5 employee laugh. You sell him the patent, he stops any vv production and working on other borning patents blocks the US production (and imports as well right?). Is that viable?

 

[Bebbo]

I edited and added option three... sell the patent or company and IP

thank you Zen

 

[AlmightyGod]

Ok I'm going around the point. My real curiosity is this (really no flame or anything else, just thinking loud and curious about your opinion, maybe I read too many spies books hehe)

Mr Philip comes to you and makes you and your 5 employee laugh. You sell him the patent, he stops any vv production and working on other borning patents blocks the US production (and imports as well right?). Is that viable?

Why not?
Once the patent is obtained, it could easily be sold to Big Tobacco.

 

[Landlord]

Why not?
Once the patent is obtained, it could easily be sold to Big Tobacco.

They want their money!!. With everyone quitting analogs, they have no choice but to join in the vapers market.

 

[Zen~]

Why not?
Once the patent is obtained, it could easily be sold to Big Tobacco.

Here's why not... For the purpose of this discussion, Big Tobacco is not real... there are SEVERAL big companies that comprise Big Tobacco as a whole, and a few smaller ones for good measure. They will ALL want this technology, provided it is the current state of the industry technology at that time... they will ALL pay the license fee... it makes no sense to sell when there can be income in perpetuity through licensing.

BTW, if they give him a billion US dollars... he sells... lol

 

[AlmightyGod]

BTW, if the give him a billion US dollars... he sells... lol

That's the way it works.
Big Tobacco runs you down with legal fees....or....take this billion dollar check. If it was my patent, I'd take half a billion.

 

[Zen~]

That's the way it works.
Big Tobacco runs you down with legal fees....or....take this billion dollar check. If it was my patent, I'd take half a billion.

Yep me too... with that kind of money I can afford hot chicks to smoke in front of me, instead of vaping... second hand smoke is better anyway... and I won't worry about my lungs, I'll have three spares on ice in the walk-in cryo-chamber next to Walt Disney

 

[AlmightyGod]

Yep me too... with that kind of money I can afford hot chicks to smoke in front of me, instead of vaping... second hand smoke is better anyway... and I won't worry about my lungs, I'll have three spares on ice in the walk-in cryo-chamber next to Walt Disney

And that's why I'm having trouble with the Gomer Pyle, aww shucks, I'm just trying to protect my business line. There is a big payday waiting for whoever pulls this off first.

I was born at night, but not last night.

 

[Bebbo]

Good night guys, will read you tomorrow

PS Zen I've been in Rochester a few years ago, had a nice walk along the lake. Had some dear friends in your town. Night

 

[Bovinia]

And that's why I'm having trouble with the Gomer Pyle, aww shucks, I'm just trying to protect my business line. There is a big payday waiting for whoever pulls this off first.

I was born at night, but not last night.

AG, how would you like to see this industry progress? And how would you like to see ideas and inventions protected?

 

[hairball]

LOL....add yourself to the list Buzzkill....I think you forgot notcigs!!!

 

[GMoney]

Here's why not... For the purpose of this discussion, Big Tobacco is not real... there are SEVERAL big companies that comprise Big Tobacco as a whole, and a few smaller ones for good measure. They will ALL want this technology, provided it is the current state of the industry technology at that time... they will ALL pay the license fee... it makes no sense to sell when there can be income in perpetuity through licensing.

BTW, if they give him a billion US dollars... he sells... lol

To be honest, I don't think Big T would really care about VV tech. I think they would be far more interested in selling a product like "BLU" but with their brand name on it and high priced low-nic un-refillable cartomizers. They would just want people to buy a pack of their cigarettes or buy a pack of their cartomizers and I don't think they would really care which.