List of MFG's of VV devices

[AlmightyGod]

AG, how would you like to see this industry progress? And how would you like to see ideas and inventions protected?

I'm not claiming to have the answer on how this industry should develop. Protecting a specifically manufactured device is one thing, trying to patent variable voltage technology is another. Other countries don't respect our patent laws or respect our court decisions anyway.

 

[Zen~]

And that's why I'm having trouble with the Gomer Pyle, aww shucks, I'm just trying to protect my business line. There is a big payday waiting for whoever pulls this off first.

Is that the way you see it?

Here's what I see... Mike is not Gomer Pyle, nor have I ever seen him act even remotely like a back-woods hick... he's a scientist and engineer with a serious pedigree including (but not limited to) his work at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory...

ShaZAMMMM shZAMMMM ShaZAMMM... He's an actual business man... imagine that!

Is there a big payday? Yep... probably so... IF this technology manages to remain the incumbent technology when it's time for Big tobacco to make their play. There is quite a bit of risk here, because the market is LOADED with engineers that are "nearly" in the market with technology for eCigs that we have not even thought about here in this forum... If any ONE of these new emerging technologies gets a bite into the market and THEY become the incumbent tech, then "Gomer" misses his big payday, and he's out the coin he spent getting a patent, which by my calculation is probably TWICE what he's earned selling his VV PVs to date, in terms of profit...

It's easy to take pot-shots at folks with ambition. The world is FILLED with people that sit back and wallow in the filth of status quo, at least "Gomer" had the gumption to do something like this, and if that payday comes, I won't see what you see... I'll see a guy that never took his eye off the prize, not for one second...

He's protecting his investment, and he's MAYBE going to benefit from this move... it's far from a done deal... in the mean time, hows about we respect people in this country that create instead of being the guy with the comments aimed at thinking he's up to no good?

 

[MXBNW]

To be honest, I don't think Big T would really care about VV tech. I think they would be far more interested in selling a product like "BLU" but with their brand name on it and high priced low-nic un-refillable cartomizers. They would just want people to buy a pack of their cigarettes or buy a pack of their cartomizers and I don't think they would really care which.

GMoney I think your 100% right they would have taken the patten and stashed it away so no one could use it.

They would spend millions on marketing a cheep battery that need replacing every month and a cheep prefilled carto to get more mileage and $ out of E-Cig users.

This is going to happen sooner or latter. I already see a cheep under $25.00 set up in our local 7-11 and now that the FDA has the Ecig's classed under a Tobacco product the flood gates are open.

Just my 2c

 

[AlmightyGod]

I'm not against anyone making money. Mike's posts portray a much more innocent tone. We both know the ultimate objective is: making money. The people on this forum see higher PV prices because someone wants a chunk of the pie from the guy who we are buying our PV from. There aren't any of these guys getting rich at this point, not just Mike. Like I said, a patent on a device is one thing, a patent on variable voltage technology is something else. There are different ways to get to the same place & one guy shouldn't own all of them with one patent.

 

[MXBNW]

I'm not against anyone making money. Mike's posts portray a much more innocent tone. We both know the ultimate objective is: making money. The people on this forum see higher PV prices because someone wants a chunk of the pie from the guy who we are buying our PV from. There aren't any of these guys getting rich at this point, not just Mike. Like I said, a patent on a device is one thing, a patent on variable voltage technology is something else. There are different ways to get to the same place & one guy shouldn't own all of them with one patent.

Why not. Just asking

 

[AlmightyGod]

Why not. Just asking

It's called a monopoly.

 

[Zen~]

I'm not against anyone making money. Mike's posts portray a much more innocent tone. We both know the ultimate objective is: making money. The people on this forum see higher PV prices because someone wants a chunk of the pie from the guy who we are buying our PV from. There aren't any of these guys getting rich at this point, not just Mike. Like I said, a patent on a device is one thing, a patent on variable voltage technology is something else. There are different ways to get to the same place & one guy shouldn't own all of them with one patent.

Absolute ignorance is at play here... in this world, the patent is on the technology as it applies to a given device or group of devices... that's the way the system works... not just here... EVERYWHERE...

If I develop a coating for a rotor blade on a helicopter, it applies to ALL helicopters...

If I develop a non destructive testing method for use on airplane wings... it applies to ALL airplane wings...

Thus... if I develop a technology for using variable voltage in a PV... it applies to ALL PVs...

You may not understand it... but that doesn't make it WRONG!

 

[MXBNW]

It's called a monopoly.

I would think the patent lawyer would have advised Mike that he was filling an illegal patent if that was the case.

But I do see you concern

 

[Zen~]

It's called a monopoly.

Wrong again, honey...

A Monopoly would indicate that he would have control over ALL PVs... not just the VV ones... There's nothing wrong with owning or controlling a segment of the market, that implies there are others in the market!

They broke up Bell telephone because they controlled ALL telephone communcations in this country at the time, plus they were a major telephone manufacturer as well... THAT was a monopoly

 

[Zen~]

OK, I'm backing away from this, because everytime I get involved in discussions like this I get forced down to the lowest level of intellect then I get beat by the guys with more experience operating in that realm...

 

[Rosco]

I just love to see the real "colors" appearing here. Quite interesting for a simple question.

 

[hairball]

You all need to see this thread that I found just now:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/185074-vv-ggts.html

Buzzkill is getting slammed on here.

 

[GMoney]

You all need to see this thread that I found just now:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/gg/185074-vv-ggts.html

Buzzkill is getting slammed on here.

Thanks - but the people posting in that thread simply haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about.

 

[BuzzKill]

Well you KNEW that this was coming at least I did , not a big deal IMO ,

BTW Imeo if you import products that violate the patent WHEN it issues they can be seized by Customs if a complaint is filed. Customs seizes Chinese knock offs all the time ! !


The biggest problem here is the lack of knowledge of the Patenting system , I do not expect everybody to understand it , it is complicated and can be very difficult to Get.

 

[Rosco]

Thanks - but the people posting in that thread simply haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about.

Sure is good for a chuckle tho.

 

[Bovinia]

Sure is good for a chuckle tho.

Indeed

I won't be disrespectful enough to go to another vendor's forum and argue tho. To me it's the same as going to someone else's house and starting crap. This too shall pass!

 

[Rosco]

Indeed

I won't be disrespectful enough to go to another vendor's forum and argue tho. To me it's the same as going to someone else's house and starting crap. This too shall pass!

Well...all can see who stepped up and showed their expert knowledge. I love a good laugh now and then. More now.

 

[Poppa D]

There's so much stuff to read today! All that eye strain makes me feel burnt out.
Mike,
Nice job handling the flack. Some heavy intellectuals gave you plenty.
Keep it up.

 

[BuzzKill]

THanks Guys , Hey I KNEW I would get some crap for this and was prepared to deal with it , In fact I WANTED IT , I want this to be OUT FRONT so that the copiers know that the free ride is OVER> .

 

[Zen~]

The ignorance of how patents work... It just amazes me how something that is at the cornerstone of commerce in the world can be so misunderstood... And how ANGRY people get when an inventor asserts his rights!

Look, we live in a world where people steal intellectual property at the speed of light... Kids that are growing up feeling it's their god given right to steal music, software, ideas... You name it... If it's not tied down, it's up for grabs!

I'm truly embarrassed for those that feel Mike is doing something wrong. I have genuine concern for the future when kids steal what they can, and seasoned adults look selfishly down on guys like Mike, damn near condemning him for making a living in a legal and ethical way.

The only word I can use to describe this feeling is shame... I am ashamed of those that speak out against this really important moment in the evolution of Mikes company.